Dude have you ever read a BB magazine?
If your losing weight you should always try to NOT increase or raise insulin levels because it helps make you FATTER.
If your trying to GROW then raising insulin levels is a great idea. It will force and help shuttle nutrients into your muscles making them grow and aiding in recovery. A bananna or raising insulin levels post workout is a great idea. Add a Bananna to a Protien Shake- Goes great with chocolate. Lots of people do this. Bananas have other great stuff in them too beside just sugar... I don't think eating a banana is a bad idea at all. Go for it.
Raising insulin levels should be avoided for those not trying to gain too much weight.. but if your gonna do it.. post workout is the best time for sure.
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No, when I cut last fall for 3 months I lost about 20 lbs (~1.5lbs/week). I also spiked my insulin almost everyday.
The significance level of spiking insulin is dwarfed by the significance of a caloric deficit while cutting. You won't get fat if you spike insulin on a caloric deficit, no matter how hard you try.
From what I have read (may need someone to clarify), spiking insulin is frowned upon because when your insulin drops after spiking, you get hungry again. With foods that aren't so harsh on insulin levels, there is more of a gradual raising and lowering of your insulin, so that hunger isn't as severe. Less hunger will usually end up meaning less eating for someone not on a strict diet.
Again, someone will probably have to clarify that, just going off of the top of my head.
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04-01-2009, 10:21 AM #36
No your totally correct to some degree.
To clarify your statements are correct... a calorie deficeit is how you lose fat and weight. And if your dieting, and burning more calories than your consuming your going to lose.. regardless of you insulin levels.
Diet and calories have so much more to do with losing fat than insulin does for sure. Your right.
But- If you go do an hour of lifting followed by minutes of cardio at the gym.. and you do not spike insulin levels after the workout for a while.. you will continue to lose and burn fat long after your workout... A totally great idea to do this if your primary goal is to lose fat...
It you come right home and spike your insulin levels and eat calories you will immeadiatly stop burning fat.. infact the high blood sugar, calories and high insulin will begin to store fat... in addition to doing an excellent job repairing your muscles.. aiding in recovery post workout.. and overall good for growth and muscle development.
There is no right or wrong answer.. If your going to spike insulin levels... post workout is the best place to do it. It will help you grow.. and right after your workout the fat storage effect will be minimized.
Spike your insulin levels for no reason.. not after a workout and your definetely not helping yourself lose weight or burn fat.. and you will get hungry sooner and more.. leading to more eating... and so on..
I reccomend spiking insulin levels just after a workout for growth.. but not for losing fat.
Your better to wait a little while after your workout if your trying to lose fat.
And- specifically you should try a carb free or low carb post workout food like a simple whey protien shake without high carbs.. Some eggs or tuna or chicken.. or a RTD Isopure without carbs..
Give your body the protien it needs with some good fats from CLA or FLAX or Fish oil.. without the high carbs and insulin.. and you will have yourself in the perfect position to be burning body fat ! ! !
If your trying to grow-- then forget about even trying to manage your insulin levels.. eat eat eat... it's the easiest and fastest way to grow ! !
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banana(fructose)+milk(lactose)+whey protein= Perfect mixture of sloow/fast digesting, insulin spiking nutrients!
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so much broscience and brologic in this damn thread its pathetic. can someone please inform the man that your muscles can not convert fructose (sugar from fruits) into glycogen for energy use. So while a banana is nutritious, it will only supply glycogen for your liver and not your muscles.
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04-01-2009, 06:29 PM #47
Actually ripe bananas are fairly high in glucose.
Fruits contain both fructose and glucose in varying percentages.
From here - http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/f...-juices/1846/2
1 medium banana contains 14.4 g Sugars of which the sugar breakdown is as follows:
Sucrose 2820 mg
Glucose 5876 mg
Fructose 5723 mgLast edited by terracotta; 04-01-2009 at 06:31 PM.
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Yes, that's why he shouldn't eat his banana's as a singular source for an insulin spike.
This sugar provided by the fruit is supllied directly to the liver, as studies have shown on lab rats whom have consumed a gradual amount of fructose & the end effect was their storage of bodyfat % increased!
Referring to the three ways the body uses glucose, assuming that blood glucose levels are adequate, the glucose will then be stored as glycogen. Muscle does not have the necessary enzymes to synthesize fructose into glycogen; therefore the liver converts this fructose into liver glycogen. It would only take three, 8-ounce glasses of orange juice to fully replenish liver glycogen stores. Since the liver is responsible for supplying energy to the entire body, once its stores are full, a rate limiting enzyme in glucose metabolism, which is responsible for signaling the body to store glucose as glycogen or convert it to fat (phosphofructokinase), signals the body that all stores are full. If the glycogen stores are signaled as full, then the third way our body uses excess glucose is to convert it to fatty acids and store as adipose tissue. In essence, fruit sugar is easily converted to fat. (Link: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/issa14.htm http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16076983)
As always, in moderation, fruit is VERY beneficial!Last edited by AFXC1; 04-01-2009 at 06:43 PM.
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