Do you get better results if you do Ab Crunches every day, or every other day?
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01-20-2007, 12:01 PM #1
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01-20-2007, 12:05 PM #2
hard and heavy 1-2 times a week
abs recover VERY quickly, but every day is pushing it. You can prolly get away with light training every other day.
You're gonna get flamed, but I think doing bodyweight exercises is fun and keeps ya in shape when it's f ing freezing outside^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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01-20-2007, 12:20 PM #3
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01-20-2007, 05:19 PM #4
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01-20-2007, 09:01 PM #10
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01-20-2007, 09:07 PM #11
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01-20-2007, 09:22 PM #12
- Sports performance, including: wrestling, judo, boxing, and other forms of martial arts. A strong core can be beneficial in football, hockey, etc.
- Other than low bodyfat, a larger (than small) sheet of muscle is needed to reveal your abs. However, squating and deadlifting can fufill this task.
- Powerlifting. A strong core is needed to support a massive amount of weight.
If that obese man could understand a diet and cardio schedule, he would have the abs. You sir, are ignorant for negging me without understanding.Last edited by TheStuddMuffin; 01-20-2007 at 09:28 PM.
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01-20-2007, 09:41 PM #13
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01-20-2007, 09:59 PM #14
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01-21-2007, 11:41 AM #15
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01-21-2007, 11:46 AM #16
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01-21-2007, 01:08 PM #17
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01-22-2007, 06:16 AM #18
Many think that all you need to do is posterior chain work (deadlifts, reverse hypers, etc.) and you can ignore trunk work. That is not the case. "According to sprint coach, Charlie Francis, an overemphasis on exercises such as good mornings or deadlifts can result in weakness of the quadratus lumborum muscle which is considered by some to be the most important stabilizer of the spine! This will lead to an unbalanced core. If this is indeed true, then a variety of side bridges, bends, and flexions should cure the problem."
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01-22-2007, 07:45 AM #19
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01-22-2007, 07:52 AM #20
Crunches are a good ab exercise, but they're not nearly the most effective and while they should be incorporated into the ab routine, they shouldn't be the base. To clear that up, crunches shouldn't be the base like squats are to legs, crunches hardly have any range of motion involved at all and are kind of like sprinting is to the quads. I'd say, do crunches after you've done something like leg raises or roman chair situps or seated crunch machines. It's probably good(for most people) to do some kind of light ab work every day, but hitting them hard and heavy a few times a week. Personally, If my abs aren't sore, I continue hitting them hard every day, starting from the lower abs and going onto crunches and situps.
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01-22-2007, 07:54 AM #21
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01-22-2007, 07:59 AM #22
Arnold himself admitted that when he was in his prime, he had very little access to the modern knowledge of bodybuilding we have today. The man would train two times a day, 3 hours each, overtraining. I really don't put much stock on his opinions concerning the amount to work out, although I trust his teachings on form.
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01-22-2007, 08:07 AM #23
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01-22-2007, 09:04 AM #24
That overtraining does more damage than it does good.
Originally Posted by Defiant1
The abs have three main functions.
The main function is articulation of the trunk. Another is stabilization of the trunk. The third is assistance of the diaphragmatic/respiratory function.
Bending any which way recruits the abdominals. Breathing recruits the abdominals. Let's look at some of the basic exercises done today and see how the recruit the abs.
Squat: stabilization and breathing.
Bench: stabilization and breathing.
Preacher: breathing.
Sleeping: breathing.
Walking: all three.
Hell, I could even take this as far as thinking requiring abdominal support as long as one is using oxygen to think.
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01-22-2007, 09:25 AM #25
It does? How can you say that? Do you realize how crazy that sounds? You are saying that essentially 99% of the people that trained that way didn't know how to train, and that you as an 18 year old know better than they do? That a very intelligent person, who was a multiple Mr Olympia, Multi-Millionaire from Real Estate investment, and is now Governor of California married into the Kennedy family, didn't know what he was doing? Think about that for a second and let it sink in...
In fact, if you look at the "bodybuilding" routines recommended by Zatsiorsky in "Science and Practice" and Bompa in "Serious Strength Training", they seriously resemble the training from that time period.
I didn't say rectus abdominis, I said abdominals, which comprise of all the complex hip and abdomen muscles, otherwise known as the, "abs."
The abs have three main functions.
The main function is articulation of the trunk. Another is stabilization of the trunk. The third is assistance of the diaphragmatic/respiratory function.
Bending any which way recruits the abdominals. Breathing recruits the abdominals. Let's look at some of the basic exercises done today and see how the recruit the abs.
Squat: stabilization and breathing.
Bench: stabilization and breathing.
Preacher: breathing.
Sleeping: breathing.
Walking: all three.
Hell, I could even take this as far as thinking requiring abdominal support as long as one is using oxygen to think.
Two, "Recruiting" is not "training". You are saying that "breathing" and "stabilizing" trains the COMPLETE abs? That is a silly assertion.
By the very fact that your recommend training lower abs first, you acknowledge that the rectus is partitioned, and therefore needs to worked completely and from different angles for full development.CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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01-22-2007, 09:27 AM #26
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01-22-2007, 09:40 AM #27
Actually, you requested information regarding how the rectus abdominis is incorporated into almost every single movement made. I informed you that I wasn't referring to that muscle, and even still then informed you of how it IS incorporated into every single movement, and I'm the one people think just got PWNed? No sir, YOU are the one with the ego too large to recognize when you're wrong.
Regarding overtraining, I couldn't give a **** about it. If Arnold did it and it worked for him but every single personal trainer on the planet who's ACE or NESTA or AFFA certified tells you not to do it, then I'll trust the ones with the degrees instead of the guy who has a bigger set of calves than his very brain(not saying he's stupid). Some people can make a living off of driving 100+ MPH in front of blood thirsty audiences, so let's all go do that and see how well the world runs.
Furthermore, you still haven't accepted that I'm correct in my assertion that the abdominals are used in every single movement possible, nor have you negated it, you've simply changed topic in efforts to cover your own mishap.
I'm sick of this site, poor debate, and glaring lack of education left and right, good riddance.
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01-22-2007, 09:46 AM #28
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01-22-2007, 09:50 AM #29
Lol:
You made this SPECIFIC STATEMENT regarding "Carmens" quote.
Now, we are not talking about being merely "involved", are we? We are talking about squats and deadlifts being ENOUGH TO WORK THE ABS. Which, by your own defintion, include the rectus abdominis, the original point of the post (via crunches). If it tickles your prostate for me to say "yes, you are right, they are technically "involved" in many activities," then there you go. No ****. But then, so are the lats. However, since we are REALLY talking about TRAINING THEM COMPLETELY I don't think that is REALLY the context, is it?
You also said this:
I said he never said that, in that context. Where is the quote?CSCS, ACSM cPT.
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01-22-2007, 09:52 AM #30
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