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    Anderson Silvas knee kicks





    He did this quite a few times during the fight. I think that it is very dangerous and you could easily blow out a guys knee. Anyone else here think that this should be illegal?
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    looks like hes kicking his leg to me
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    Originally Posted by campeao View Post




    He did this quite a few times during the fight. I think that it is very dangerous and you could easily blow out a guys knee. Anyone else here think that this should be illegal?
    Well elbows could prolly make a person lose a eye.
    Head kick could prolly kill a person
    Chest punch may be able to crack a rib and poke the heart.


    So maybe we should just have them pillow fight?
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    Originally Posted by gainmusclefast View Post
    looks like hes kicking his leg to me
    heres another where he catches the knee

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    in the avi thing he is but I understand the point that it can wind up hitting the knee

    do I think it should be illegal I'm really not sure
    it is used so rarely that it's difficult to get a good idea of how often it will lead to a level of injury that dosn't justify it's use in a sport
    however, I could see a happy medium maybe of saying you can't specifically target the knee

    still not anywhere near perfect tho because with both parties moving about it's going to be difficult to hit the knee on purpose and easy to do it by accident lol
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    Originally Posted by gainmusclefast View Post
    looks like hes kicking his leg to me
    Well, he IS, but he's asking if push kicks to the knee that do nothing but force hyperextension should be outlawed.


    Personally, I hate to say "yes," but I hate to say "no," too.......In the end, if they outlaw this, they should probably outlaw footstomps, too. They're two "pain" techniques that will pretty much only cause injury without affecting the sway of the fight.
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    Originally Posted by FishDicks View Post
    Vera-Jardine, one kick was sick. I'm on the fence as far as this is concerned but to me begs the question if this is legal than knees and kicks to a downed opponent?
    you can knee and kick a downed opponent
    just not in the head
    the techinque isn't in question it's the target
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    actually this is far more useful then a footstomp
    a footstomp basically is to cause a distraction but this is a 'Stop Kick' and it has some serious uses
    it's mostly a Defensive move to stop the other man from coming forward (so it's odd to see it used here)
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    They should not be made illegal...

    My reason behind it, most every move is to cause damage.

    For example, a knee bar... that is going to cause damage maybe even before the person taps. Should we ban knee bars?

    What about an arm bar or kimura, those can dislocate an elbow or shoulder, should we ban them as well?


    You get what im saying. Same thing with leg kicks, elbows, knees to the face.
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    I understand what some of you are saying, but i just feel that it is a dirty technique to use in a fight.
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    Originally Posted by campeao View Post
    I understand what all of some of you are saying, but i just feel that it is a dirty technique to use in a fight.
    You could say the same about an elbow strike. The sole purpose of an elbow strike is for cutting.
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    It should be illegal if a foot stomp is illegal.

    With a submission you atleast have a chance to tap before anything goes wrong most of the time. Dying from a head kick or punch to the chest would be something of a freak accident, it rarely happens.. if ever. Kicking someone knee like that, you have little time to react and theres a very high chance you can get messed up if it lands deep enough.
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    Originally Posted by Reps n Sets View Post
    It should be illegal if a foot stomp is illegal.

    With a submission you atleast have a chance to tap before anything goes wrong most of the time. Dying from a head kick or punch to the chest would be something of a freak accident, it rarely happens.. if ever. Kicking someone knee like that, you have little time to react and theres a very high chance you can get messed up if it lands deep enough.
    What about the crucifix position? or like I said elbows, the sole purpose of throwing an elbow is to cut because they are very sharp.
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    Originally Posted by opk383 View Post
    They should not be made illegal...

    My reason behind it, most every move is to cause damage.

    For example, a knee bar... that is going to cause damage maybe even before the person taps. Should we ban knee bars?

    What about an arm bar or kimura, those can dislocate an elbow or shoulder, should we ban them as well?


    You get what im saying. Same thing with leg kicks, elbows, knees to the face.
    Submissions only cause damage if you refuse to, you know, submit. There is no admission of defeat that will prevent damage with a kick to the knee like that.

    Submissions threaten damage, that kick almost promises/forces damage.
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    What about the crucifix position? or like I said elbows, the sole purpose of throwing an elbow is to cut because they are very sharp.
    What about the crucifix? If someone is being neck/spine cranked, they still have time to tap before injury.

    And the purpose of an elbow isn't to cut any more than the purpose of the punch or kick is to cut. All strikes are aimed at knocking people out. Now, a side effect of an elbow is a cut, but it is by no means the purpose behind throwing an elbow. The purpose is to throw a powerful blow that has limited potential to damage the attacker.
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    Originally Posted by opk383 View Post
    You could say the same about an elbow strike. The sole purpose of an elbow strike is for cutting.
    Untrue. Elbows pack concussive force just like punches and can be used in ranges where punches are ineffective. Yes, they can cause cuts, but that is not their sole purpose.
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    Originally Posted by TheClips View Post
    Submissions only cause damage if you refuse to, you know, submit. There is no admission of defeat that will prevent damage with a kick to the knee like that.

    Submissions threaten damage, that kick almost promises/forces damage.


    What about the crucifix? If someone is being neck/spine cranked, they still have time to tap before injury.

    And the purpose of an elbow isn't to cut any more than the purpose of the punch or kick is to cut. All strikes are aimed at knocking people out. Now, a side effect of an elbow is a cut, but it is by no means the purpose behind throwing an elbow. The purpose is to throw a powerful blow that has limited potential to damage the attacker.
    Well most submissions only threaten injury because guys wait for the person to tap. If I locked on a clean kimura on you and cranked it right when I had it locked, you would not have time to tap... and even if you did by the time the submission was stopped you would probably be injured.

    The knee kick is the same way, it can be avoided...just like you can check a kick, or you can tap out. If someone is constantly doing what anderson silva was doing its very easy to avoid. Same concept of checking a kick, bring your knee up, if your knee is not fully extended its not going to do any damage. I hope you understand the point im trying to make, this move is not like an eye gouge or a kick to the groin. It is easily defended, but most fighters have not seen it.

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    Untrue. Elbows pack concussive force just like punches and can be used in ranges where punches are ineffective. Yes, they can cause cuts, but that is not their sole purpose.
    I believe it is their sole purpose, no offense. I dont see any scenario where an elbow can be thrown where a punch cannot be thrown. I see what your saying though, but if someone is so close that I decide to elbow them instead of punching them, I may as well put them in a clinch and have the option of throwing knees as well. People have differing opinions but I am taught the elbow is a cutting tool. They teach the same thing in southeast asia.
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    That's the thing, the kick is heavily underused so no one knows how hard it is to defend against it. Personally, I think it should be legal. It's not like stomping in someones knee is easy to do.
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    Originally Posted by Mrs Grudge View Post
    That's the thing, the kick is heavily underused so no one knows how hard it is to defend against it. Personally, I think it should be legal. It's not like stomping in someones knee is easy to do.
    Yes, the only time it will be very effective is if the receptionist of it is flat footed and not moving, which Leites was doing. If his knee was up in the position to check a kick, the knee shots would not be effective because his knee is not extended from the foot being planted firmly on the ground.
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    I dont see any scenario where an elbow can be thrown where a punch cannot be thrown.
    when you're in someones guard.
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    Originally Posted by SDFlip View Post
    when you're in someones guard.
    Why can a punch not be thrown from guard?

    If the person is using their guard correctly you should not be able to throw an elbow neither.

    I have been in peoples guards who did not lock down my arms and I was able to ground n pound thru their guard... look at Fedor.

    Im not here to argue, but im just letting people know this move is not as bad as an eye gouge or a groin strike. Its perfectly fine and can be defended against. Any move can cause serious damage.
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    Originally Posted by opk383 View Post
    Well most submissions only threaten injury because guys wait for the person to tap. If I locked on a clean kimura on you and cranked it right when I had it locked, you would not have time to tap... and even if you did by the time the submission was stopped you would probably be injured.

    The knee kick is the same way, it can be avoided...just like you can check a kick, or you can tap out. If someone is constantly doing what anderson silva was doing its very easy to avoid. Same concept of checking a kick, bring your knee up, if your knee is not fully extended its not going to do any damage. I hope you understand the point im trying to make, this move is not like an eye gouge or a kick to the groin. It is easily defended, but most fighters have not seen it.



    I believe it is their sole purpose, no offense. I dont see any scenario where an elbow can be thrown where a punch cannot be thrown. I see what your saying though, but if someone is so close that I decide to elbow them instead of punching them, I may as well put them in a clinch and have the option of throwing knees as well. People have differing opinions but I am taught the elbow is a cutting tool. They teach the same thing in southeast asia.
    you can do both, it depends on how the Elbow lands. the tendancy is for Over The Top Elbows to Cut and more Side landing Elbows to Jar/KO
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    Originally Posted by opk383 View Post
    Yes, the only time it will be very effective is if the receptionist of it is flat footed and not moving, which Leites was doing. If his knee was up in the position to check a kick, the knee shots would not be effective because his knee is not extended from the foot being planted firmly on the ground.
    actually it's pretty damn effective when you catch them on the step
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    Originally Posted by campeao View Post
    I understand what some of you are saying, but i just feel that it is a dirty technique to use in a fight.
    Agreed. Any body that's had knee blown out will attest. I honestly thought (along with most of the dudes-some fighters-watching the fights) that kicks targeting the knees were illegal per UFC rules (and most mma). roundhouse kicks and inside leg kicks were always taught as leg kicks to the heavy muscles above the knee. Knee strikes would happen (with an "oh well" kinda feel) but they were never intentional.
    trust me, knee kicking is easy, done in street fights by dirty fuggers, and really can cause probs.

    Originally Posted by opk383 View Post
    You could say the same about an elbow strike. The sole purpose of an elbow strike is for cutting.
    Uh, no. Turn in your muay Thai card.
    The elbow's a club, basically all bone, used to bludgeon your opponent into submission or ko. In fact part of the whole reason for avseline in their is to avoid cuts by anything (gloves, fingernails, elbows, headbutts). Most fighters don't want a W by cut, it's a crap win (yeaaah it's a win, but c'mon, ya wanna just win? Or be a dam good fighter that wins definatively?).
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    Originally Posted by Kane Fan View Post
    actually it's pretty damn effective when you catch them on the step
    But who fights flat footed? with your lead foot FIRMLY planted?

    Originally Posted by parkerbro1 View Post
    Agreed. Any body that's had knee blown out will attest. I honestly thought (along with most of the dudes-some fighters-watching the fights) that kicks targeting the knees were illegal per UFC rules (and most mma). roundhouse kicks and inside leg kicks were always taught as leg kicks to the heavy muscles above the knee. Knee strikes would happen (with an "oh well" kinda feel) but they were never intentional.
    trust me, knee kicking is easy, done in street fights by dirty fuggers, and really can cause probs.



    Uh, no. Turn in your muay Thai card.
    The elbow's a club, basically all bone, used to bludgeon your opponent into submission or ko. In fact part of the whole reason for avseline in their is to avoid cuts by anything (gloves, fingernails, elbows, headbutts). Most fighters don't want a W by cut, it's a crap win (yeaaah it's a win, but c'mon, ya wanna just win? Or be a dam good fighter that wins definatively?).
    I dont like to get into arguements, but why would you tell me to turn in my Muay Thai card?

    When you have had professional fights and trained in southeast asia then you can give me advice about it. Look at the tip of your elbow, its very "pointy" and sharp, exactly my point. What other part of your body can cut as well as your elbow?

    Its pretty obvious your using my statement in the 'sport' sense, like I said the main purpose of the elbow is to cut, everyone here has different trainers. If most fighters had the choice they would win the fight while taking the least amount of damage possible. Are you a professional fighter? do you speak on behalf of all professional fighters? I train with plenty, and we damn well know the purpose of throwing an elbow.
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    these kicks made me not a fan of Silva anymore. he did them what, a dozen times?

    I mean, Thales was SO defenseless by the end, why risk ruining his career with a nasty knee injury by throwing these kicks when you could easily stop him with punches? i know its fighting, but this just felt malicious, like he really wanted to hurt the guy.

    im looking forward to Silva being dethroned. Im hoping Maia is the guy to do it, sans butt flopping.
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    seriously ufc is starting to suck ass.. the fighters suck... ufc is turning like the govenrment.. the more rules the more bs the more suckyness..

    someone needs to kill another fighter to make things interesting or hurt someone very bad to make things interesting...

    some fighter needs to knock out another fighters knee till he falls to the matt;s then grabs him by the neck and neck cranks him till he taps or snaps...


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    Originally Posted by opk383 View Post
    What about the crucifix position? or like I said elbows, the sole purpose of throwing an elbow is to cut because they are very sharp.
    Wow. Dude, please...
    Think real hard on what you just said. Elbows aren't "sharp". It's the force of the bone against bone rupturing the skin between that creates the cut. that's why they're so f'in deep and cause such amounts of scar tissue to build up. Cut yourself with a knife and see the difference.
    I have scars from both an elbow and knives. HUGE difference in the thickness and build up of scar tissue (and sh it, the pain of delivery lol, knife hurts less, but way more scary).
    I'm sure that this is what elbows seem to do to your perspective, but you really need to learn more about what you're talkin about before makin comments like this.
    It's like when I hear somebody talkin about BJJ sayin "man, those dudes are just layin there bein gay and such".
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    Originally Posted by parkerbro1 View Post
    Wow. Dude, please...
    Think real hard on what you just said. Elbows aren't "sharp". It's the force of the bone against bone rupturing the skin between that creates the cut. that's why they're so f'in deep and cause such amounts of scar tissue to build up. Cut yourself with a knife and see the difference.
    I have scars from both an elbow and knives. HUGE difference in the thickness and build up of scar tissue (and sh it, the pain of delivery lol, knife hurts less, but way more scary).
    I'm sure that this is what elbows seem to do to your perspective, but you really need to learn more about what you're talkin about before makin comments like this.
    It's like when I hear somebody talkin about BJJ sayin "man, those dudes are just layin there bein gay and such".
    You can sit here and say what you want, it takes a real tough man to wear tap out clothes and go take pictures with fighters.

    You must feel real cool, if your ever in miami let me know, maybe you can come over to ATT, and well see who should turn in their cards, thanks. When you roll with one of the top 5 current BJJ competitors in the world who has won ADCC 3 times, on a daily basis, then you can talk, more training less TUF pictures imo.

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    Originally Posted by campeao View Post
    He did this quite a few times during the fight. I think that it is very dangerous and you could easily blow out a guys knee. Anyone else here think that this should be illegal?
    very dangerous? heel hooks are probably the most dangerous and they are allowed.. so no this will never be illegal..
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    i my opinion you should be allowed to kick another fighter in the head while he is on the ground.
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