USPLabs: DominATP + Refresh

[blumnblam]

I searched on bb.com and there's a recent thread about DominATP, but as it tends to do, turned into a PRIME-bashfest. I don't want to touch that.
I looked at the ingredient/dosing of DominATP and it looks simple and solid (no MT Strength Explosive NANOdiffuse Propietary ANABOLIC MATRIXXX 1000000mg consisting of 40% sugar, 35% caffeine)

Dicreatine Malate 4500 mg
Beta Alanine 3000 mg
Leucine 5000 mg
Citrulline Malate 3500 mg
Agmatine Sulfate 500 mg

I've never once felt the energy effect of a pre-workout supp (I'm caffeine insensitive for some reason), so I bought this.
(Never tried Ragnarok, btw)

Questions I should've asked before I compulsively pulled the trigger:

• What's the flavor of this?

• What's REFRESH?

EDIT:

Originally Posted by strategicmove

Refresh is an adrenal-adaptogenic complex that can also support focus and clarity. Here are the details of the matrix:
Serving Size: 3 capsules
Schizandrin 15% 500mgs
Gynostemma 98% gypenosides 300mgs
Bacopa (40% bacosides)200mgs
Tribulus Terristris(extracted for tribulosin) 1250mgs

EDIT 2: Actually, I'd like more clarification on what y'all expect out of REFRESH. Pseudo-focus + antioxidants + libido booster?

• Does this take the place of our normal creatine supplement? (4.5g of dicreatine malate)

• Can this be used sporadically like 'standard' pre-workout supps or is consistent use best?

[dexterium]

DominATP would be best used as a pre-workout supplement and you could just add in some bulk creatine monohydrate. DominATP is a nice alternative to the stimulant based pre-workout products. Jack3d, in my opinion, is a much better pre-workout product though.

[IKnowWhoYouAre]

why is everyone at usp so uninterested in this product?

this is the best formulated thing you've put on the market (tho JACK3D was good...) yet jacob is like "ehh agmatine sucks. had some extra so threw it in there" and now ur bashing it too

WHAT GIVES? I'M NOW MORE INTRIGUED

[ZimZim]

Id do the Refresh+jack3d pre, and DominATP intra with some BCAA personally. (idk if u have jacked, if not then prob just the Refresh pre; The Bacopa should give u good energy).

[USPlabs]

Originally Posted by dexterium

DominATP would be best used as a pre-workout supplement and you could just add in some bulk creatine monohydrate. DominATP is a nice alternative to the stimulant based pre-workout products. Jack3d, in my opinion, is a much better pre-workout product though.

DominATP has 4.5 grams of Di creatine malate..You can add 3 scoops of DominATP to Jack3d and I do all the time...wow is all I can say.

[USPlabs]

Originally Posted by IKnowWhoYouAre

why is everyone at usp so uninterested in this product?

this is the best formulated thing you've put on the market (tho JACK3D was good...) yet jacob is like "ehh agmatine sucks. had some extra so threw it in there" and now ur bashing it too

WHAT GIVES? I'M NOW MORE INTRIGUED

Not entirely true, The agmatine is not the most solid compound in the blend and a MAN rep came into a USPlabs thread crying about that addition to the blend and it just pointed out it was not Agmatine that made the product special.

It's under my USPowders line (concept is bulk pricing but a flavored product) which is my way to formulate a product and not worry about packaging, marketing, and advertising that adds to cost and needed for retail.

USPowders hits Bulk consumers but with a flavored powder. I have access to great raw material prices and an amazing flavoring guy so just passing on some savings to the consumer..

Did I mention it was naturally flavored?

[dexterium]

Originally Posted by blumnblam

• Does this take the place of our normal creatine supplement? (4.5g of dicreatine malate)

• Can this be used sporadically like 'standard' pre-workout supps or is consistent use best?

Originally Posted by dexterium

DominATP would be best used as a pre-workout supplement and you could just add in some bulk creatine monohydrate.

Originally Posted by USPlabs

DominATP has 4.5 grams of Di creatine malate..You can add 3 scoops of DominATP to Jack3d and I do all the time...wow is all I can say.

Not sure if we are understanding each other lol, but, what I was saying was that DominATP can be used on workout days and creatine monohydrate could be used on off days. Indeed, it makes DominATP last longer.

[WordzWorf]

Originally Posted by USPlabs

DominATP has 4.5 grams of Di creatine malate..You can add 3 scoops of DominATP to Jack3d and I do all the time...wow is all I can say.

3 scoops?? That is a crapload of Creatine,Citrulline and Beta Alanine at once lol.Bet it is effective though.

[blixmpi]

Originally Posted by WordzWorf

3 scoops?? That is a crapload of Creatine,Citrulline and Beta Alanine at once lol.Bet it is effective though.

3 scoops is one serving

[WordzWorf]

Originally Posted by blixmpi

3 scoops is one serving

Oh ok,thanks.I thought he meant 3 servings.Have you tried this product? If so how is the taste?

[WordzWorf]

Originally Posted by blumnblam

Natural flavoring ... skeet skeet?

Originally Posted by USPlabs

It's under my USPowders line (concept is bulk pricing but a flavored product) which is my way to formulate a product and not worry about packaging, marketing, and advertising that adds to cost and needed for retail.

USPowders hits Bulk consumers but with a flavored powder. I have access to great raw material prices and an amazing flavoring guy so just passing on some savings to the consumer..

Did I mention it was naturally flavored?

How does naturally flavored describe how it tastes?? It could taste like lemon or like sh**,both are natural flavors lol.

P.S I never tasted sh** but lemon is good

[jeremyleinen]

where are these available for purchase at?

[WordzWorf]

Originally Posted by jeremyleinen

where are these available for purchase at?

Google DominATP,should be the second link that shows up.

[superbloop]

Originally Posted by WordzWorf

How does naturally flavored describe how it tastes?? It could taste like lemon or like sh**,both are natural flavors lol.

P.S I never tasted sh** but lemon is good

I've been using it for the past week or so...
- The flavor is pretty good, but VERY strong- I parachute it Oh and thats actually harder than it sounds because the powder is uh...really powdery.
- I really enjoy the effect- its more apparent on cardio days because I train to powerlift (low reps, while the ingredients are more suited to building endurance). Still pretty good.
- DominATP makes my stomach feel funny- kinda gassy and heavy (although there's no 'poof' of this)
- Its much better to take before your pre-workout meal. Taking it after significantly reduces effectiveness.

My only problem is a question- I'm a fan of Clout...a BIG fan- any USP reps care to c hime in on how I can take Clout and DominATP together? It seems like it might be a creatine overdose.


As for Refresh, I hate it. I do- I'm sorry. I'm basically taking it because it was free and because I have it, but honestly, I dont know what to do with it- it doesnt really boost libido, it doesnt make my stims feel more stimmy (I take Reset-AD with Slim Xtreme in the morning) and it makes me feel clouded and lethargic if I take it before gym.
I know its free, and its beta so its OK to not provide much info yet, but USP- dont you think you would get better feedback if you gave us SOME guidelines about it other than "its versatile enough to use anytime" (from AnMin I think)?

[blixmpi]

Originally Posted by WordzWorf

Oh ok,thanks.I thought he meant 3 servings.Have you tried this product? If so how is the taste?

I have tried it.

The taste is ok at best - it is a strong lemon flavor unlike anything currently on the market.

I have used it for about a week and have not noticed any benefits as of yet.

[WordzWorf]

Originally Posted by superbloop

I've been using it for the past week or so...
- The flavor is pretty good, but VERY strong- I parachute it Oh and thats actually harder than it sounds because the powder is uh...really powdery.
- I really enjoy the effect- its more apparent on cardio days because I train to powerlift (low reps, while the ingredients are more suited to building endurance). Still pretty good.
- DominATP makes my stomach feel funny- kinda gassy and heavy (although there's no 'poof' of this)
- Its much better to take before your pre-workout meal. Taking it after significantly reduces effectiveness.

My only problem is a question- I'm a fan of Clout...a BIG fan- any USP reps care to c hime in on how I can take Clout and DominATP together? It seems like it might be a creatine overdose.


As for Refresh, I hate it. I do- I'm sorry. I'm basically taking it because it was free and because I have it, but honestly, I dont know what to do with it- it doesnt really boost libido, it doesnt make my stims feel more stimmy (I take Reset-AD with Slim Xtreme in the morning) and it makes me feel clouded and lethargic if I take it before gym.
I know its free, and its beta so its OK to not provide much info yet, but USP- dont you think you would get better feedback if you gave us SOME guidelines about it other than "its versatile enough to use anytime" (from AnMin I think)?

Thank you for the breakdown.The flavor must be....if you have to parachute it lol.Yea I figured it would be good for endurance,it has a nice dose of Citrulline which is why I am considering it.200 grams of CM is around 18-20 bucks by itself.

Originally Posted by blixmpi

I have tried it.

The taste is ok at best - it is a strong lemon flavor unlike anything currently on the market.

I have used it for about a week and have not noticed any benefits as of yet.

Thanks for the info on flavor.Sucks about no results.Does it not even give you a decent pump?

[superbloop]

Originally Posted by WordzWorf

Thank you for the breakdown.The flavor must be....if you have to parachute it lol.Yea I figured it would be good for endurance,it has a nice dose of Citrulline which is why I am considering it.200 grams of CM is around 18-20 bucks by itself.



Thanks for the info on flavor.Sucks about no results.Does it not even give you a decent pump?

Dont read into the parachuting- I chute Poseidon and Clout as well- and they're both pretty damn tasty.

Also, its pretty much impossible that the product will not give you a pump- creatine, CM, Leucine and Agmatine are pump inducing, out of which Agmatine is supposed to give an 'all day' pump. I'm not a fan of pumps myself, just sayin.

[superbloop]

Originally Posted by blumnblam

Right, I cannot fathom how this product can fail.

The only way it would is if the products listed on ingredient panel are not the ones in the actual product (i.e. bunk).

Ummm...I dont know how you would expect me to reply to this. I'm not a company/ product basher unless I feel its done me harm.
I bought it for personal use- so I trust it enough to pay money for it, and ingest it myself- I cant/ wont give your point any more validity than that.

Btw- I understand what you're saying- its just that there is literally NOTHING valuable that you could hope to get with that statement. This is, after all an unregulated industry- take it or leave it

[chasinSKURT]

Originally Posted by USPlabs

Not entirely true, The agmatine is not the most solid compound in the blend and a MAN rep came into a USPlabs thread crying about that addition to the blend and it just pointed out it was not Agmatine that made the product special.

I came in crying?

I pointed out that there is a ton of science behind agmatine, and mentioned it's effectiveness. You guys took it the wrong way, and acted as though MAN is worried that your single run bulk product is gonna have any effect on BluePrint sales. Seriously, agmatine is a solid ingredient. The fact that you don't even realize it is laughable.

[Peter LeDrew]

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

I came in crying?

I pointed out that there is a ton of science behind agmatine, and mentioned it's effectiveness. You guys took it the wrong way, and acted as though MAN is worried that your single run bulk product is gonna have any effect on BluePrint sales. Seriously, agmatine is a solid ingredient. The fact that you don't even realize it is laughable.

This MAN does not know how to cry. He was born with a congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis.

[chasinSKURT]

Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew

This MAN does not know how to cry. He was born with a congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis.

lmao!!!

[Peter LeDrew]

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

lmao!!!

Just be thankful you can lyao!!!

[USPlabs]

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

I came in crying?

I pointed out that there is a ton of science behind agmatine, and mentioned it's effectiveness. You guys took it the wrong way, and acted as though MAN is worried that your single run bulk product is gonna have any effect on BluePrint sales. Seriously, agmatine is a solid ingredient. The fact that you don't even realize it is laughable.

Call it Crying or whining while pimping your company's product unprofessionally in a competitors thread.

Seems like a desperate tactic to get sales breaking board rules. You will never find a USPlabs rep in a MAN thread cyring or whining about an ingredient.

[chasinSKURT]

Originally Posted by USPlabs

Call it Crying or whining while pimping your company's product unprofessionally in a competitors thread.

Seems like a desperate tactic to get sales breaking board rules. You will never find a USPlabs rep in a MAN thread cyring or whining about an ingredient.

Please. You mentioned that the product was gonna be a one time thing, and I replied that I hoped people would try it out for the agmatine and buy blueprint later. YOU HAD ALREADY SAID YOU HAD NO INTENTION OF ANYTHING MORE THAN A ONE TIME RUN.

It's just funny to see you say there's not much out there that shows agmatine is a worthwhile supplement. Far from the truth. Your product looks decent. I'm not putting it down by any means.

Lastly, I didn't break any rules.

[Peter LeDrew]

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

Please. You mentioned that the product was gonna be a one time thing, and I replied that I hoped people would try it out for the agmatine and buy blueprint later. YOU HAD ALREADY SAID YOU HAD NO INTENTION OF ANYTHING MORE THAN A ONE TIME RUN.

It's just funny to see you say there's not much out there that shows agmatine is a worthwhile supplement. Far from the truth. Your product looks decent. I'm not putting it down by any means.

Lastly, I didn't break any rules.

To be honest, Agmatine is by far the most interesting ingredient to me in the product, but that is also because it is the one I have the least experience with.

[chasinSKURT]

Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew

To be honest, Agmatine is by far the most interesting ingredient to me in the product, but that is also because it is the one I have the least experience with.

Have you ever tried it?

[Peter LeDrew]

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

Have you ever tried it?

I have a bottle BluePrint I just bought, but haven't used it yet... I posted in Kerplunk's log. Hopefully get to run it in the next couple months.

[blumnblam]

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

Have you ever tried it?

I know it's directed towards PLeD, but...I'm logging BLUEPRINT right now (in sig).
About how long before it really kicks in, in your opinion?

I ask that a) for the present situation I'm in, b) if/when I use DominATP, it'd be useful information to know.

[DGreekStallion]

Just about to take the combo for a stim-free late night workout.

[hsihpdaeh]

hey what is the dosing for refresh?

Originally Posted by USPlabs

Not entirely true, The agmatine is not the most solid compound in the blend and a MAN rep came into a USPlabs thread crying about that addition to the blend and it just pointed out it was not Agmatine that made the product special.

It's under my USPowders line (concept is bulk pricing but a flavored product) which is my way to formulate a product and not worry about packaging, marketing, and advertising that adds to cost and needed for retail.

USPowders hits Bulk consumers but with a flavored powder. I have access to great raw material prices and an amazing flavoring guy so just passing on some savings to the consumer..

Did I mention it was naturally flavored?