Decided to try a PH cycle

J-Bo69 · 03-23-2009, 10:41 AM

I have deliberated for months whether on not to venture into the world of PHs and decided that I'm going to try it for 30 days. I have a couple of PHs in mind, but was just curious if some of my "older" bros had any suggestions, comments, or opinions on the matter.

Guff · 03-23-2009, 11:27 AM

Get ready for a forum-beating

J-Bo69 · 03-23-2009, 11:37 AM

Really? Why? I guess I'm a little naive to the "hate" of PHs. Diet and hardwork only get you so far and I am just looking to get over the hump I've been stuck on for a few years. Are there "good" alternatives to the PHs? I will take any suggestions.

...Kennedy · 03-23-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Bo69

Really? Why? I guess I'm a little naive to the "hate" of PHs. Diet and hardwork only get you so far and I am just looking to get over the hump I've been stuck on for a few years. Are there "good" alternatives to the PHs? I will take any suggestions.

I don't know squat about PHs.

However, the people over here do...

http://www.prohormoneforum.com/

J-Bo69 · 03-23-2009, 12:02 PM

K, thanks bro. Time to do a little research

Guff · 03-23-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Bo69

Really? Why? I guess I'm a little naive to the "hate" of PHs. Diet and hardwork only get you so far and I am just looking to get over the hump I've been stuck on for a few years. Are there "good" alternatives to the PHs? I will take any suggestions.

There's a serious 'holier than thou' attitude from some here regarding anything resembling this subject.

J-Bo69 · 03-23-2009, 12:25 PM

Appreciate your input Guff. If I have offended anyone here at the O35 forum I apologize, never intended for that to happen.

DaddyR · 03-23-2009, 01:24 PM

I tried a number of the old school (now banned) PH and 1-test years ago when they were new and got very noticeable results. Nothing more recently except for a cycle of 11-Oxo that seemed to help me to lean out and firm up nicely.

Since hanging out here I've adopted their attitude of keeping it natural and settling for whatever response I can get from the basic supps, diet and good old fashioned hard work.

IMO this just isn't the best forum to get info on them, since most of the folks here choose not to mess with them.

wulf88 · 03-23-2009, 01:28 PM

dymethazine is one of the newest. It is available by I-force. And as Guff said, the holier than thous will be showing up soon. Do like you said though, research before u use.

LyingSac · 03-23-2009, 01:33 PM

it's da rules...........please read them b4 posting.....that is all

chodan9 · 03-23-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LyingSac

it's da rules...........please read them b4 posting.....that is all

Actually the rules dont prohibit PH chat, I thought the same thing once but a mod corrected me

Guff · 03-23-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LyingSac

it's da rules...........please read them b4 posting.....that is all

PH's are totally legal

DaddyR · 03-23-2009, 01:39 PM

I was gonna ask for a link to that rule because I could only find where AAS and illegal products are barred. But the point remains that we just don't get into discussing them here. The other boards cover it well enough anyway though you have to weed through a lot of BS.

J-Bo69 · 03-23-2009, 05:18 PM

I want to thank all you O35 bros that have responded to this original thread, you have all helped and that's all I was looking for. I guess I should have read the rules, but since I'm over 35 I wanted to see if I could get some advice from bros in my age group and not from the teens and twenty somethings. Again, I apologize if I've offended anyone with my original thread and I want to redact my original question. ...Kennedy thanks for the link there's lots of information there.

Iron Barbarian · 03-23-2009, 05:31 PM

Feel free to PM me if you have any burning questions and I'll help out if I can.

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Originally Posted by J-Bo69

I want to thank all you O35 bros that have responded to this original thread, you have all helped and that's all I was looking for. I guess I should have read the rules, but since I'm over 35 I wanted to see if I could get some advice from bros in my age group and not from the teens and twenty somethings. Again, I apologize if I've offended anyone with my original thread and I want to redact my original question. ...Kennedy thanks for the link there's lots of information there.

Fifty+ · 03-23-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Bo69

I want to thank all you O35 bros that have responded to this original thread, you have all helped and that's all I was looking for. I guess I should have read the rules, but since I'm over 35 I wanted to see if I could get some advice from bros in my age group and not from the teens and twenty somethings. Again, I apologize if I've offended anyone with my original thread and I want to redact my original question. ...Kennedy thanks for the link there's lots of information there.

A quick comment. A 30 day cycle isn't going to produce much in the way of results. Even if you were using steroids, 30 days is a very short period of time. Try thinking longer term. Imagine if you actually added 10 lbs. of muscle (exaggerated) in the 30 days with using a supplement. Do you think you could keep your gains without the supplements? Everytime you reach a new goal, you need to work at that level to keep it. If you couldn't work at that level prior to using PHs then you'll be someone's customer for life. It can become a vicious cycle. This is simply my opinion and something to think about.

LyingSac · 03-23-2009, 05:33 PM

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I was gonna ask for a link to that rule because I could only find where AAS and illegal products are barred. But the point remains that we just don't get into discussing them here. The other boards cover it well enough anyway though you have to weed through a lot of BS.

PH's are illegal....so me thinks

J-Bo69 · 03-23-2009, 05:43 PM

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PH's are illegal....so me thinks

I was referring to supps such as: Bold, Havoc, 4ever Fit's D-Drol etc. etc. Are these not PHs? These are the supps I was referring to in my original thread, if these are not PHs then I stand corrected. But, if they are how can they be illegal? So confused!

LyingSac · 03-23-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Bo69

I was referring to supps such as: Bold, Havoc, 4ever Fit's D-Drol etc. etc. Are these not PHs? These are the supps I was referring to in my original thread, if these are not PHs then I stand corrected. But, if they are how can they be illegal? So confused!

yep i think we got crossed wires,from what i've been reading just about anything from Gaspari works....you might want to surf the supp threads...I used the real PH's they worked well,but you know how that goes.

J-Bo69 · 03-23-2009, 05:49 PM

Thx LS! I will give em a look see.

RonGoon · 03-23-2009, 05:59 PM

Badgermones FTB!

03-23-2009, 07:05 PM

Honest answer - the current products on the market blow. Not a single one of them converts to test which is what you want for at least one of the products in your cycle. Yeah I said cycle since lets be honest these are legal only through loopholes (for lack of a better word) that will be closed at some point.

Guff · 03-23-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LyingSac

PH's are illegal....so me thinks

You thinks wrong. Some of them have been outlawed, but not all PH's in general.

03-23-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Guff

You thinks wrong. Some of them have been outlawed, but not all PH's in general.

You have to forgive him he is a bit of a dullard at times.

LyingSac · 03-23-2009, 07:57 PM

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You thinks wrong. Some of them have been outlawed, but not all PH's in general.

Semantics what you're calling a PH is nothing but garbage in a pill....The real deal has been outlawed.

LyingSac · 03-23-2009, 08:00 PM

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You have to forgive him he is a bit of a dullard at times.

I thought you had my back!

LyingSac · 03-23-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Bo69

I was referring to supps such as: Bold, Havoc, 4ever Fit's D-Drol etc. etc. Are these not PHs? These are the supps I was referring to in my original thread, if these are not PHs then I stand corrected. But, if they are how can they be illegal? So confused!

They are watered down herbs and vitamins......so forgive me if i can't call them PH.They are probably advertised as such,but the real stuff is gone.

Iron Barbarian · 03-24-2009, 03:46 AM

LOL - You're buying the wrong stuff. If it has a picture of Fred Flintstone on the label it is not a PH, it is a multi-vitamin.

- LOL Just kidding with you

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They are watered down herbs and vitamins......so forgive me if i can't call them PH.They are probably advertised as such,but the real stuff is gone.

03-24-2009, 04:19 AM

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I thought you had my back!

LOL. I tease because I care.

You are not correct though some of the stuff out there right now are real PH's.

Havoc (epistane) - is a real steroid. Its not even a PH. Epistane is actually a methylated version of the controlled substance Epitiostanol (2?,3?-Epithio-5?-androstan-17?-ol), which was created in the 1960's and used as a treatment for breast cancer. Since the only place Epitiostanol is only availabe at this time is in japan, chemists added a methyl group to the compund and the final product was a substance now known as Epistane. Epistane is a sulfur containing steroid which is known to have strong and long lasting anti-estrogenic activity as well as weak androgenic and mytropic activities

Bold - converts to Boldenone "equipose". The conversion rate probably is good awfull.

Superdrol - Toxic garbage. But its as strong as any old world PH. Designer Supplements designed this 'pro-hormone' based on the steroid Masteron, with an additional methyl group attached to the 17th carbon position. It is described as a cross between anavar and masteron, with the virtual inability for aromatisation to estrogen. It is highly anabolic (400-800% more so than methyl-test) and a lot less androgenic (~20% of methyl-test). Superdrol has hence been given the name Methasteron.

etc...

**fitnessman** · 03-24-2009, 05:17 AM

PH talk is allowed as they are legal and sold here.

Waste of money IMO.