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My Pheraplex Cycle (Journal)
Looks like I'm back at it again. For those of you who followed my Epistane cycle I thought I would go ahead and log this one as well. Epistane was my first PH cycle ever and it went fairly well. Some of the mistakes I made with it are as follows...
1. I was too chunky, should've got my diet in check first
2. I didn't have my workouts dialed in yet
3. Because I was chunky I bulked for the first week, then incorporated alot of cardio through weeks 2-4, so I used Epistane to cut more than bulk.
4. I didn't eat enough food, to the point that I almost passed out at work a few times, not sure if that helped me shed fat or not, usually not eating is unhealthy.
I learned alot running Epistane, but not all was lost, first I learned alot of things about myself, dieting, training, PHs and when all was said and done, I did drop alot of bodyfat.
This time I'm at it again but I want to run it the way I was supposed to the first time. Pheraplex is a straight bulking steroid and I will use it as such. I've gotten my weight down to 229lbs consistantly and if I had to guess I'm probably in the high teens BF% wise. I'm at a good place and have lost even more fat since my Epi PCT.
Because now I know it's possible for me to get down to a respectable BF%, I plan to eat like a horse, lift like farm equipment, and grow like a weed. I won't be doing ANY cardio during this cycle, this will be straight bulk gaining both fat and muscle, then after PCT I will cut for the rest of the summer.
Wish me luck!
Here is a breakdown of the supplements I will be taking, minus proteins.
Week 1 (Pre-Load)
1 scoop Cycle Support ED
Week 2 (On-Cycle)
30mg P-Plex ED
2 scoop Cycle Support ED
Week 3
30mg P-Plex ED
2 scoop Cycle Support ED
Week 4
30mg P-Plex ED
2 scoop Cycle Support ED
Week 5
30mg P-Plex ED
2 scoop Cycle Support ED
Week 6 (PCT)
1 scoop Cycle Support ED
3 Reversitol Pills ED
2-4 1.5g Kre-Alklyn Pills ED
Week 7
1 scoop Cycle Support ED
2 Reversitol Pills ED
2-4 1.5g Kre-Alklyn Pills ED
Week 8
2 Reversitol Pills ED
4 Post Cycle Support Pills ED
2-4 1.5g Kre-Alklyn Pills ED
3 Lean Xtreme Pills ED
Week 9
1 Reversitol Pills ED
4 Post Cycle Support Pills ED
2-4 1.5g Kre-Alklyn Pills ED
3 Lean Xtreme Pills ED
Week 10
4 Post Cycle Support Pills ED
2-4 1.5g Kre-Alklyn Pills ED
3 Lean Xtreme Pills ED
Week 11
4 Post Cycle Support Pills ED
2-4 1.5g Kre-Alklyn Pills ED
3 Lean Xtreme Pills ED
My Reversitol hadn't come in the mail yet, thats why I had to feature it seperately...
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My Epistane Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113017101
My Pheraplex Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115181261
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03-28-2009, 03:38 AM
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i'll sub, when does this start?
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03-28-2009, 03:56 AM
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Subbed....good luck man! best wishes! 
Just one question,why didn't u go with H-Drol or M-Drol ?
peace!
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03-28-2009, 07:13 AM
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cool beans. I enjoyed following your last cycle. I will be watching this one too.
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03-28-2009, 08:49 AM
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The Party has started!
In for this. Time to get huuuuuge!!!
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03-28-2009, 12:16 PM
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Whats up Jigsaw... I'm with you... Give all you got man... Best of luck.... subbed..
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03-28-2009, 12:52 PM
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My Epistane Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113017101
My Pheraplex Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115181261
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03-28-2009, 12:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott_
i'll sub, when does this start?
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I decided not to throw the thread up until the actual cycle begins, so I'm finishing up week 1 right now. I spent this week resting and getting some final cuts in, as well as getting Cycle Support in my system.
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Originally Posted by MakY
Subbed....good luck man! best wishes! 
Just one question,why didn't u go with H-Drol or M-Drol ?
peace!
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Well I'm coming off a cut, so I didn't want to go with another cutting PH like H-Drol, M-Drol IS Superdrol which is the dry cousin of Pheraplex, I had a hard time deciding to go with SD or Phera, after talking to a few folks I decided on Phera. We'll tackle M-Drol (SD) next time!
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Originally Posted by thedazzle
cool beans. I enjoyed following your last cycle. I will be watching this one too.
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Thanks Dazzle, I hope to impress
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Originally Posted by cooperman33
In for this. Time to get huuuuuge!!!
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WOOHOO Cooperman!!! It's time to P-A-R-T...Y? Because I gotta!!!! lol
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Originally Posted by dravis210
Whats up Jigsaw... I'm with you... Give all you got man... Best of luck.... subbed..
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Thanks my brotha!
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My Epistane Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113017101
My Pheraplex Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115181261
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03-28-2009, 01:11 PM
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Looks like another great log, God bless my brother!
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03-28-2009, 02:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jigsaw-Man
Well I'm coming off a cut, so I didn't want to go with another cutting PH like H-Drol, M-Drol IS Superdrol which is the dry cousin of Pheraplex, I had a hard time deciding to go with SD or Phera, after talking to a few folks I decided on Phera. We'll tackle M-Drol (SD) next time! 
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Nice stuff bro! keep it up
BTW,nice photos up there,good progress!
peace
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03-29-2009, 12:31 AM
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alittle late but im sub'd for sure. I followed your epistane log and learned some **** in the process as did you. I am also planning on running a Phera/Tren stack starting late May so I am curious as to how you will respond to the phera. Best of luck man!
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03-29-2009, 08:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phat Daddy
Looks like another great log, God bless my brother! 
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As always, thanks for your support Dr. D!
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Originally Posted by MakY
Nice stuff bro! keep it up
BTW,nice photos up there,good progress!
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Thanks MakY, I was hoping to maintain my BF% or reduce it before I went on a bulk. I know I'm not 10% but thats ok, I'll strive for that after this cycle.
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Originally Posted by RippedAnimal
alittle late but im sub'd for sure. I followed your epistane log and learned some **** in the process as did you. I am also planning on running a Phera/Tren stack starting late May so I am curious as to how you will respond to the phera. Best of luck man!
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Actually your right on time, I'm popping the first dosage tomorrow. Thanks for stopping in and yes I learned alot of PHs in general on my Epi cycle. Phera/Tren seems to be a popular stack, since I've never run either I wanted to run Phera solo first to see how my body responds to it. Looking forward to more posts from you bro!
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My Epistane Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113017101
My Pheraplex Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115181261
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03-29-2009, 12:50 PM
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I'm going to go ahead and post my workout schedule for this cycle, just know that all of this is subject to change. This will be more of a guideline than a strict schedule. I don't plan on doing any cardio during this cycle, however if I feel that I'm getting extremely fat for any reason, I may incorporate a 30 minute walk after workouts.
Monday
Off
Tuesday
Biceps
Shoulders
Forearms
Wednesday
Off
Thursday
Back
Triceps
Light Core
Friday
Off
Saturday
Chest
Trapezius
Light Biceps (Optional)
Light Shoulders (Optional)
Sunday
Full Legs
Full Core
Forearms
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My Epistane Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113017101
My Pheraplex Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115181261
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03-29-2009, 02:32 PM
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I'm in for it man, just finishing up a big bulk my self. You might want to consider doing a little bit of cardio every now and again, just so you aren't out of shape cardio wise when it is time to cut, thats what I have done. But either way good luck, I am sure this will be good
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03-29-2009, 04:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzwell
I'm in for it man, just finishing up a big bulk my self. You might want to consider doing a little bit of cardio every now and again, just so you aren't out of shape cardio wise when it is time to cut, thats what I have done. But either way good luck, I am sure this will be good
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After thinking more about it I think I will take your advice, no HIIT or anything, just a nice casual 30 minute walk after workouts. By the way I really like your the message in your signature. God Bless you brother!
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My Epistane Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113017101
My Pheraplex Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115181261
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03-29-2009, 05:11 PM
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Glad to see you back here Jig!
You write the best detailed logs here and love to read em and follow your progress!
Check ya inbox--send you a pm too
GOOD LUCK and we are all here following and all the best!!!!!!
Boo
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03-30-2009, 12:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jigsaw-Man
After thinking more about it I think I will take your advice, no HIIT or anything, just a nice casual 30 minute walk after workouts. By the way I really like your the message in your signature. God Bless you brother! 
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Thanks bro, I like your message also! Always happy to meet fellow believers looking to improve their temple. Ya even some walking or some light swimming will keep you at a point where it won't be too hard to get back into consistent cardio when it is time, excited to see your progress man!
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03-30-2009, 07:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boo99
Glad to see you back here Jig!
You write the best detailed logs here and love to read em and follow your progress!
Check ya inbox--send you a pm too
GOOD LUCK and we are all here following and all the best!!!!!!
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Thanks for your support Boo!
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Originally Posted by Fitzwell
Thanks bro, I like your message also! Always happy to meet fellow believers looking to improve their temple. Ya even some walking or some light swimming will keep you at a point where it won't be too hard to get back into consistent cardio when it is time, excited to see your progress man!
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Thanks, then I will continue walking after lifting, but nothing too intense.
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My Epistane Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113017101
My Pheraplex Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115181261
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03-30-2009, 07:15 PM
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1st Day of Pheraplex
Date: Monday March 30th
Current Weight: 229lbs. (0)
What I'm currently listening to: Demon Hunter
Cycle Supplements Taken:
2 Scoop Cycle Support
30mg Pheraplex
# of Hardboiled Egg Whites: 8
Workout: Off
My Thoughts: Today marks Day 1 of my cycle, I'm obviously pretty excited but not like the first time taking Epistane, I'm much more relaxed this time around because I've taken a PH before so it's not quite the big deal it was. Obviously nothing major to report yet though I had diarhhea tonight, not sure if it was the Pheraplex or not. I've very pumped about doing biceps and shoulders tomorrow. Had a crappy day at work, I loathe corporate America.
Side Effects: None
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My Epistane Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113017101
My Pheraplex Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115181261
Last edited by Jigsaw-Man; 03-30-2009 at 07:29 PM.
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03-31-2009, 06:29 AM
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2nd Day of Pheraplex
Date: Monday March 30th
Current Weight: 231lbs. (+2)
What I'm currently listening to: Red
Cycle Supplements Taken:
2 Scoop Cycle Support
30mg Pheraplex
# of Hardboiled Egg Whites: 8
Workout: Not Listed
My Thoughts: Man where do I start!?!? I pretty much had the worst day of my life today, seems whenever I start a cycle this happens. Things have been very tough at work these past few weeks. It's too long of a story to really get into it but lets just say there are two guys, my boss and the HR director who work in my office and I'm to the point where if murder were legal, lol, you see where I'm going with this.
Anyways I just about quit my job today, my wife helped me calm down on the phone. In fact I've been extremely angry lately, I'm normally a very calm guy, but lately omg the rage has been constant. I wouldn't think that Pheraplex could bring "rage" side effects in 2 days could it? I wouldn't think so, so I'm not blaming Phera for my problems. However I do have ALOT of work related life issues that are making everything including this cycle extremely difficult to do.
On top of that I have been taking Kre-Alkalyn for many months now and I drink 1 scoop of ON's Vassive NO before every workout. Well I was told never to take any kind of stims including creatine based products while on cycle so I've been off of both since I started Phera. Well I got in the gym tonight and OMG, my strength was gone, literally just gone. I was struggling to lift -20lbs. on everything, I had no energy, no motivation, no power, nothing. I just wanted to sulk and go home.
Obviously being on Kre-Alkalyn and Vassive NO make all the difference in the world, and I almost wonder if I should just stick with that instead. At least it's not dangerous to use heh.
I want to send out a HUGE apology to everyone who was looking forward to running this cycle with me. Believe me I am extremely disappointed that my work issues have gotten in the way of this cycle, and for the money I spent for the supplies, and worst of all for letting you guys down. My life is usually very stable so this definately isn't the norm from me, I'm usually very dependable.
Anyways I do plan on running this cycle, but I need to figure out if I am going to be staying with this job, and if so then some things need to change, otherwise I will be looking elsewhere for employement. Or of course if my boss fires me, which at this point seems likely, then my wife and I may be one of the millions who have had to foreclose on their homes, and I dont' want that to happen.
Either way, right now is a really crappy time to be running a cycle.
Again I'm so sorry from the bottom of my heart and please say a prayer for my wife and I, this job thing is really putting us in a tailspin.
-Jigsaw out...
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My Epistane Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113017101
My Pheraplex Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115181261
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03-31-2009, 09:55 PM
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ill be following this on one, i am logging my p-plex course at the moment. i havent had any real gains in weight, but some great strength gains. check out my log, http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=114846301. sub'd
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03-31-2009, 10:15 PM
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So wait... are you still going on with the cycle?
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03-31-2009, 10:29 PM
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hey jig, i noticed your starting out at 30mg, are you staying at 30mg for the whole cycle, if not what is your plan for dosing?
btw, noticed you listen to demon hunter so im guessing you like newer age metal which is awesome because metal is the only real music  but if you need some new tunes to listen to in the gym check out august burns red, as i lay dying, and soilwork
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Quote:
Originally Posted by doctorcarta
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Thanks Doctor, but I am no longer running this cycle. Read my above post for the reasons.
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Originally Posted by heath810
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Thanks Heath, but I am no longer running this cycle. Read my above post for the reasons.
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So wait... are you still going on with the cycle?
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I am sorry Calfmaster but no. I will be resuming this cycle or starting another after I get this mess with work sorted out, my head is not where it needs to be to run a cycle.
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hey jig, i noticed your starting out at 30mg, are you staying at 30mg for the whole cycle, if not what is your plan for dosing?
btw, noticed you listen to demon hunter so im guessing you like newer age metal which is awesome because metal is the only real music  but if you need some new tunes to listen to in the gym check out august burns red, as i lay dying, and soilwork
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Ya, I was going to start out at 30mg and run it through all 4 weeks, however when I run it again I will probably start out at 20mg. It could've been in my head but I felt the effects of Phera coming on a little too strong mentally starting at 30mg. Again that could've just been in my head too though.
Ya I'm a huge fan of Christian Rock/Metal, my 2 favorite bands to listen to in the gym are Demon Hunter and Red. I will definately check out August Burns Red, are they Christian as well?
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My Epistane Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113017101
My Pheraplex Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115181261
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04-01-2009, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jigsaw-Man
Thanks Doctor, but I am no longer running this cycle. Read my above post for the reasons.
Thanks Heath, but I am no longer running this cycle. Read my above post for the reasons.
I am sorry Calfmaster but no. I will be resuming this cycle or starting another after I get this mess with work sorted out, my head is not where it needs to be to run a cycle.
Ya, I was going to start out at 30mg and run it through all 4 weeks, however when I run it again I will probably start out at 20mg. It could've been in my head but I felt the effects of Phera coming on a little too strong mentally starting at 30mg. Again that could've just been in my head too though.
Ya I'm a huge fan of Christian Rock/Metal, my 2 favorite bands to listen to in the gym are Demon Hunter and Red. I will definately check out August Burns Red, are they Christian as well?
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my bad.best of luck with everything!
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04-01-2009, 09:46 AM
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I hope everything works out for you. Try your best to keep your job... i've been out of work since November (layoff) and jobs are tough to come by these days. But you're in computers, right? I read that those jobs are always in demand.
What's the reasoning behind the no stims, no creatine while on cycle? I use both during cycle with no problems... I don't have high blood pressure either.
Anyways keep your head up 'cause you know the lord will take care of you.
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04-01-2009, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cooperman33
I hope everything works out for you. Try your best to keep your job... i've been out of work since November (layoff) and jobs are tough to come by these days. But you're in computers, right? I read that those jobs are always in demand.
What's the reasoning behind the no stims, no creatine while on cycle? I use both during cycle with no problems... I don't have high blood pressure either.
Anyways keep your head up 'cause you know the lord will take care of you.
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Thanks Coop...
I got laid off last year on May 1st and landed this job in September, took me that long to find a job. Supposedly your not to use stims on cycle for the bloodpressure reasons, but seems many people do.
The problem is people hear all sorts of different, then just repeat what they heard with little to no research. Next thing you know, that becomes the standard and poof you have a new rule in the bodybuilding bible.
These same people are telling me Vassive NO is crap and the benefits in the gym I get from it are all in my head. All I can say is, if it's in my head then it's reality to me, and thats what counts, lol.
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04-01-2009, 11:00 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Spokane, Washington, United States
Age: 22
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Originally Posted by Jigsaw-Man
Thanks Coop...
These same people are telling me Vassive NO is crap and the benefits in the gym I get from it are all in my head. All I can say is, if it's in my head then it's reality to me, and thats what counts, lol.
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Placebo effect ftw! haha no, you nailed it on the head man. How are other people going to tell YOU what works for YOU? Any BB newb that knows only 1 thing knows that different routines, diets, and supps work differently for different people. I mean I take in as many opinions/facts as I can, because the bigger your database the better odds of having good results and always having answers to your questions, but just like Junk mail, you gotta sort through the crap.
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