what is the history of this photo

[flaxman78]

i think there r argumenting about HIT AND VOLUME TRAIniNG

[Duckenheimer]

The photo was created in Magoria by the crafty scoundrel Lilac McGee who liked to baffle art exhibitions with his invisible galleries.

He won quite a few modern art prizes.

[flaxman78]

This Is The Pic

[Froglegs88]

I'm guessing this was before the 80 olympia? If it was at the 80 O, I remember reading about an argument. Mentzer was pissed that Arnold came back and that they let him enter, and Arnold said that mentzer wouldn't win anyways with his huge gut rolling all over the stage

[fantell]

basically arnold wanted the competition to be returned to tall class and short class .Obviously he felt he could win that class .The others voted against it as they felt they would beat Arnold the legend after the voting a basic argument ensued where Arnold was rude and Mentzer stood up for himself and Arnold backed down.The main bb.com site has an interview with Boyer Coe who was there and was part of the argument and he tells just what happened.

[iDarren]

basically arnold wanted the competition to be returned to tall class and short class .Obviously he felt he could win that class .The others voted against it as they felt they would beat Arnold the legend after the voting a basic argument ensued where Arnold was rude and Mentzer stood up for himself and Arnold backed down.The main bb.com site has an interview with Boyer Coe who was there and was part of the argument and he tells just what happened.

link please :-)

[gladiator_75]

As far as I know (and I maybe wrong) this is the 1980 Mr. O! Arnold was just doing the movie (Conan The Barbarian) and he was in great shape which made him think about doing the Olympia. As far as I know mike mentzer knew about it right there and then (don't know how things used to work back then) and he got so angry about Arnold being back in the Mr. O and he picked a fight with him right there about that in that pic!

I maybe wrong, but this is what I know about this picture ..

[TrainOfThought]

I heard that Arnie took Mentzers jug of water and poured a pound of sugar in it, causing Mentzer to spill over. A few minutes later Mezters pointed the finger to Arnie saying "you son of a....." Arnold would soon be crowned.

[Captain Sagara]

I heard that Arnie took Mentzers jug of water and poured a pound of sugar in it, causing Mentzer to spill over. A few minutes later Mezters pointed the finger to Arnie saying "you son of a....." Arnold would soon be crowned.

He did not used sugar but the first formula ever made for dat dere celltech,wait,yes sugar...

[WaterBlender]

Guys, there was an article covering this issue on bb.com

basically, it wasn't just arnold and mentzer talking, everyone gathered together to have meeting to decide whether or not arnold should be allowed to compete.

[sargemaki]

Arnold really didnt deserve it imo

[Big Slim DaDDy]

i think there r argumenting about HIT AND VOLUME TRAIniNG

They are so not doing that.

[Darren in Gym]

The thing was that Mentzer was tipped to win and then suddenly arnold turns up, arnold was probally doing his thing, talking him down and stuff, like in pumping iron. and Mentzer started getting into a rouw with arnold.

Yes Arnold wanted to split it back to a short and tall class. But anyway they still had an overall pose down and Mentzer was in the tall class anyway so whats the difference. (in '79 he won the tall and lost to Zane in the overall).

Yeah Arnold wasnt at his best, but he was as good as anyone else and still had the arms and chest to win

[CanuckTank]

Mike was just pissed that arnold reentered and confronted him and Arnold told him if you could fix his big gut he could still win.

True story. It almost cames to blows.

[wlf.vik83]

Here's the story...


ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER RETURNS TO WIN 1980 MR. O








The one contest still debated more than any other is the 1980 Mr. Olympia. As a surprise entrant, Arnold Schwarzenegger returned after a five-year retirement and, smaller yet leaner than in the early '70s, won his seventh Sandow.

At the athletes meeting prior to the show, a verbal (and nearly physical) confrontation erupted between Schwarzenegger and Mike Mentzer.





Mentzer--then 28 and seemingly on the fast track to megasuccess--finished a baffling fifth and never competed again.

Fans still speculate that the contest was fixed in favor of the sport's most popular pro; that Mentzer, Chris Dickerson or Frank Zane should have won.

[Zeneth]

A thread about this got bumped recently and the pics speak for themselves - Mentzer nowhere near deserved the victory.

[_muscles_]

people always say blah blah he didnt deserve to win blah blah. Are you serious? YES it's obvious he wasn't in his best shape but he blew everyone else away EASILY. just look at the pictures.

[stealth_swimmer]

Mentzer--then 28 and seemingly on the fast track to megasuccess--finished a baffling fifth and never competed again.

Fans still speculate that the contest was fixed in favor of the sport's most popular pro; that Mentzer, Chris Dickerson or Frank Zane should have won.

pretty sure Mentzer was 4th but i could be wrong.

[twiztiddevil]

Mentzer--then 28 and seemingly on the fast track to megasuccess--finished a baffling fifth and never competed again.

Fans still speculate that the contest was fixed in favor of the sport's most popular pro; that Mentzer, Chris Dickerson or Frank Zane should have won.

Do what? It's argued that Mentzer should've won however finishes 5th?

When you deserve to win you usually wind up 2nd and worst 3rd... Not 5th lol.

[wlf.vik83]

Do what? It's argued that Mentzer should've won however finishes 5th?

When you deserve to win you usually wind up 2nd and worst 3rd... Not 5th lol.

I just provided the story brah. It was reported by a mag.
Not my opinions.

[Nuki]

Yes the 1980 Olympia was controversial but it was NOTHING compared to what happened in 81. That's by far the most controversial of all Olympias thusfar, and people quickly forgot about Arnold's last win. IMO actually Arnold looked pretty good, yeah he shouldn't have won but he was in the running.

[Fluff]

Strange that a young heavyweight Mr. Olympia comes in fifth a year later

[CanuckTank]

people always say blah blah he didnt deserve to win blah blah. Are you serious? YES it's obvious he wasn't in his best shape but he blew everyone else away EASILY. just look at the pictures.

ummmmmm....no

Blow everyone away? I don't think so.

[CanuckTank]

Do what? It's argued that Mentzer should've won however finishes 5th?

When you deserve to win you usually wind up 2nd and worst 3rd... Not 5th lol.

look at the pics, he was not at the same level of arnold even if arnold wasn't his best.

[Darren in Gym]

pretty sure Mentzer was 4th but i could be wrong.

it was 5th, went:

1 Arnold Schwarzenegger
2 Chris Dickerson
3 Frank Zane
4 Boyer Coe
5 Mike Mentzer

[slik]

Yes the 1980 Olympia was controversial but it was NOTHING compared to what happened in 81. That's by far the most controversial of all Olympias thusfar, and people quickly forgot about Arnold's last win. IMO actually Arnold looked pretty good, yeah he shouldn't have won but he was in the running.

That's exactly what I was going to say. No real controversy here. Now you wanna talk about a fix? 81 Baby! That was ABSOLUTELY ridiculous. Off topic sorry. Guy with a peg leg and one breast takes the title. With all due respect to the great Franco.

[winston43]

That's exactly what I was going to say. No real controversy here. Now you wanna talk about a fix? 81 Baby! That was ABSOLUTELY ridiculous. Off topic sorry. Guy with a peg leg and one breast takes the title. With all due respect to the great Franco.

arnold was badly combed in 1980 . he looks like he was just out of the shower . he cameback to put the small soldiers in their place . mentzer made the mistake of telling people his new method based on arthur jones writngs was the onbly one who is not in the hit and miss category . HIT WAS NEW THEN ANS SOME YOUNG PEOPLE injured themselves trying it . to heavy too fast .. you dont tell tho oak that his way of training was false and unscientific . yes maybe the contest was fixed arnold waek on triceps thighs and back ... they bend the rules to allow him compete ... 31 year of controversies ..

[ZBlacktt]

In on old thread where OP is banned.

[wala]

As far as I can remember, that picture was about Arnold discussing ways with Mike about the best way be separated from Ken who was joined to Arnold at the foot

[jf1]

i think there r argumenting about HIT AND VOLUME TRAIniNG

Mentzer was accusing Arnold of "giving him teh wrong advices".