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    Ejaculation Frequency vs. Testosterone Level:
    1. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract - "The purpose of this study is to gain understanding of the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. The serum testosterone concentrations of 28 volunteers were investigated daily during abstinence periods after ejaculation for two phases. The authors found that the fluctuations of testosterone levels from the 2nd to 5th day of abstinence were minimal. On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01). No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak. Ejaculation is the precondition and beginning of the special periodic serum testosterone level variations, which would not occur without ejaculation. The results showed that ejaculation-caused variations were characterized by a peak on the 7th day of abstinence; and that the effective time of an ejaculation is 7 days minimum. These data are the first to document the phenomenon of the periodic change in serum testosterone level; the correlation between ejaculation and periodic change in the serum testosterone level, and the pattern and characteristics of the periodic change." also in http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ystem2.PEntrez
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    2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract - "This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males."
    3. American population testosterone level dropped about 50 ng/dl for men at around age 64-65 between 2 groups of men born in 1920-1924 and 1930-1934, according to in http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/reprint/92/1/196. When the 1920-1924 group reached the median age 65, their mean testosterone level was 500 ng/dl; when the 1930-1934 group reached the median age 56 and 64, their mean testosterone was 529 ng/dl and 444 ng/dl, respectively. The 1930-1934 group has a testosterone drop rate at about 10.65 ng/dl per year during ages 56-64. This report also shows that the testosterone drop rate generally becomes faster for the men from 55 to 65. If we use the same annual drop rate of the 1930-1934 group, the extrapolated, averaged testosterone level of of 20 year old men born during 1930-1934 should be about 911 ng/dl. Assuming that the mean 20-year old testosterone level for both groups are the same is about 911 ng/dl, the overall-averaged testosterone drop for the 1920-1924 group is about 9.13 ng/dl/year, while the overall-averaged testosterone drop for the 1930-1934 group is about 10.61 ng/dl/year I suspect the higher masturbation/ejaculation frequency in the younger generation after the 60's sexual revolution resulted in a higher cortisol/ prolactin level (or faster ageing of the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal and -testicular axis) accelerates the testosterone drop, since some high-frequency over-masturbation young men experience male menopause (andropause) between ages 20-30.
    4. Our observations for healthy ejaculation frequency (or refraction times) vs age, in order to maximize the testosterone level, are:
    1. 4-7 times per week for teenagers of age 16-19.
    2. 3-6 times per week for young men of age 20-25.
    3. 3-5 times per week for young men of age 25-30.
    4. 2-4 times per week for men of age 30-45,
    5. 1-3 times per week for men of age 45-60,
    6. 1-2 times every 10 days for men of age 60-70.
    7. No more than once a week days after age 70
    Lovemaking orgasms stimulate the pituitary to release oxytocin for a faster recovery; while masturbation may not help the pituitary to release enough oxytocin. Therefore, the masturbation ejaculation frequency should be limited to the low limit as possible as you can. If your ejaculation orgasm produces sexual exhaustion symptoms, your ejaculation frequency should be lower than the listed above. The actual ejaculation frequency is associated the refraction (recovery time) of the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal, -thyroid and -testicular axis. The energetic time (full recovery with powering up) for a man having a morning (8 AM) testosterone level at 350-400 nd/gl is about 7 days when his testosterone level reach its peak, over 500 ng/dl. If he keeps this ejaculation frequency, he will likely maintain his testosterone level around 450-550 ng/dl, thereafter. A man with a high testosterone level of 700 ng/dl or higher can re-erect the penis in a few minutes after ejaculating if his pituitary doesn't overshoot his prolactin level, but it doesn't mean he can ejaculate again. This is because the ability of penile re-erection can be associated with the dopamine nervous action on the pituitary oxytocin and prolactin release and the stimulation of testosterone, nitric oxide, prostaglandin E1 and prostaglandin E2 stimulation on the prostate and penile erectile nerves. Prostaglandin E2 can re-erect the post-ejaculating penis again when the oxytocin level is high and the prolactin level is not overshooting out of the range. The prostaglandin E2 induced erection usually accompanies a little pains in the prostate, urethra and penis. Even if you can re-erect your penis for sex again, the post-ejaculation elevating cortisol and prolactin will start to lock up the adrenal and testicular function to drop your DHEA and testosterone production few hours after the first ejaculation.
    Like psychological stress or exercise-induced stress, sex-induced stress induces excessive cortisol, prolactin and norepinephrine/epinpehrine release to lock up the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal and -testicular axis during sex or few hours later after orgasm or ejaculation. The neuro-immune-endocrine responses to sex-induced stress can be delayed until cortisol starts to exert its effects on the adrenal cortex, prolactin on the pituitary-testicular axis, and norepinephrine/epinephrine and its induced prolstaglandin E2 overheat the hypothalamus, pituitary, adrenal glands, testicles (ovaries), prostate, liver, lungs, heart and pancreases (for a high glucogan release) via the alpha- and beta -andrenergic receptors. For the same reason, people with chronic stress, no matter from which sources, generally have a lower testosterone level. Over-trained athletes and soldiers and psychologically stressed-out persons are not exceptional. Testosterone and norepinephrine can positively or negatively interact each other through their receptors. Initially, testosterone induces norepinephrine release to give your arousal and heat, and then excessive norepinephrine with a high level of proactin and cortisol reduces testosterone release; on the other hand, without the inhibition effects of excessive prolactin and cortisol, norepinpehrine stimulates testosterone release via action on both alpha- and beta-andrenergic receptors in the adrenal and testicles (ovaries) when the testosterone level is too low. To avoid the inhibition effects of excessive prolactin and cortisol, you need a normal dopamine-hypothlamaus-pituitary-adrenal function. Any way, there are a lot of researches backing up the claim about the interaction among the nervous, immune and endocrine system:
    Ref: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...=&_orig=search
    &_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVe rsion=0&_userid=10&md5=2ddd3a7402479afca7ce03f4b59 238f9
    http://hyper.ahajournals.org/cgi/con...tract/32/5/880
    http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2480820
    http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?scri...nrm=iso&tlng=e
    http://www.biolreprod.org/cgi/content/abstract/40/3/541
    http://www.popline.org/docs/0198/751348.html
    http://hyper.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/17/6/1104.pdf
    http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15071810
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1337237
    http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/con...ll/144/11/4923

    The following research suggests the inflammatory cytokine IL-1beta and its induced prostaglandin E2 can stimulate the hypothalamus to induce release of norepinephrine, dopamine, and serotonin as a feedback control.
    http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/reprint/13/8/3574

    This article suggest norepinephrine control the feedback of LH secretion in the hypothalamus-pituitary-testicular axis - http://www.popline.org/docs/0188/761130.html

    You will get more explanation in the following about the role of norepinephrine and epinephrine in the sexual arousal, orgasm responses, sexual exhaustion symptoms, and neuro-immune function.
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    Case Study - Destruction produced by Male over-ejaculation/over-masturbation or Female Over-Masturbation/excessive orgasm for no sexual orgasm. Reader:01/06/2002>
    I tend to suffer from premature ejaculation. It varies how quickly it occurs but it almost always occurs before I desire it to. Until about 2 years ago, I masterbated almost daily (sometimes more than that). I am now 30 and have done so since age 12 or so. I suffer from depression although I currently take no medicine for it (I have taken medicine before). I have suffered from unknown lower back pain since I was 16. I also tend to have severe eye floaters and have been losing my hair since I was 23. I would appreciate your advice on how to overcome this problem.
    Dr. Lin: 01/09/2002>
    You have experienced the typical symptoms of sexual exhaustion due to over-masturbation since your puberty.
    Over-masturbation or over-ejaculation over-discharges the brain's acetylcholine, dopamine, and serotonin nerves systems, resulting in brain's/nervous (pro-sympathetic, due to over-conversion of dopamine to norepinephrine and epinephrine for stress responses), liver, cardiovascular, kidney, and endocrine disorder, and then burns them out with chronically excessive norepinephrine/epinephrine/sympathetic nervous fires, the induced inflammatory hormone prostaglandin E2, glutamate, histamine, 3,4-dihydroxyphenylacetaldehyde (DOPAL - please read: http://parkinsons.hopedigest.com/blo...nsons_disease), dihydroxyphenylacetic acid (DOPAC - please read http://www.ohiolink.edu/etd/send-pdf...kent1164141349 and http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...0004/art00023), 3,4-dihydroxyphenylglycolaldehyde (DOPEGAL - please read: http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/cgi/reprint/56/3/331 ) and 3,4-dihydroxyphenylglycol (DHPG - lease read: http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/cgi/reprint/56/3/331 ). Your brain/neuro-endocrine and liver systems are like an over-discharged good-old-day car battery (overcharge causes chemical/mineral deposits on the electrodes of acid batteries made before 1980 and ruin them) which won't start the engine to perform recharging for itself. Some nervous cells are burned out or damaged by the nervous excitotoxicity and inflammation byproducts listed above. As a result of the exhaustion of your pituitary-adrenal and -testicular axis, the production of your androgen hormones (DHEA, androstenedione testosterone and DHT) and pituitary oxytocin become too low to support your neuro-immune function and to suppress the inflammatory hormone prostaglandin E2 release from your body - typically from your brain/head/neck, your pelvic organs, and your internal organs between your neck and pelvic cavity. The excess- orgasm or over-ejaculation induced prolactin, cortisol, norepinephrine and epinephrine, if excessive, can disable the pituitary-testicular (or -ovarian) axis for a few days or even months, leading to a long refraction time or a long-term sexual exhaustion and inflammation. Even, excessive prolactin, cortisol, noepinephrine and/or epinephrine in the bloodstream can induce excessive prostaglandin E2 release from the tissues. In fact, chronic elevation of epinephrine and prostaglandin E2 result in nervous excitotoxicity and cellular damage in the brain cells and the vagal or parasympathetic nerves in the liver, lungs, adrenal, heart, blood vessels, digestive system, pancreas, gallbladder, ovaries, uterus, cervix, testicles and prostate. Men also suffer from deficiency of the key semen chemicals such as potassium, zinc, calcium, magnesium, citric acid, androgen hormones (DHEA, androstenedione, testosterone and DHT), fructose, phosphorylcholine (for the brain/memory/vision/hearing/nervous sensing systems), spermine, prostatic acid phosphatase, free amino acids (most important ones includes GABA, glycine, agmatine and 5-HTP associated with brain/liver/adrenal/testicular functions, vision, hearing, sympathetic nervous control and mood) , prostaglandins (prostaglandins E1 and E3 for the elasticity and flexibility of tissues, nerves and blood vessels) and enzymes that support the androgen hormones and neurotransmitter syntheses. Unfortunately, the sexual exhaustion symptoms and inflammatory responses are a result of a low DHEA, androstenedione testosterone, DHT and/or oxytocin with a high or excessive level of prolactin, cortisol, norepinephrine and epinephrine, although you won't see a drop of your androgen hormones in couple hours right after the orgasm-induced prolactin and cortisol release. However, you may experience the pro-inflammatory neuro-immune responses to the sex-induced stress hormones norepinephrine and epinephrine during sex arousal and orgasm/ejaculation or even several days by activating a group of proinflammatory cytokines such as IL-1{alpha}, IL-1?, IL-6, TNF-{alpha}, IFN-{alpha}, and MIP-1 and protein kinases A and C in the the immune system via the alpha- and beta-adrenergic receptors in cells. The proinflammatory cytokines, acting as the endogenous pyrogen of desire fires, can trigger excessive norepinephrine-induced prostaglandin E2 production in the adrenergic receptors everywhere, from your scalp down to your toes. And then epinephrine will induces cutaneous mechanical hyperalgesia and sensitizes the dorsal root ganglion neurons via its action at a beta -adrenergic receptor and the effects of epinephrine are enhanced by both the inflammatory protein kinases A and C second-messenger pathways for enhancement of inflammatory responses. When the elevated prolactin, cortisol, norepinephrine and epinephrine constrict your arteries to your liver, kidneys, adrenal glands and testicles (ovaries for women) after sex, your adrenal and testicular (or ovarian) function will be disabled or shut down for many hours or days - http://www.actionlove.com/#Ejaculati...terone%20Level
    Suppression of androgen hormones production by excessive prolactin and cortisol, in conjunction with constriction of the arteries in the brain, liver, adrenal glands and testicles, will continue weakening your neuro-immune reaction for proinflammation, and prolong your recovery time and post-orgasm/post-ejaculation exhaustion and illness - http://www.actionlove.com/#Sexually%...matory%20Pains,
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    Warning: sexual arousal, ejaculation or orgasm won't decrease your androgen hormonal level in the bloodstream immediately. If sexual arousal fires up your cortisol and prolactin to let your penis go limp (the sympathetic nervous Flight response to sexual stimulation and stress), you give up sexual activities immediately. This is because the elevation of prolactin and cortisol block your hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal and -testicular axis which are supposed to fire up oxytocin, DHEA, androstenedione, testosterone and DHT production for your ongoing sexual excitation and orgasm. I consider that going limp during sex is a natural protection of your hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal and -testicular axis. If you force yourself to ejaculation or orgasm after your experience the erectile dysfunction during sex, you will be in trouble. This is because, once androgen hormones in the bloodstream are used up and become too low to support your brain/nerves, internal organs and joints/muscles, you will start to experience the post-orgasm/post-ejaculation sexual exhaustion symptoms. Generally, these symptoms start to show up at about 3-8 hours after ejaculation or orgasm. The symptoms can last for 3-10 days until your brain's hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal and-testicular axis start to kick in. During this suffering period, you have to rely on your skin/tissue's Cutaneous Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Adrenal (CHPA) function to assist post-ejaculation or post-orgasm recovery. Due to the link of the hypothalamus-pituitary-thyroid axis, you may also experience the symptoms associated with thyroid disorders. You will also like to experience hair loss too ( http://www.actionlove.com/extra/hailoss.htm ) For the functional equivalent of human hair follicles to the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis, please read http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/reprint/04-1968fjev1 (also http://edrv.endojournals.org/cgi/reprint/21/5/457). When excessive sex stressed out your HPA, it also burned out your hair follicles, in particularly, with a high DHT, inflammatory hormone prostaglandin E2, cortisol, norepinephrine and epinephrine level and with a constriction of the blood vessels in your scalp when chronic prolactin, norepinephrine and epinephrine level run high. You can get more information form the home page of http://actionlove.com for more detail. Using prescribed erectile drugs, the PDE-5 inhibitors, to assist erection for sex will mess up your neuro-endocrine function for sexual exhaustion.
    Please also note that the extremely exhausted adrenal function can cause an extreme low level of DHEA, endophrin and cortisol. An abnormal cortisol level or a lack of endorphin indicates the adrenal function disorder, fatigue or excessive orgasm/ejaculation induced stress. Excessive orgasm or over-ejaculation can produce a transient shooting or cortisol and epinephrine and result in a long-term effect on the adrenal function, although the cortisol output may become too low or too high few days after sexual activities, with a constant elevation of epinephrine released from the hypothalamus and the adrenal medulla. It should be aware that prostaglandin E2 is an immune suppressor, as well as an nervous excitor. Excessive prostaglandin E2 in the bloodstream causes not only inflammatory, but also weak neuro-immunity. As a result, sexual exhaustion produce multiple symptoms which become UFO for the western doctors and medical societies since the western doctors and medical societies fail to realize the root of the problems, "enjoying too much sexual pleasure." If you don't go after the root of the problems, there is no way to solve the sexual exhaustion symptoms.
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    For more information or our over-10-year collection of sexual exhaustion symptoms, please go to
    http://www.actionlove.com/extra/over.htm
    http://www.actionlove.com/extra/over2.htm and
    http://actionlove.com/extra/girloversex.htm
    The sexual exhaustion symptoms include:
    1. daily or orgasmic/ejaculation pains or cramps in pelvic cavity - including low back, tail bone, perineum, groins, perineum, penis (clitoris/vagina for women during penetration, intercourse, orgasm or post orgasm), testicles, low abdomen, neck/shoulders or rear brain (or whole head)- due to a lack of the relaxation and tissue-elastic hormone prostaglandin E-1 synthesized by the local tissues, an abrupt drop of the brain's neurotransmitters acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin and GABA, or an excessive conversion of the dopamine->norepinephrine->epinephrine.
    2. depression, stress , anxiety, and emotional instability (Mood Swing) - due to deficiency of the neurotransmitters acetylcholine, dopamine, serotonin add GABA.
    3. Attention Deficiency and Absence mind (losing mind concentration and memory) - due to the deficiency of the brain's neurotransmitters serotonin and acetylcholine - memory protection failure or insufficient memory.
    4. eye floaters or sun-light sensitive eyes, blurred vision or sympathetic nervous pupil dilation - due to disorders of the nervous sensing (acetylcholine nervous) and amplifier (dopamine nervous) circuits, a deficiency of the serotonin/GABA nervous modulation in retina, excessive stress hormones, or a poor retinal blood circulation or an arterial constriction due to deficiency of prostaglandin E-1 or/and Nitric oxide or sympathetic nervous action on the beta receptors, or an excessive inflammatory hormone prostaglandin E2 release induced by deficiency of the androgen hormones or excessive stressors cortisol or epinephrine.
    5. buzzing ears - the same as Item 4..
    6. less or no seminal/lubrication production (vaginal dryness for women and VAGINISMUS ), weak ejaculation or ejaculation dysfunction - watery ejaculation or no ejaculation or orgasm - due to the neuro-endocrine disorder resulting from the weakening liver, adrenal, prostate and testicular (ovarian) functions. This is the destruction of seminal production mechanism for men. For women, it is due to a low estrogen and androstenedione/testosterone/prostaglandin E-1/oxytocin or/and a high progesterone level in the bloodstream.
    7. weak erection or youth impotence.
    8. low libido, exhaustion and fatigue due to deficiency of the brain's neurotransmitters dopamine, acetylcholine and serotonin and a lack of oxytocin.
    9. prostatitis or urethitis ( the abrasion of the prostate or urethral duct; easier to have prostate/urethral/bladder infection) , urinary or bowel incontinence, pelvic pains (Interstitial Cystitis (IC) , testicular pains, penile pains, and clitoral numbness or pains as a result of excessive inflammatory prostaglandin E-2 release with a deficiency of healing hormone prostaglandin E-1 - disorders of the 3rd brain - the pelvic parasympathetic nerves S1-S5 and Co and the serotonin nervous modulators for the sympathetic T10-L2, particularly the L1 and L2 nervous branches to the bladder, urethra, prostate, bulbourethral glands, Great Vestibular glands, Urethral glands (de-generated seminal vesicles), clitoris, vagina, uterus and rectum/anus. men produces excessive pre-cum and women are vaginally over-wetted. Men or women may experience sex-/orgasm-induced stress incontinence (leakage or ejaculation of urine during sex or orgasm).
    10. penile (clitoral or G-spot for women) shrinkage ( or vaginal enlargement or loosening for women) - due to atrophy of spongy tissues caused by nervous damage, deficiency of acetylcholine or/and Nitric Oxide, or excessive stress hormone in the sympathetic alpha receptors.
    11. unwanted penile bending and shrinking (the clitoral/G-spot death and shrinkage)- formation of the scar tissues due to tissue and nervous abrasion .
    12. premature ejaculation - damage of the prostate/urethral nerves and duct, and burning-out (drop) of the serotonin and acetylcholine level in the brain and nervous synapses.
    13. premature hair loss or decoloring.
    14. short breathing and irregular cardiovascular output (sympathetic) - a weakening brain's acetylcholine/serotonin and parasympathetic/vagus nervous function.
    15. white or violet nails - deficiency of Zinc.
    16. weak immunity - neuro-immune disorder resulting from the deficiency of the neurotransmitters acetylcholine (Yin Chi) and dopamine (Yang Chi). For example, easy to catch cool or get sick and requiring a longer time to get recovery from sickness.
    17. Sleeping disorder and its associated symptoms- due to the deficiency of serotonin and melatonin, both of which are synthesized by the pineal gland with GABA and norepinephrine, or due to excessive pituitary LH and FSH hormones in an attempt to revive a weak/dying testicular/ovarian function, or due to excessive Yang-type stressor epinephrine in the cerebrospinal fluid. This causes a deficiency hGH and excessive inflammatory hormone prostaglandin E-2 release into the bloodstream, an undercharging of the parasympathetic nervous system, and an excessive sympathetic nervous fire (Flight or Fight), resulting in back/joint/ligament pains or cramps, urinary or bowel incontinence, Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS), prostatitis or urethritis, as a result of no or insufficient healing (restoration) power (prostaglandin E-1) in the organs. muscles, ligaments and joints. Please note that excessive Ying-type stressor cortisol causes hGH, DHEA and testosterone deficiency and induces drowsiness over-sleeping, blurred vision, and hangover.
    18. organ functional disorders in the 2nd brain (between the neck and pelvis) due to the weakening of the vagus (parasympathetic) nerves and the weakening serotonin nervous modulation on the sympathetic nervous functions - the most typical ones are: digestive , cardiovascular and liver systems; some experience the gallbladder and pancreas functional disorders too. The most visual or sensible disorder is stomach pain or digestive panic.
    19. Excessive Sweating - the sympathetic/epinephrine nervous fires burning the entire body due to an constantly excessive dopamine/norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion in the hypothalamus and adrenal medulla.
    20. Headaches or migraines - due to excessive inflammatory hormone prostaglandin E-2 release and excessive dopamine/norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion in the brain after the acetylcholine, serotonin and GABA nervous system were exhausted by excessive sex.
    21. Fatigue, tiredness and exhaustion - the parasympathetic nervous recharging/healing system is out of order; the pituitary releases excessive prolactin to shut down the testicular function.
    22. Muscle weakness - due to deficiency of DHEA, testosterone or DHT. This results from exhaustion of the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal and/or testicular axis.
    23. Muscle Tremors/Twitching (pre-Parkinson's symptoms) - due to deficiency of dopamine and acetylcholine.
    24. Weak neuro-immune function and persistent inflammation - easy to get infection or catch flu or cold, sinus, allergy, or/and sore throat.
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    I give up, I was just trying to help people by revealing this information to them but these ****ing idiots ruined my thread. **** this site.
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    this is a good lot of information.

    It really does make a differnce. If you quit the extra faps a week it can add up, also sex with a partner ( of opp. sex via chemistry and all) is much different than just fappin...

    There is a different hormonal cascade. Especially, involving cortsiol and prolactin....etc
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    This is some very interesting reading indeed. It really makes you wonder.
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    So what you're saying is I need to stop having sex in order to get big....

























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    thats just to much to read. i beat off and have a good amount of sex and I still have some size.
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    An excellent thread, GOTSPEED.
    I had wondered about the effects of masturbation, before.
    I'm going to try to go a week without it, starting today, and see how it goes.

    Thanks for the info!
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    its not saying you wont make any gains if you have sex or masterbate. LOL

    sex and masterbation is totally different also.
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    Originally Posted by DatPhantom View Post
    An excellent thread, GOTSPEED.
    I had wondered about the effects of masturbation, before.
    I'm going to try to go a week without it, starting today, and see how it goes.

    Thanks for the info!
    trying going a month w/o it dude.

    i guess i can beleive the study that test levels didnt rise after a week. but seriously i notice A LOT of different crap when I dont masterbate for long long periods of time in good ways.
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    Originally Posted by BodyMan123 View Post
    trying going a month w/o it dude.

    i guess i can beleive the study that test levels didnt rise after a week. but seriously i notice A LOT of different crap when I dont masterbate for long long periods of time in good ways.
    I tried going for a month once.
    Lasted about two weeks.

    What can I say? I like masturbating, as does any guy.

    Really raises the question...
    Do you think it's worth it? Maybe I will try to go a month now myself, again. Lol.
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    I become an ******* if i go more than 4 or 5 days my longest was 9 days who cares if your test level is a little higher i need to do it every few days to stay sane. Good article though.
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    You wouldn't believe how many people come to me with this question. I tell the crazy horndogs that it seriously drops your levels just just to keep them away from my cat, or even the tree in the front yard, for that matter.
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    why the **** didnt you just post this in my thread???

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=110099901
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    Originally Posted by DatPhantom View Post
    I tried going for a month once.
    Lasted about two weeks.

    What can I say? I like masturbating, as does any guy.

    Really raises the question...
    Do you think it's worth it? Maybe I will try to go a month now myself, again. Lol.
    Well depends... I think its worth it..Energy and Moodwise alone..

    It takes 72 days for sperm to be made. So try going that long w/o masterbating. You should be fully loaded by that time. haha
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    Thumbs down

    if u dont use it u loss it
    i went 2months and my cock was weak 4 days
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    Originally Posted by Ravishing_Rick View Post
    if u dont use it u loss it
    i went 2months and my cock was weak 4 days
    are you serious?? In my experience it was the exact opposite.
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    Originally Posted by BodyMan123 View Post
    are you serious?? In my experience it was the exact opposite.
    it even got smaller 4 a while
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    Originally Posted by Ravishing_Rick View Post
    it even got smaller 4 a while
    I disagree, I think it makes you bigger in the long run. However you may be smaller while not masterbating just due to the fact that your erections aren't as hardcore when you are actually masterbating.

    No masterbation for months--->masterbate= bigger than you normally would be masterbating everyday. just me and my experiences though.
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    Originally Posted by BodyMan123 View Post
    I disagree, I think it makes you bigger in the long run. However you may be smaller while not masterbating just due to the fact that your erections aren't as hardcore when you are actually masterbating.

    No masterbation for months--->masterbate= bigger than you normally would be masterbating everyday. just me and my experiences though.
    heard masturbation is very healthy

    give you healthy hair, it cuts cancer risks, it helps relieve period pain in girls,it relieves stress, relieves migraines, and boosts your emmune system
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    Originally Posted by Ravishing_Rick View Post
    heard masturbation is very healthy

    give you healthy hair, it cuts cancer risks, it helps relieve period pain in girls,it relieves stress, relieves migraines, and boosts your emmune system
    for every find that says masterbating is healthy you could also find one that says it's not.
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    Originally Posted by Ravishing_Rick View Post
    it even got smaller 4 a while
    Nah, it was always that small bro.
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    Originally Posted by BodyMan123 View Post
    for every find that says masterbating is healthy you could also find one that says it's not.
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    Thats where I draw the line. Stop talking nonsense unless you have something other than anecdotal proof, preferably evidence from a double blind study. Kthx

    p.s. for someone who's attempting to convey his vast knowledge on this particular subject, you may want to start spelling masterbating as masturbating.

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