Why bulk on keto?

[dimasso69]

Let me start, i am ignorant to the benefits of keto and how it effects your body all i do know is that you eat very little carbs, then carbo load but idk how often or when..or what exactly u eat, im just curious as to why people bulk on keto..or cut, are there any benefits that differ from a diet with carbs?

[lurker9999]

Let me start, i am ignorant to the benefits of keto and how it effects your body all i do know is that you eat very little carbs, then carbo load but idk how often or when..or what exactly u eat, im just curious as to why people bulk on keto..or cut, are there any benefits that differ from a diet with carbs?

As someone who just started keto today, from what I have read it basically works like this:

-Right now you use mostly carbs for energy
-You stop eating carbs during the week so your body turns to FAT for energy
-you carb up on the weekend so you have enough carbs to do your heavy lifting
-rest of the time the fat stored in your pouch (my stomach) is burned instead of the carbs that you constantly replenish

Not sure how good it is for bulking, but for cutting it seems to be pretty good logic. Using my stored body fat hiding the rest of my 6 pack, rather than some other source.

[dimasso69]

As someone who just started keto today, from what I have read it basically works like this:

-Right now you use mostly carbs for energy
-You stop eating carbs during the week so your body turns to FAT for energy
-you carb up on the weekend so you have enough carbs to do your heavy lifting
-rest of the time the fat stored in your pouch (my stomach) is burned instead of the carbs that you constantly replenish

Not sure how good it is for bulking, but for cutting it seems to be pretty good logic. Using my stored body fat hiding the rest of my 6 pack, rather than some other source.

yeah but ur eating alot of fat..like 60-70% of ur total cals are from fats so ud burn those off..on a bulk i just dont see how it's beneficial considering ur muscles would be flatter? no glycogen, and you'd have less energy, and on a cut a cal deflict=weight loss, unless ur doing this as a lifestyle, i just dont understand it, i dont mean to put keto down, but im curious as to peoples reasoning for doing keto.

[lurker9999]

yeah but ur eating alot of fat..like 60-70% of ur total cals are from fats so ud burn those off..on a bulk i just dont see how it's beneficial considering ur muscles would be flatter? no glycogen, and you'd have less energy, and on a cut a cal deflict=weight loss, unless ur doing this as a lifestyle, i just dont understand it, i dont mean to put keto down, but im curious as to peoples reasoning for doing keto.

Yah so lets say you are eating 2200calories a day (my case) and burning 2700 a day. Regardless of the fact I am eating more fat, calories are calories. My deficit is 500 calories.

You replenish the glycogen on the carb up. But going 6 days or so a week for a few weeks on solely fat as your source of energy will train your body to use the carb up only for weight lifting.

Energy should remain the same as before, or even more. Fat digests slower so should provide more energy. High carb diets also cause carb crashes (especially those high in sugar).

As I said this is for cutting FAT. You are a pretty tiny guy from what I can see and still could use some bulking. I have bulked up quite a bit and now want to cut 10lbs of fat or so, so I can be at 175lbs and have very low BF.

Try reading up on it...

[spak]

The main thing I have heard about bulking on keto is you will not gain any extra bodyfat while bulking like you usually do bulking on a normal diet. So you don't have do keep doing bulk/cut cycles like on a normal diet, you can just straight bulk.

[dimasso69]

The main thing I have heard about bulking on keto is you will not gain any extra bodyfat while bulking like you usually do bulking on a normal diet. So you don't have do keep doing bulk/cut cycles like on a normal diet, you can just straight bulk.

where have u read up on this?

[dimasso69]

Yah so lets say you are eating 2200calories a day (my case) and burning 2700 a day. Regardless of the fact I am eating more fat, calories are calories. My deficit is 500 calories.

You replenish the glycogen on the carb up. But going 6 days or so a week for a few weeks on solely fat as your source of energy will train your body to use the carb up only for weight lifting.

Energy should remain the same as before, or even more. Fat digests slower so should provide more energy. High carb diets also cause carb crashes (especially those high in sugar).

As I said this is for cutting FAT. You are a pretty tiny guy from what I can see and still could use some bulking. I have bulked up quite a bit and now want to cut 10lbs of fat or so, so I can be at 175lbs and have very low BF.

Try reading up on it...

oh i know i can use some bulking lol but i just dont get why carb up if fats provide sufficent energy, but i am going to read up on it..even though im 95% sure im not doing this until im older, i am interested in it.

[TaoistWarrior]

There are advantages and disadvantages to any style of diet for any goal, but if you want the advantages of bulking on keto, here are some off the top of my head:

1. Minimize fat gain during the bulk/stay leaner. Some experts say that doing a CDK like the Anabolic Diet elminates the need for endless bulking/cutting cycles altogether. No more losing lean mass on cuts, then putting on muscle/fat, cutting to lose fat, repeat repeat...
2. No need to adjust to keto diet when ready to cut. No crash/induction phase.
3. Test boost from additional saturated fat and cholesterol. You will feel strong and aggressive and have great workouts.
4. Carb-ups + workouts = better pumps than any NO product will give you.

There's no lack of energy on keto, especially on a bulk. You customize the protocols to your needs. Mid-week sluggishness? Add a mid-week carb-up. Done. Or do TKD.

Your muscles may be a bit "flatter" when you're not working out on keto because they actually represent your lean mass. They aren't holding extra water. So when you go into the gym, you may find yourself lifting heavier/longer than guys that look bigger than you (at first, until the pump hits.)

Your best resource on this will be the expert: Mauro DiPasquale, MD. I loaned it to a personal trainer friend or I'd pull some quotes from it for you.

[dimasso69]

There are advantages and disadvantages to any style of diet for any goal, but if you want the advantages of bulking on keto, here are some off the top of my head:

1. Minimize fat gain during the bulk/stay leaner. Some experts say that doing a CDK like the Anabolic Diet elminates the need for endless bulking/cutting cycles altogether. No more losing lean mass on cuts, then putting on muscle/fat, cutting to lose fat, repeat repeat...
2. No need to adjust to keto diet when ready to cut. No crash/induction phase.
3. Test boost from additional saturated fat and cholesterol. You will feel strong and aggressive and have great workouts.
4. Carb-ups + workouts = better pumps than any NO product will give you.

There's no lack of energy on keto, especially on a bulk. You customize the protocols to your needs. Mid-week sluggishness? Add a mid-week carb-up. Done. Or do TKD.

Your muscles may be a bit "flatter" when you're not working out on keto because they actually represent your lean mass. They aren't holding extra water. So when you go into the gym, you may find yourself lifting heavier/longer than guys that look bigger than you (at first, until the pump hits.)

Your best resource on this will be the expert: Mauro DiPasquale, MD. I loaned it to a personal trainer friend or I'd pull some quotes from it for you.

what's TKD, and how often are carb loads done..and are they like 1hr pre workout or something? but thanks for the post man.

[tougebattle]

im doing the anabolic diet for bulking right now

And well so far so good Im 1 week into a full blown bulk with 2 carb up days i use friday and saturday.

So far here is how it started.

I did my keto induction cycle it took two weeks.

then i did 1 week of maitnence calories and i did 1 carb up day that weekend

then i made the choice to bulk So far im one week in.

Before the bulk i wieghed in at 148lbs

I weighed in this morning also lol i wieghed 158lbs

now what i can say is CLEARLY that is not all muscle haha, and CLEARLY tht isnt all fat, i bet a lot is water and a lot is glycogen because i did a full carb up this week end and i tore it up

Im taking in 3000cals + 200 or so on any given day

i match my grams of fat to grams of protien and i try to take in <30 carbs somtimes im sure my carbs hit 40 or so though.

Pumps during the carb up are absolutely nuts you feel like a ****ing beast.

BTW Im also on creatine mono as a supplement that and gnc whey thats all im on. Im going to keep bulking and working out for 8 weeks and see what kind of results i get so far im 1 week in so i will see where im at, at the end of the 8 weeks on June 1st soooo lol hopefully i can pack on some lean mass because i started this bulk scrawny looking so im hoping for a nice improvement here and im not slacking so i definently see it being possible.

[dimasso69]

dude u mind posting ur results so i can see..im very intersted

[Atavis]

You can (and likely should) let your protein go up to about 1.5 gr per lb for bulking and the bulk of your daily carbs should be peri-workout.

Something to consider.

[tougebattle]

ill tell ya what i have been taking a few pics but only being 1 week into a full bulk results are hard to see just from pics however you can definently tell the difference in some of the pics, so I do have a few pics i took in the same pose and what not but im going to wait another week or so and ill post some up for ya that way i can see if i can gain some more or if this is just glycogen and water pumping back into (which it most likely is) so it would also be cool to see a pics of me all carb/glycoen depleted and then blown up lol.

If your looking to bulk, i say right now go for this, some guys have great sucess on it from what ive read, while others havent. I dont know if my body just gains easy or what? im not sure lol but i do know that this is working for me.

[tougebattle]

oh yeah also since you are intrested in this i thought this was kinda cool so i will mention this too.

As far as strength gains and everything goes here is a good comparison

last monday i weighed 148lbs that morning, i did my bicep/tricep routine that even (which includes a few sets of dips using my body weight only) 1 set of dips i did 18 reps @ 148lbs

Well tonight same thing bicep tricep work out, i did my dips and i also managed to do 18 reps @ 158lbs