How is this even possible?

[CHS55]

ZAICHIKOV Alexandr
DOB 17.08.1992

Country KAZ

Bodyweight 82.95

Snatch 127

Clean and Jerk170

Total 297

This person is YOUNGER than me by 4 months, yet his total is 60 kg over mine. How are other countries so overdeveloped when juxtaposed with America? I'm not doubting the validity of this lifter by any means, I'm just in utter disbelief that I feel like I've come so far since when I started, but I'm still lagging so far behind in the world.

[GoJu]

ZAICHIKOV Alexandr
DOB 17.08.1992

Country KAZ

Bodyweight 82.95

Snatch 127

Clean and Jerk170

Total 297

This person is YOUNGER than me by 4 months, yet his total is 60 kg over mine. How are other countries so overdeveloped when juxtaposed with America? I'm not doubting the validity of this lifter by any means, I'm just in utter disbelief that I feel like I've come so far since when I started, but I'm still lagging so far behind in the world.

just some young monsters out there man
probably been training since he was younger than 10

is that in comp or in training? either way, even some of the US best juniors struggle to do around 170 clean&jerk and thats in the 94/105/105+!

I don't like bringing it up but drugs gotta help too I think

[CHS55]

Yeah, I really wish that I woulda started out early too. I wasn't introduced to olympic lifting until I was 14. :[

He did that in a competition back in August, somewhere in Asia. Yeah, that's what I find so crazy as well. I want to catch back up to these guys, but patellar tendonitis is rendering me as rather hopeless.

Guess all I can do is work my upper body, but I want to catch up. Man.

Yeah, I mean I might suspect the use of drugs, but idk, that would just be dismissing them entirely when I have no way of knowing if they did or didn't. Either way, they are still my competition, and I want to catch up.

[gewaltiger]

atleast you knew oly lifting existed by your age. i didnt until i was 18, and started at age 19 about 6 months ago.

[RyHam]

It will probably take me 2 years of additional training until I can CJ what that kid snatches. I hate the world....

But seriously, it is just unhealthy to compare oneself to any of the Eastern bloc or China. They have their youngins' snatching broomsticks in grade 4.

[crackyflipside]

Imagine how I feel when Aramnau is only 1 day older than me????

[gewaltiger]

Imagine how I feel when Aramnau is only 1 day older than me????

lmao.

[BabyJan3]

You can all do better if you stop comparing yourselves. =)

[J.L.C.]

Top notch coaching and attention to details like recovery go a long well - of course this is easier to accomplish when a country has a vested interest in the sport.

[CHS55]

You can all do better if you stop comparing yourselves. =)

No point in going anywhere if you have no destination in mind.

[raffiki]

ZAICHIKOV Alexandr
DOB 17.08.1992

Country KAZ

Bodyweight 82.95

Snatch 127

Clean and Jerk170

Total 297

This person is YOUNGER than me by 4 months, yet his total is 60 kg over mine. How are other countries so overdeveloped when juxtaposed with America? I'm not doubting the validity of this lifter by any means, I'm just in utter disbelief that I feel like I've come so far since when I started, but I'm still lagging so far behind in the world.

Maybe his goals don't include a powerlifting total.

[CHS55]

Maybe his goals don't include a powerlifting total.

Franco Colombo managed to attain great totals in both powerlifting and olympic lifting; he believed that by competing in various lifts, they worked synergistically in order to supplement each other. I am a strong proponent of this belief.

Plus it sounds so cool. :]

[J.L.C.]

Franco Colombo managed to attain great totals in both powerlifting and olympic lifting; he believed that by competing in various lifts, they worked synergistically in order to supplement each other. I am a strong proponent of this belief.

Plus it sounds so cool. :]

Regardless of what sounds cool, Raffiki makes a great point. The lifter you first posted about is likely training solely for the olympic lifts and not dinging his recovery and training by spreading his efforts across a wider range of lifts.

Maybe you should decide which lifter(s) you want to compare yourself to...

[CHS55]

Regardless of what sounds cool, Raffiki makes a great point. The lifter you first posted about is likely training solely for the olympic lifts and not dinging his recovery and training by spreading his efforts across a wider range of lifts.

Maybe you should decide which lifter(s) you want to compare yourself to...

Haha, I haven't even been lifting at all lately because of the tendinitis in my knee. I primarily lift olympic style, but I really see the benefits of lifting different styles. Really contributes to keeping muscle confusion optimal. I saw a huge jump in my lifts by changing things up, and will continue to do it that way until it stops working. I've read news snippets of other fellow olympic lifters who are true fans of this method.

[J.L.C.]

Haha, I haven't even been lifting at all lately because of the tendinitis in my knee. I primarily lift olympic style, but I really see the benefits of lifting different styles. Really contributes to keeping muscle confusion optimal. I saw a huge jump in my lifts by changing things up, and will continue to do it that way until it stops working. I've read news snippets of other fellow olympic lifters who are true fans of this method.

Do you have a coach?

Sometimes 'muscle confusion' isn't the best approach, especially in a discipline where speed and motor patterns are crucial.

[CHS55]

Do you have a coach?

Sometimes 'muscle confusion' isn't the best approach, especially in a discipline where speed and motor patterns are crucial.

Yup.

Strength will always be issue, I think. Developing it always leaves room for error. Consistency in technique will only come with time, and when I do become consistent, I will have the strength to come along with it to hopefully produce big numbers. Maybe this thinking is wrong. I'll find out.

[GoJu]

Regardless of what sounds cool, Raffiki makes a great point. The lifter you first posted about is likely training solely for the olympic lifts and not dinging his recovery and training by spreading his efforts across a wider range of lifts.

Maybe you should decide which lifter(s) you want to compare yourself to...

lots of lifts seems to work with the chinese and the russians and they train soley for the lifts too, bud charninga even said he saw klokov training with light bodybuilding movements along with the lifts in the training halls leading up to the olympics

[madaozeki]

lots of lifts seems to work with the chinese and the russians and they train soley for the lifts too, bud charninga even said he saw klokov training with light bodybuilding movements along with the lifts in the training halls leading up to the olympics

Perhaps, but a bit of bodybuilding work or assistance work is a far cry from trying to be a competitive powerlifter at the same time as Oly lifting! It's simply never been shown that practicing slow, max deadlifts improves the clean, and slow, grinding, powerlifting squats certainly don't help front squats (clean recovery). Benching is more or less orthogonal to Oly lifting; some can handle is and some can't.

[GoJu]

Perhaps, but a bit of bodybuilding work or assistance work is a far cry from trying to be a competitive powerlifter at the same time as Oly lifting! It's simply never been shown that practicing slow, max deadlifts improves the clean, and slow, grinding, powerlifting squats certainly don't help front squats (clean recovery). Benching is more or less orthogonal to Oly lifting; some can handle is and some can't.

hmmm, just because someone is trying to improve his powerlifting total doesn't necessarily mean they are using conventional powerlifting form; if I ever competed in a PL meet my squat would be an olympic style with as much as a bounce as I could muster, my deadlift would look like my cleans first pull (of course it would be slower because it is heavier! also I'm sure you're aware not every powerlifters deadlifts consistently in training), and the bench would look like a bodybuilders; I would imagine this is what CHS55's would look like as well.

[J.L.C.]

lots of lifts seems to work with the chinese and the russians and they train soley for the lifts too, bud charninga even said he saw klokov training with light bodybuilding movements along with the lifts in the training halls leading up to the olympics

If you've got the genetics and performance to be 'selected' as a top-tier lifter in the Chinese or Russian system., by all means train like they do.

If however you are a mere mortal like myself, a training protocol more suited to your own needs might be more appropriate.

I just don't it necessarily beneficial for beginners to try and train like the world's elite lifters...

[CHS55]

hmmm, just because someone is trying to improve his powerlifting total doesn't necessarily mean they are using conventional powerlifting form; if I ever competed in a PL meet my squat would be an olympic style with as much as a bounce as I could muster, my deadlift would look like my cleans first pull (of course it would be slower because it is heavier! also I'm sure you're aware not every powerlifters deadlifts consistently in training), and the bench would look like a bodybuilders; I would imagine this is what CHS55's would look like as well.

Oh I guess I forgot to mention that. My stance in the deadlift is almost the exact same as my stance in the clean in terms of foot spacing. I use the hook grip as well when I deadlift. I don't change my squatting technique either. I'm mainly working my chest to increase the size, and I really do feel that the back and chest are interdependent of each other, and that if one is lacking, that it will cause the other body part to lag behind if they aren't in proportion to each other.

I just don't it necessarily beneficial for beginners to try and train like the world's elite lifters...

It's not like I'm on some elite training program, its something that bodybuilders of Arnold's era made well known. Sure, you'll get better at clean and jerk by doing the lift thousands and thousands of times, but there are exercises that can help and boost the muscle stimuli. Arthur Dreschler's Weightlifting Encyclopedia even mentions this approach. I really think that doing this helped me come a long way.

I actually think I remember reading a newspaper article about Chris Lenahen trying different ways of training in order to give himself an edge too; pushing his coach's expedition up a hill was one of those approaches.

Looking more like a figure from Greek mythology than a high school student, Chris Lenahen braces his shoulder on the back of his coach’s Ford Escape, repositions his slipping feet and attempts to push the 3,000-pound SUV up an incline on Episcopal High School’s campus.

Normally, few weightlifters would tackle this unorthodox training technique but, as coach Jesse Reynolds reminds Lenahen from the driver’s seat, "Three men every four years make the Olympic team."

With that, Lenahen, who weighs about 186 pounds, gets a burst of strength, refocuses and pushes the vehicle all the way back to its parking spot.

It's muscle confusion. The body quickly adapts. If I get the mechanics down perfectly, what would be the purpose if I didn't have the strength to back it?

[Baker19]

He did that total at 15, thats impressive.