CALLING OUT KENT STATE UNI --- PHD Dietitian Says ALL Supplements DONT work

[user98511001541]

So as some of you may or may not know, I've been working on a supplement book for the last 4 months. The book/site is 80% done, and we are looking into finalizing extras that come with the book, as in a DVD lecture/seminar and other electronic goodies.


Anyways, my buddy Mike and I are trying to rent the KIVA on the Kent campus, it is a nice auditorium that seats about 150 people. We want to hold a FREE lecture seminar on the safe and effective supplementation for people who want to change their physique. We would set up two or three camcorders to record the event so we could put it on our DVD. The book would be sold, but that would be 100% optional, the seminar is free.

So we go around campus, asking different faculty about booking the KIVA, and we are told that for a one-hour booking, it is $350 !!! We tell them this is a free seminar; presented BY students FOR students. They say that not only does the booking cost $350, but you must pay $15 an hour for an operator and they charge $20 for the use of a microphone. So obviously this is not going to work, so we go to the sports nutrition office and ask to speak to the lady in charge there, maybe she can help us out when she sees what a valuable service we will be offering to the students.

This lady is overweight, not in shape by any means, and is a dietitian with her PHD hanging proudly on the wall. This was the most awkward conversation of my life! She blatantly states that, except for creatine, all sports supplements are completely worthless and that she does not want us presenting anywhere on campus because these types of supplements are forbidden to kent athletes. (SIDENOTE: no wonder kent state football team is garbage) She refuses to hear out anything we have to say, and the conversation is over.

We are both kent state students (well i am alum but approved for grad school so still considered a student) and noone at kent was any help at all. Basically noone wanted to talk to us, kept referring us to other people who were equally rude and unhelpful. We were able to get a booking 2miles OFF CAMPUS at the kent city public library, who was more than happy to have us present, FREE OF CHARGE.

ughhhhhhhhhhhhh

I'm going to be printing out some articles on unsafe supplement usage, as well as a ton of pubmed astracts that show supplementation (for various compounds, creatine, beta alanine, protein powder, omega 3, etc... even specific supplement clinical trials such as novedex xt) and perhaps try one last time to persuade the lady there. Any help, if you guys have any pubmed links bookmarked, would be awesome


CLIFFS:
want to give free seminar on safe and effective supplementation
find out it costs a ridiculous price
talk to head lady in nutrition building, a licensed dietitian, and she is 100% against supplements
kent state is a joke

yes

[chasinSKURT]

People like that irritate the **** out of me (stubborn people).

[Illadelphia]

She couldn't not let you do it if she was dead....just sayin

[TheUnderdog]

nice microcosm of everything wrong with this country now days

[RippedFibers]

could you post or PM me the addy and time you guys are planning on doing the seminar?

[Yates Row T]

She couldn't not let you do it if she was dead....just sayin

this. I hate people that form there opinions not knowing anything.

[user98511001541]

People like that irritate the **** out of me (stubborn people).

yeah pretty much, plus the whole 'she is fat but a dietician' thing just pisses me off so bad

She couldn't not let you do it if she was dead....just sayin

i need to borrow a shovel

nice microcosm of everything wrong with this country now days

pretty much

bureaucracy at its finest

could you post or PM me the addy and time you guys are planning on doing the seminar?

yeah, i believe it is may 8th, but let me get back to you on it

heh if u come down, i could have u work the camera for the some cash

[bloodsimple1234]

mine is the same way,told me I probably don't even need 90 grams of protein a day when I showed her what I eat.

my bio professor teaches nutrition and is a doc and knows a TON more on nutrition then her.

very cookie cutter like.

[_J-BONE_]

Your undergrad money at work.....


There's a library on a community college campus by my house that actually has a professional boardroom recreated. It's got the wooden tables, projection screen, leather chairs. All available free of charge.

[svmoney6]

i agree, kent state is a joke...



<<<<<CSU grad


seriously though that's whack

[ZimZim]

Trying to do some good and the man (or fat lady in this case) shuts you down.. People these days..

[AdamB.]

You should have told her to while looking in the mirror read the definition of irony while in the other hand she hold her PhD.

This fall take out a 4 page Gaspari Ad in the Kent State Football program and let everyone know how the football team could get better.

[user98511001541]

i wore a tight'ish shirt that showed off my frame pretty well... just by looking at me she should realize i know what i'm talking about

oh well :/

anybody got some quick/easy links to pubmed they wouldnt mind sharing?

[Beejis60]

talk to head lady in nutrition building, a licensed dietitian, and she is 100% against supplements

Every nutritionalist/dietician/Ph.D. in nutrition I've ever seen, spoke with, had class with, etc, was all overweight and stupid such as the one you speak of.
The best was in one class, the prof was showing us pics of supplement ads and one pic was a dude with his hands behind his head doing an ab flex type of pose and his lats were slightly flexed. The prof/fat bitch was circling his lats saying "What on earth is that supposed to be? That's not natural" blah blah, photochop, etc. PWNage ensued of me telling her that it IS natural if you're not a fatass and actually workout.

[wada]

Throw some CLA her way....clinical studies proved effective on fat obese women like herself...lol!

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/3/352
Effect of conjugated linoleic acid on body composition and plasma lipids in humans: an overview of the literature1,2

Antonius HM Terpstra
1 From the Department of Laboratory Animal Science, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Utrecht University, Utrecht, Netherlands.

Studies in mice have indicated that feeding diets containing 0.5-1% conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) considerably reduces body fat. These findings have attracted much interest because of the potential use of CLA as a tool to promote weight loss in humans. Several CLA studies in humans have now been published, and the objective of the present review was to give an overview of these experiments. Most of the studies were done in free-living subjects and were not strictly controlled for nutrient and energy intakes. None of the studies found a significant reduction in body weight, and only 2 studies showed a significant but relatively small body fat-lowering effect. Some studies suggested that CLA may have a tendency to increase lean body mass. Furthermore, there are indications from animal studies that CLA may have effects on plasma lipids. However, only one study in humans showed a significant HDL-cholesterol-lowering effect of CLA; in all the other studies, there were no significant effects on plasma total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations or on plasma triacylglycerol concentrations. Thus, the results of the studies in humans indicate that the effect of CLA on body fat is considerably less than that anticipated from mice studies and that CLA has no major effect on plasma lipids.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/137/5/1188
In conclusion, we found that supplementation with 6.4 g/d CLA for 12 wk increases LBM in healthy obese humans, but has no significant effect on body fat mass, weight, BMI, REE, or RQ. Increases in C-reactive protein and IL-6 in the 6.4 g/d CLA group suggest that the higher dose may increase markers of inflammation in healthy obese humans. CLA is widely used in commercial supplements as well as being present in the diet, thus, these results need to be confirmed by future studies using varying doses of CLA over longer periods of time and in different patient populations.

http://www.pjbs.org/pjnonline/fin949.pdf
Significant decreases were found in body weight, BMI, waist and hip circumferences (p<0.05) after CLA supplementation. Conjugated linoleic acid had no effect on BMR, waist/hip ratio, fat content (%), LBM (%) (Table
1). Conjugated linoleic acid reduced TG, TC, LDL, VLDL (p<0.05) and leptin levels (p<0.01). Serum glucose level
decreased but remained within normal range while insulin levels of subjects increased (p<0.01). Slight but
not significant increases were found in plasma ghrelin and serum HDL levels (Table 2).

So..unless you are a fat woman...CLA doesn't seem to help w/ fat loss...however, if your goal is to put on LBM, there might be some hope in that aspect.

[BiGToMCaT28]

yeah pretty much, plus the whole 'she is fat but a dietician' thing just pisses me off so bad



i need to borrow a shovel



pretty much

bureaucracy at its finest



yeah, i believe it is may 8th, but let me get back to you on it

heh if u come down, i could have u work the camera for the some cash

My girlfriend goes to Kent I'd be interested in checkin it out

[40-Yard Dash_2]

i wore a tight'ish shirt that showed off my frame pretty well... just by looking at me she should realize i know what i'm talking about

oh well :/

anybody got some quick/easy links to pubmed they wouldnt mind sharing?

You sure when she discounted "supplements" working, that she was referring to vitamins, minerals, EFA's, antioxidants?

I find it fuking hard to believe she would discredit those when they are used in clinical settings for various diseased states.

[Beejis60]

My girlfriend goes to Kent I'd be interested in checkin it out

I remember a really hot girl in one of your pics or something awhile ago. Is that her that goes to Kent? I'll probably be in the Kent area tomorrow night.


Just sayin.....

[RippedFibers]

yeah, i believe it is may 8th, but let me get back to you on it

heh if u come down, i could have u work the camera for the some cash

Ok, sweet. And I would do the camera for free.

[40-Yard Dash_2]

Throw some CLA her way....clinical studies proved effective on fat obese women like herself...lol!

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/3/352
Effect of conjugated linoleic acid on body composition and plasma lipids in humans: an overview of the literature1,2

Antonius HM Terpstra
1 From the Department of Laboratory Animal Science, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Utrecht University, Utrecht, Netherlands.

Studies in mice have indicated that feeding diets containing 0.5-1% conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) considerably reduces body fat. These findings have attracted much interest because of the potential use of CLA as a tool to promote weight loss in humans. Several CLA studies in humans have now been published, and the objective of the present review was to give an overview of these experiments. Most of the studies were done in free-living subjects and were not strictly controlled for nutrient and energy intakes. None of the studies found a significant reduction in body weight, and only 2 studies showed a significant but relatively small body fat-lowering effect. Some studies suggested that CLA may have a tendency to increase lean body mass. Furthermore, there are indications from animal studies that CLA may have effects on plasma lipids. However, only one study in humans showed a significant HDL-cholesterol-lowering effect of CLA; in all the other studies, there were no significant effects on plasma total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations or on plasma triacylglycerol concentrations. Thus, the results of the studies in humans indicate that the effect of CLA on body fat is considerably less than that anticipated from mice studies and that CLA has no major effect on plasma lipids.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/137/5/1188
In conclusion, we found that supplementation with 6.4 g/d CLA for 12 wk increases LBM in healthy obese humans, but has no significant effect on body fat mass, weight, BMI, REE, or RQ. Increases in C-reactive protein and IL-6 in the 6.4 g/d CLA group suggest that the higher dose may increase markers of inflammation in healthy obese humans. CLA is widely used in commercial supplements as well as being present in the diet, thus, these results need to be confirmed by future studies using varying doses of CLA over longer periods of time and in different patient populations.

http://www.pjbs.org/pjnonline/fin949.pdf
Significant decreases were found in body weight, BMI, waist and hip circumferences (p<0.05) after CLA supplementation. Conjugated linoleic acid had no effect on BMR, waist/hip ratio, fat content (%), LBM (%) (Table
1). Conjugated linoleic acid reduced TG, TC, LDL, VLDL (p<0.05) and leptin levels (p<0.01). Serum glucose level
decreased but remained within normal range while insulin levels of subjects increased (p<0.01). Slight but
not significant increases were found in plasma ghrelin and serum HDL levels (Table 2).

So..unless you are a fat woman...CLA doesn't seem to help w/ fat loss...however, if your goal is to put on LBM, there might be some hope in that aspect.

You are advocating CLA supplementation with these studies?

[PaintPir]

People that make huge blanket statements like that are just ignorant

[BiGToMCaT28]

I remember a really hot girl in one of your pics or something awhile ago. Is that her that goes to Kent? I'll probably be in the Kent area tomorrow night.


Just sayin.....

Haha nah, this is a different one.
The old one was a little crazy, lookin for a stalker?

[Beejis60]

Haha nah, this is a different one.
The old one was a little crazy, lookin for a stalker?

Lol, I apparently already have a few....

[MattyH7688]

I was suppose to visit a girl down there before she comes home for summer.. maybe i will make a visit during ur presentation

[SHOWTIME]

Most supps are ****

[cal62887]

That sucks. I can swipe into any theatre on SJU's campus and watch a movie if I wanted to.

Last year I used to take my residents to one of the three stadium-seat lecture halls and watch DVDs on Thursday nights. The microphone was constantly hooked up so, I never had to pay anyone, and nobody EVER cared or asked questions.

[Outside backer]

check neg kent state

[Bignbuff]

I had a teacher who did that in my freshman year.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=588811

Sorry to hear of the struggles for your initiative.

[cbad7676]

i has a shovel, some duct tape and some ky jelly.... just saying.

[user98511001541]

Every nutritionalist/dietician/Ph.D. in nutrition I've ever seen, spoke with, had class with, etc, was all overweight and stupid such as the one you speak of.
The best was in one class, the prof was showing us pics of supplement ads and one pic was a dude with his hands behind his head doing an ab flex type of pose and his lats were slightly flexed. The prof/fat bitch was circling his lats saying "What on earth is that supposed to be? That's not natural" blah blah, photochop, etc. PWNage ensued of me telling her that it IS natural if you're not a fatass and actually workout.

lol i could see that happening... it is so amazing how ignorant 'educated' people can be!

Throw some CLA her way....clinical studies proved effective on fat obese women like herself...lol!

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/3/352
Effect of conjugated linoleic acid on body composition and plasma lipids in humans: an overview of the literature1,2

Antonius HM Terpstra
1 From the Department of Laboratory Animal Science, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Utrecht University, Utrecht, Netherlands.

Studies in mice have indicated that feeding diets containing 0.5-1% conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) considerably reduces body fat. These findings have attracted much interest because of the potential use of CLA as a tool to promote weight loss in humans. Several CLA studies in humans have now been published, and the objective of the present review was to give an overview of these experiments. Most of the studies were done in free-living subjects and were not strictly controlled for nutrient and energy intakes. None of the studies found a significant reduction in body weight, and only 2 studies showed a significant but relatively small body fat-lowering effect. Some studies suggested that CLA may have a tendency to increase lean body mass. Furthermore, there are indications from animal studies that CLA may have effects on plasma lipids. However, only one study in humans showed a significant HDL-cholesterol-lowering effect of CLA; in all the other studies, there were no significant effects on plasma total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations or on plasma triacylglycerol concentrations. Thus, the results of the studies in humans indicate that the effect of CLA on body fat is considerably less than that anticipated from mice studies and that CLA has no major effect on plasma lipids.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/137/5/1188
In conclusion, we found that supplementation with 6.4 g/d CLA for 12 wk increases LBM in healthy obese humans, but has no significant effect on body fat mass, weight, BMI, REE, or RQ. Increases in C-reactive protein and IL-6 in the 6.4 g/d CLA group suggest that the higher dose may increase markers of inflammation in healthy obese humans. CLA is widely used in commercial supplements as well as being present in the diet, thus, these results need to be confirmed by future studies using varying doses of CLA over longer periods of time and in different patient populations.

http://www.pjbs.org/pjnonline/fin949.pdf
Significant decreases were found in body weight, BMI, waist and hip circumferences (p<0.05) after CLA supplementation. Conjugated linoleic acid had no effect on BMR, waist/hip ratio, fat content (%), LBM (%) (Table
1). Conjugated linoleic acid reduced TG, TC, LDL, VLDL (p<0.05) and leptin levels (p<0.01). Serum glucose level
decreased but remained within normal range while insulin levels of subjects increased (p<0.01). Slight but
not significant increases were found in plasma ghrelin and serum HDL levels (Table 2).

So..unless you are a fat woman...CLA doesn't seem to help w/ fat loss...however, if your goal is to put on LBM, there might be some hope in that aspect.

very interesting

My girlfriend goes to Kent I'd be interested in checkin it out

i'll let u guys all know when the date/time is set

You sure when she discounted "supplements" working, that she was referring to vitamins, minerals, EFA's, antioxidants?

I find it fuking hard to believe she would discredit those when they are used in clinical settings for various diseased states.

we said we wanted to focus on the basics, protein/creatine/multi/omega-3 and possibly beta alanine/joint support and she just scoffed and went off on her tirade

Ok, sweet. And I would do the camera for free.

ballin!

i'll be sure to update this thread (and PM you guys interested) with the time/date/place

People that make huge blanket statements like that are just ignorant

yep

I was suppose to visit a girl down there before she comes home for summer.. maybe i will make a visit during ur presentation

yeah man would love to have u there, we could all go out afterwards (no homo) and could give me some pointers on what u thought... i am by no means an expert and my presentation skills are pretty good (marketing major so 3 diff classes on communication/presentation) but there is always room for improvement

Most supps are ****

exactly the reason for the guide, and the seminar! how amazing it would be for poor college students to learn how to avoid the hype and spend their money effectively and conservatively on supplements that are proven to work

That sucks. I can swipe into any theatre on SJU's campus and watch a movie if I wanted to.

Last year I used to take my residents to one of the three stadium-seat lecture halls and watch DVDs on Thursday nights. The microphone was constantly hooked up so, I never had to pay anyone, and nobody EVER cared or asked questions.

to be fair, the KIVA is a very nice auditorium... but the prices are just insane, what a poor showing for kent

check neg kent state

seriously

after $30k+ in tuition i've paid to be so ignorant is what really pisses me off

I had a teacher who did that in my freshman year.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=588811

Sorry to hear of the struggles for your initiative.

wow wow wow amazing link thank you so much!

i has a shovel, some duct tape and some ky jelly.... just saying.

haha no ky jelly, that lady was NASTY