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    Just an update...

    These are bunk and I don't think you should purchase them The placebo is unreal
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    how r u likin the mass tabs?


    how would u compare them to SD
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    Originally Posted by manofmany View Post
    Just an update...

    These are bunk and I don't think you should purchase them The placebo is unreal
    lol

    If I had the fukaiyama-matsuo reagent, I would have made a 'standard' last year. And making the FM reagent it is not in my interest, so I guess we're left in the dark, no?
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    CEL or APS or someone please make a clone of this!! lol you will be so rich
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    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ids/mass.html

    this doesnt look anything like the original ingredients


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    Originally Posted by stussy View Post
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ids/mass.html

    this doesnt look anything like the original ingredients


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    I guess you're kidding right? lol
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    Originally Posted by joshweights View Post
    CEL or APS or someone please make a clone of this!! lol you will be so rich
    CEL sten-drol

    or

    BCL straight-sten
    "You have never lived until you have almost died. For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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    CEL M-Sten
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    Originally Posted by babolat06 View Post
    CEL M-Sten
    omg.. this would be #1 seller.
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    Originally Posted by B_Musha View Post
    I guess you're kidding right? lol
    no I wasn't kiddin inform me please
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    Originally Posted by stussy View Post
    no I wasn't kiddin inform me please
    ahhhh sorry, i guess it is kind of hard to see but if you look about half way through ingredients on the new label you'll see "stenbolone" which is what made the originals money.
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    Originally Posted by joshweights View Post
    omg.. this would be #1 seller.
    someone has to be able to get the raws to do this...
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    Originally Posted by joshweights View Post
    someone has to be able to get the raws to do this...
    the raws aren't hard to find its just the money and paper work that would be a problem for a normal consumer to bring this to market.though i'm sure a few compaines on here could do it if they really wanted to.
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    Originally Posted by thauncle View Post
    the raws aren't hard to find its just the money and paper work that would be a problem for a normal consumer to bring this to market.though i'm sure a few compaines on here could do it if they really wanted to.
    i kno cel has the power to do it!!!
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    so which would be better?
    1-t-tren with mass tabs
    1-t-tren with grow tabs
    1-t-tren with 11-oxo?

    What kinds of gains could I expect from mass tabs? I am looking to cut with building some lean muscle but cutting is the mAin goal. I do not like epistane very much either.
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    Originally Posted by stussy View Post
    so which would be better?
    1-t-tren with mass tabs
    1-t-tren with grow tabs
    1-t-tren with 11-oxo?

    What kinds of gains could I expect from mass tabs? I am looking to cut with building some lean muscle but cutting is the mAin goal. I do not like epistane very much either.
    1-t with mass tabs sounds like fun to me.. 1-t tren and mass tabs is a lil much i think.
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    Originally Posted by stussy View Post
    so which would be better?
    1-t-tren with mass tabs
    1-t-tren with grow tabs
    1-t-tren with 11-oxo?

    What kinds of gains could I expect from mass tabs? I am looking to cut with building some lean muscle but cutting is the mAin goal. I do not like epistane very much either.
    The fact that you're asking this question leads me to assume that you're not experienced enough to be using none of the above.
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    Question What's MethylSten?

    Originally Posted by joshweights View Post
    someone has to be able to get the raws to do this...
    Originally Posted by thauncle View Post
    the raws aren't hard to find its just the money and paper work that would be a problem for a normal consumer to bring this to market.though i'm sure a few compaines on here could do it if they really wanted to.
    Yes, a clone of MethylSten would be a #1 seller, but.. what's MethylSten?

    I thought MethylSten was 1-ene SD, but I've read in previous post in this thread that this can't be, becouse its imposible to have a 1-ene in a 2a-methyl (SD is 2a,17a-dimethyl, so it can't have a 1-ene)

    So, what's MethylSten?
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    Originally Posted by JBerto View Post
    Yes, a clone of MethylSten would be a #1 seller, but.. what's MethylSten?

    I thought MethylSten was 1-ene SD, but I've read in previous post in this thread that this can't be, becouse its imposible to have a 1-ene in a 2a-methyl (SD is 2a,17a-dimethyl, so it can't have a 1-ene)

    So, what's MethylSten?
    does ids have the smartest chemist in the industry or what??? Someones gotta be able to clone this!
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    Originally Posted by JBerto View Post
    Yes, a clone of MethylSten would be a #1 seller, but.. what's MethylSten?

    I thought MethylSten was 1-ene SD, but I've read in previous post in this thread that this can't be, becouse its imposible to have a 1-ene in a 2a-methyl (SD is 2a,17a-dimethyl, so it can't have a 1-ene)

    So, what's MethylSten?
    You can't have stereochemistry at the 2-position; therefore calling it 2a-methyl is incorrect. Methyl sten is the 1-ene derivative of SD, so the proper name for you bros would be 17b-hydroxy-2,17a-dimethyl-1-ene-5a-androstan-3-one. Or 17b-hydroxy-2,17a-dimethyl-1-ene-etiocholan-3-one. Those letters next to the numbers a or b indicates alpha or beta respectively; alpha means that the group is pointing away from the plane of the main structure in a 2D drawing and beta means that the group is pointing towards you from the plane. If there's an alkene anywhere present, the two carbons which form the alkene become flat due to the hybridization of bonds thus making it impossible to point away or toward you (hence the reason for no such thing as 1-ene-2a-methyl or 1-ene-2b-methyl). It is just flat, making it simply 2-methyl.
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    Originally Posted by Beejis60 View Post
    You can't have stereochemistry at the 2-position; therefore calling it 2a-methyl is incorrect. Methyl sten is the 1-ene derivative of SD, so the proper name for you bros would be 17b-hydroxy-2,17a-dimethyl-1-ene-5a-androstan-3-one. Or 17b-hydroxy-2,17a-dimethyl-1-ene-etiocholan-3-one. Those letters next to the numbers a or b indicates alpha or beta respectively; alpha means that the group is pointing away from the plane of the main structure in a 2D drawing and beta means that the group is pointing towards you from the plane. If there's an alkene anywhere present, the two carbons which form the alkene become flat due to the hybridization of bonds thus making it impossible to point away or toward you (hence the reason for no such thing as 1-ene-2a-methyl or 1-ene-2b-methyl). It is just flat, making it simply 2-methyl.
    OK, thanks for the explanation!
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    Originally Posted by thauncle View Post
    the raws aren't hard to find its just the money and paper work that would be a problem for a normal consumer to bring this to market.though i'm sure a few compaines on here could do it if they really wanted to.
    how do you know the raws aren't hard to find? Just my guess that if they were so easy alot more companies would be on this like they are SD clones....
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    Originally Posted by Iron_And_sweat View Post
    how do you know the raws aren't hard to find? Just my guess that if they were so easy alot more companies would be on this like they are SD clones....
    There's a few suppliers out of the states that make it my guess is since no one knows what is really in this stuff completely is the real companies shy away from taking a chance on it.any company that puts out a ph,ds type of product is always one user or chemist away from goin outta business.all you need is for one dumbass to do something stupid with your product and you could be in deep #hit.
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    Originally Posted by thauncle View Post
    There's a few suppliers out of the states that make it my guess is since no one knows what is really in this stuff completely is the real companies shy away from taking a chance on it.any company that puts out a ph,ds type of product is always one user or chemist away from goin outta business.all you need is for one dumbass to do something stupid with your product and you could be in deep #hit.
    So you're basically talking out of your ass??
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    Originally Posted by thauncle View Post
    There's a few suppliers out of the states that make it my guess is since no one knows what is really in this stuff completely is the real companies shy away from taking a chance on it.any company that puts out a ph,ds type of product is always one user or chemist away from goin outta business.all you need is for one dumbass to do something stupid with your product and you could be in deep #hit.
    so if it is not known 100% what is in it.... how can you know where to source it or what to even look for?


    Are you sure there are multiple sources etc or do you really even have a clue?
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    Originally Posted by Iron_And_sweat View Post
    so if it is not known 100% what is in it.... how can you know where to source it or what to even look for?


    Are you sure there are multiple sources etc or do you really even have a clue?
    I at one time during this thread was thinking about buying some for use sometime next year so I did some Google,yahoo etc search work back when this thread started up to see if there was anything on this compound that would reveal what it really is by finding the info in another forum somewhere on the net on a page or study or etc and didn't find anything but i happen to fall onto a few supplier websites.when i say no one knows whats in it i mean who knows if its just pure product or if the supplier or ids is spiking it,maybe the supplier is spiking it or maybe ids has a chemist adding something extra who knows what the mystery item Beejis60 couldn't make out is.
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    Originally Posted by thauncle View Post
    There's a few suppliers out of the states that make it my guess is since no one knows what is really in this stuff completely is the real companies shy away from taking a chance on it.any company that puts out a ph,ds type of product is always one user or chemist away from goin outta business.all you need is for one dumbass to do something stupid with your product and you could be in deep #hit.
    mmm hmmm....

    Originally Posted by thauncle View Post
    I at one time during this thread was thinking about buying some for use sometime next year so I did some Google,yahoo etc search work back when this thread started up to see if there was anything on this compound that would reveal what it really is by finding the info in another forum somewhere on the net on a page or study or etc and didn't find anything but i happen to fall onto a few supplier websites.when i say no one knows whats in it i mean who knows if its just pure product or if the supplier or ids is spiking it,maybe the supplier is spiking it or maybe ids has a chemist adding something extra who knows what the mystery item Beejis60 couldn't make out is.
    which one was that? www.methylstenraws.com ??


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    Originally Posted by thauncle View Post
    There's a few suppliers out of the states that make it my guess is since no one knows what is really in this stuff completely is the real companies shy away from taking a chance on it.any company that puts out a ph,ds type of product is always one user or chemist away from goin outta business.all you need is for one dumbass to do something stupid with your product and you could be in deep #hit.
    Maybe we don't know what's exactly in Mass Tabs, but i think we are talking about cloning MethylSten, not Mass Tabs, and we know what is MethylSten (Beejis explained that: MethylSten is 17b-hydroxy-2,17a-dimethyl-1-ene-5a-androstan-3-one -> 1-ene SD)
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    Originally Posted by thauncle View Post
    There's a few suppliers out of the states that make it my guess is since no one knows what is really
    There is a pharma company in Pittsburgh that sells methyl sten and two or three others in China.
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    Originally Posted by beejis60 View Post
    there is a pharma company in pittsburgh that sells methyl sten and two or three others in china.
    "beejis juice" ftw
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