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    Ab Crunches-every day, or every other day?

    Do you get better results if you do Ab Crunches every day, or every other day?
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    hard and heavy 1-2 times a week

    abs recover VERY quickly, but every day is pushing it. You can prolly get away with light training every other day.

    You're gonna get flamed, but I think doing bodyweight exercises is fun and keeps ya in shape when it's f ing freezing outside
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    Everwhere ive read its said to have at least a days rest after an ab workout however, in arnolds encyclopedia it says to work them out everyday.. but maybe that was the old school method :S
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    Originally Posted by Cheah_its_Scott View Post
    Do you get better results if you do Ab Crunches every day, or every other day?
    I do them 3X a week. but you have to do weighted
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    I treat them like any other bodypart. Once or twice a week is good.
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    i doubt you would see any difference between every day and every other day
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    Ab training is nearly pointless.

    I can only list a couple of reasons on how they're not pointless.
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    Originally Posted by TheStuddMuffin View Post
    Ab training is nearly pointless.

    I can only list a couple of reasons on how they're not pointless.
    And those are??
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    Originally Posted by TheStuddMuffin View Post
    Ab training is nearly pointless.

    I can only list a couple of reasons on how they're not pointless.
    Says the obese man with a pudgy 1-pack set of abs.
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    Originally Posted by HawkLifter55 View Post
    And those are??
    - Sports performance, including: wrestling, judo, boxing, and other forms of martial arts. A strong core can be beneficial in football, hockey, etc.

    - Other than low bodyfat, a larger (than small) sheet of muscle is needed to reveal your abs. However, squating and deadlifting can fufill this task.

    - Powerlifting. A strong core is needed to support a massive amount of weight.

    Originally Posted by Mtguy8787 View Post
    Says the obese man with a pudgy 1-pack set of abs.
    If that obese man could understand a diet and cardio schedule, he would have the abs. You sir, are ignorant for negging me without understanding.
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    Originally Posted by TheStuddMuffin View Post
    - Sports performance, including: wrestling, judo, boxing, and other forms of martial arts. A strong core can be beneficial in football, hockey, etc. 1.) This is a bodybuilding forum. And even if it wasnt, how does that make ab work pointless? It doesnt

    - Other than low bodyfat, a larger (than small) sheet of muscle is needed to reveal your abs. However, squating and deadlifting can fufill this task. Deads and squats dont directly work your abs. Abs contract the opposite way. All I can say is... wow, strong lack of basic physiological knowledge. And even if they did, it still doesnt make ab work pointless

    - Powerlifting. A strong core is needed to support a massive amount of weight. No kidding?? Still doesnt make ab work useless.



    If that obese man could understand a diet and cardio schedule, he would have the abs. You sir, are ignorant for negging me without understanding.
    You are an idiot.
    Again, this is BBing. Training your abs is obviously important for achieving an ideal physique. There arent even that many compound exercises that directly work your abs.
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    Originally Posted by Mtguy8787 View Post
    You are an idiot.
    Again, this is BBing. Training your abs is obviously important for achieving an ideal physique. There arent even that many compound exercises that directly work your abs.
    We've already taken this to the PM, so nothing more is to say here.
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    Originally Posted by TheStuddMuffin View Post
    We've already taken this to the PM, so nothing more is to say here.
    Strength the abdominals is an excellent way to prevent back pain. Tight hip flexors and weak abs can lead to back pain.
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    Originally Posted by TheStuddMuffin View Post
    Ab training is nearly pointless.
    This is a ridiculous statment, no matter what your goal is.

    Originally Posted by TheStuddMuffin
    squating and deadlifting can fufill this task.
    Saying squats and deads are enough work for your abs is like saying flat and decline bench is enough for your lats.
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    Many think that all you need to do is posterior chain work (deadlifts, reverse hypers, etc.) and you can ignore trunk work. That is not the case. "According to sprint coach, Charlie Francis, an overemphasis on exercises such as good mornings or deadlifts can result in weakness of the quadratus lumborum muscle which is considered by some to be the most important stabilizer of the spine! This will lead to an unbalanced core. If this is indeed true, then a variety of side bridges, bends, and flexions should cure the problem."
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    this is bodybuilding.com not BareMinimum.com although it does feel like the latter alot.

    with threads like

    "not working the abs directly vs not working the abs atall vs just sitting on the sofa avioding overtraining"
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    Crunches are a good ab exercise, but they're not nearly the most effective and while they should be incorporated into the ab routine, they shouldn't be the base. To clear that up, crunches shouldn't be the base like squats are to legs, crunches hardly have any range of motion involved at all and are kind of like sprinting is to the quads. I'd say, do crunches after you've done something like leg raises or roman chair situps or seated crunch machines. It's probably good(for most people) to do some kind of light ab work every day, but hitting them hard and heavy a few times a week. Personally, If my abs aren't sore, I continue hitting them hard every day, starting from the lower abs and going onto crunches and situps.
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    Originally Posted by Carmen0857 View Post
    Saying squats and deads are enough work for your abs is like saying flat and decline bench is enough for your lats.
    Heh, cept lats aren't incorporated into just about every single movement one does:-p
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    Originally Posted by BtownzDesi View Post
    Everwhere ive read its said to have at least a days rest after an ab workout however, in arnolds encyclopedia it says to work them out everyday.. but maybe that was the old school method :S
    Arnold himself admitted that when he was in his prime, he had very little access to the modern knowledge of bodybuilding we have today. The man would train two times a day, 3 hours each, overtraining. I really don't put much stock on his opinions concerning the amount to work out, although I trust his teachings on form.
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    Originally Posted by xxoddxx View Post
    Arnold himself admitted that when he was in his prime, he had very little access to the modern knowledge of bodybuilding we have today. The man would train two times a day, 3 hours each, overtraining. I really don't put much stock on his opinions concerning the amount to work out, although I trust his teachings on form.
    Arnold never said that. Ever. Not about when he was in his prime.

    What "modern knowledge that we have today"?

    And please describe how the rectus abdominis, the primary function of which is to bring the pelvis toward the sternum is incorporated into every single movement we do?
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    Originally Posted by Defiant1 View Post
    What "modern knowledge that we have today"?
    That overtraining does more damage than it does good.
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    And please describe how the rectus abdominis, the primary function of which is to bring the pelvis toward the sternum is incorporated into every single movement we do?
    I didn't say rectus abdominis, I said abdominals, which comprise of all the complex hip and abdomen muscles, otherwise known as the, "abs."
    The abs have three main functions.
    The main function is articulation of the trunk. Another is stabilization of the trunk. The third is assistance of the diaphragmatic/respiratory function.
    Bending any which way recruits the abdominals. Breathing recruits the abdominals. Let's look at some of the basic exercises done today and see how the recruit the abs.
    Squat: stabilization and breathing.
    Bench: stabilization and breathing.
    Preacher: breathing.
    Sleeping: breathing.
    Walking: all three.
    Hell, I could even take this as far as thinking requiring abdominal support as long as one is using oxygen to think.
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    Originally Posted by xxoddxx View Post
    That overtraining does more damage than it does good.
    It does? How can you say that? Do you realize how crazy that sounds? You are saying that essentially 99% of the people that trained that way didn't know how to train, and that you as an 18 year old know better than they do? That a very intelligent person, who was a multiple Mr Olympia, Multi-Millionaire from Real Estate investment, and is now Governor of California married into the Kennedy family, didn't know what he was doing? Think about that for a second and let it sink in...

    In fact, if you look at the "bodybuilding" routines recommended by Zatsiorsky in "Science and Practice" and Bompa in "Serious Strength Training", they seriously resemble the training from that time period.

    I didn't say rectus abdominis, I said abdominals, which comprise of all the complex hip and abdomen muscles, otherwise known as the, "abs."
    The abs have three main functions.
    The main function is articulation of the trunk. Another is stabilization of the trunk. The third is assistance of the diaphragmatic/respiratory function.
    Bending any which way recruits the abdominals. Breathing recruits the abdominals. Let's look at some of the basic exercises done today and see how the recruit the abs.
    Squat: stabilization and breathing.
    Bench: stabilization and breathing.
    Preacher: breathing.
    Sleeping: breathing.
    Walking: all three.
    Hell, I could even take this as far as thinking requiring abdominal support as long as one is using oxygen to think.
    One, the question was about crunches, which are an exercise for the rectus abdominis primarily.

    Two, "Recruiting" is not "training". You are saying that "breathing" and "stabilizing" trains the COMPLETE abs? That is a silly assertion.

    By the very fact that your recommend training lower abs first, you acknowledge that the rectus is partitioned, and therefore needs to worked completely and from different angles for full development.
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    Originally Posted by Defiant1 View Post
    "Recruiting" is not "training". You are saying that "breathing" and "stabilizing" trains the COMPLETE abs? That is a silly assertion.
    Actually, you requested information regarding how the rectus abdominis is incorporated into almost every single movement made. I informed you that I wasn't referring to that muscle, and even still then informed you of how it IS incorporated into every single movement, and I'm the one people think just got PWNed? No sir, YOU are the one with the ego too large to recognize when you're wrong.
    Regarding overtraining, I couldn't give a **** about it. If Arnold did it and it worked for him but every single personal trainer on the planet who's ACE or NESTA or AFFA certified tells you not to do it, then I'll trust the ones with the degrees instead of the guy who has a bigger set of calves than his very brain(not saying he's stupid). Some people can make a living off of driving 100+ MPH in front of blood thirsty audiences, so let's all go do that and see how well the world runs.
    Furthermore, you still haven't accepted that I'm correct in my assertion that the abdominals are used in every single movement possible, nor have you negated it, you've simply changed topic in efforts to cover your own mishap.
    I'm sick of this site, poor debate, and glaring lack of education left and right, good riddance.
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    Originally Posted by xxoddxx View Post
    Actually, you requested information regarding how the rectus abdominis is incorporated into almost every single movement made. I informed you that I wasn't referring to that muscle, and even still then informed you of how it IS incorporated into every single movement, and I'm the one people think just got PWNed? No sir, YOU are the one with the ego too large to recognize when you're wrong.
    Regarding overtraining, I couldn't give a **** about it. If Arnold did it and it worked for him but every single personal trainer on the planet who's ACE or NESTA or AFFA certified tells you not to do it, then I'll trust the ones with the degrees instead of the guy who has a bigger set of calves than his very brain(not saying he's stupid). Some people can make a living off of driving 100+ MPH in front of blood thirsty audiences, so let's all go do that and see how well the world runs.
    Furthermore, you still haven't accepted that I'm correct in my assertion that the abdominals are used in every single movement possible, nor have you negated it, you've simply changed topic in efforts to cover your own mishap.
    I'm sick of this site, poor debate, and glaring lack of education left and right, good riddance.
    Lol:

    You made this SPECIFIC STATEMENT regarding "Carmens" quote.


    Originally Posted by Carmen0857 View Post
    This is a ridiculous statment, no matter what your goal is.

    Saying squats and deads are enough work for your abs is like saying flat and decline bench is enough for your lats.
    Originally Posted by xxoddxx View Post
    Heh, cept lats aren't incorporated into just about every single movement one does:-p
    Now, we are not talking about being merely "involved", are we? We are talking about squats and deadlifts being ENOUGH TO WORK THE ABS. Which, by your own defintion, include the rectus abdominis, the original point of the post (via crunches). If it tickles your prostate for me to say "yes, you are right, they are technically "involved" in many activities," then there you go. No ****. But then, so are the lats. However, since we are REALLY talking about TRAINING THEM COMPLETELY I don't think that is REALLY the context, is it?

    You also said this:

    Originally Posted by xxoddxx View Post
    Arnold himself admitted that when he was in his prime, he had very little access to the modern knowledge of bodybuilding we have today. The man would train two times a day, 3 hours each, overtraining. I really don't put much stock on his opinions concerning the amount to work out, although I trust his teachings on form.

    I said he never said that, in that context. Where is the quote?
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