New Activate Extreme is fails.

[dtrain13]

considering the original activate contains the exact same core ingredient as the current activate xtreme from driven, i cannot help but think that something else is amiss.

Yes. More or less what I post earlier.

[Sldge]

Yes. More or less what I post earlier.

Unless this guy has a weird thing for pycnogenol and zinc aspartate and binding SHBG for longer periods of time. Nothing else has changed. I would say its been pretty universal that the new additions including the Extended Release Technology are improvements.

[XCriticalBenchX]

It happens everytime with a product that works too good. They change the formula and the new product is not nearly as good. When I was on the old Activate I use to break out with acne and get amazing gains in mass and strength. Now I get nothing. Anyone else notice the differance?

They are both good.. but I did actually prefer the old one better. Although at the time I used the old, I did not have much supplement experience, as oppose to using the new one where I had used multiple supplements in between.

[lachy]

I also found the old version better

[CROSSFIRE24]

I also found the old version better

This makes no sense....lol How are you guys getting better results from something that was inferior formula-wise?

[XCriticalBenchX]

This makes no sense....lol How are you guys getting better results from something that was inferior formula-wise?

Just because something is updated and reformulated does not mean it is going to be better.



There are how many forms of NEW innovative creatines on the market, yet many uses still find one of the oldest versions, monohydrate still superior.

[dtrain13]

I also found the old version better

Guys I'll repeat what I said earlier, the new variant has the same **** in it that the old variant had plus a WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER **** THAT MAKES IT A SUPERIOR FORMULA.

[dtrain13]

Just because something is updated and reformulated does not mean it is going to be better.



There are how many forms of NEW innovative creatines on the market, yet many uses still find one of the oldest versions, monohydrate still superior.

It wasn't reformulated. The original formula (which only had ONE component) was added to.

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[nni]

Just because something is updated and reformulated does not mean it is going to be better.



There are how many forms of NEW innovative creatines on the market, yet many uses still find one of the oldest versions, monohydrate still superior.

not really the same thing at all. its like saying creatine mono worked better than creatine mono, carbs and stims. the formula was improved, not redone. it isnt like some supplements that are completely overhauled and the name stays, the core is there, it was simply added to. logic would dictate that the experience shouldnt change much, even if the new additions to not necessarily add anything in ones personal chemistry.

[petefox]

This makes no sense....lol How are you guys getting better results from something that was inferior formula-wise?

I had a better response from the original Lean Xtreme, while generation 2 worked but not as well.. I'm gonna try Gen3 (Driven version) soon.

As far as ActivaTe/ Xtreme, the original was good, Gen2 was awesome and I'll probably like Gen3 a lot..

We all respond differently.

[dtrain13]

not really the same thing at all. its like saying creatine mono worked better than creatine mono, carbs and stims. the formula was improved, not redone. it isnt like some supplements that are completely overhauled and the name stays, the core is there, it was simply added to. logic would dictate that the experience shouldnt change much, even if the new additions to not necessarily add anything in ones personal chemistry.

Just for clarification ActivaTe was just Divanil,yes? ActivaTe Extreme has the very same Divanil in the same dose with some other ****, yes?

[XCriticalBenchX]

It wasn't reformulated. The original formula (which only had ONE component) was added to.

not really the same thing at all. its like saying creatine mono worked better than creatine mono, carbs and stims. the formula was improved, not redone. it isnt like some supplements that are completely overhauled and the name stays, the core is there, it was simply added to. logic would dictate that the experience shouldnt change much, even if the new additions to not necessarily add anything in ones personal chemistry.

By reformulated, I just meant changed. I dont really know all to much about it, but I guess it was a poor word choice! I just meant changed, whether something was added, taken out, whole new product, etc.

Mike

[drxmn]

My ass it fails. Driven's activate was great and one of if not the best testosterone support/booster Ive had

[CROSSFIRE24]

Just for clarification ActivaTe was just Divanil,yes? ActivaTe Extreme has the very same Divanil in the same dose with some other ****, yes?

This is what I meant. I didnt mean reformulated as much as revamped. It still contains Divanil (which is all the original was) + extended release and other additional goods to improve its effectiveness. I understand different things work for different people but to say Divanil worked better than Divanil + Other Beneficial Additions is hard for me to believe. You also have to keep into account that if you have taken other supplements between the old version and Driven's version then it is going to cause different results. There's really no phisable or logical explanation as to how the old could be superior to the new. Yes, Creatine Mono has been proven to be superior (Except to MCC in my eyes) but when you add things to help absorption and transport of the Mono compared to plain Mono, you cannot say the latter is the victor.

[Hollywood Hulkster]

Its possible that i'm developing a tolerance to it now and need to try higher doses.

[Sldge]

Its possible that i'm developing a tolerance to it now and need to try higher doses.

Its possible you need a break, which we recommend.

[Sldge]

The only differences people could really be talking about wold be from the Beta which was a 20 cap much lower % of Divanil to the last version of Designer which was the same amount of extracted Divanil, Icariin, I3C, Rhodiola and Basella and the newest Driven version with is everything that was in the last version of Designer plus Zinc and Pycnogenol with our new Extended Release Technology.

So Ill say it again, unless someone has a weird reaction to Zinc or Pycnogenol (or youve been using it too long without a break) there it doesnt make much sense why you would do better on the last Designer version when compared to the latest version of Driven.

If you read the most recent users reports of the latest Driven version it confirms that. It works better, kicks in faster and the effects are more pronounced. Thats exactly what we expected to happen with the ERT.

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Pete as I said in the usnic acid thread you are not the normal responder, LOL. It may just be because of the additions of EGCG or Forskolin have a different response with you with 7OH. But again if you look at the larger group of responders, everyone else absolutely loves it.

I know that not every supplement we make will work perfectly for every user but if a large majority of the users find a huge improvement over the past version then we did something right.

When it comes to the new Driven versions of ACTX, LX and Adrenalean the overwhelming response has been improvement over past versions. Thats what we want.

[Hollywood Hulkster]

The only differences people could really be talking about wold be from the Beta which was a 20 cap much lower % of Divanil to the last version of Designer which was the same amount of extracted Divanil, Icariin, I3C, Rhodiola and Basella and the newest Driven version with is everything that was in the last version of Designer plus Zinc and Pycnogenol with our new Extended Release Technology.

So Ill say it again, unless someone has a weird reaction to Zinc or Pycnogenol (or youve been using it too long without a break) there it doesnt make much sense why you would do better on the last Designer version when compared to the latest version of Driven.

If you read the most recent users reports of the latest Driven version it confirms that. It works better, kicks in faster and the effects are more pronounced. Thats exactly what we expected to happen with the ERT.

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Pete as I said in the usnic acid thread you are not the normal responder, LOL. It may just be because of the additions of EGCG or Forskolin have a different response with you with 7OH. But again if you look at the larger group of responders, everyone else absolutely loves it.

I know that not every supplement we make will work perfectly for every user but if a large majority of the users find a huge improvement over the past version then we did something right.

When it comes to the new Driven versions of ACTX, LX and Adrenalean the overwhelming response has been improvement over past versions. Thats what we want.

I've only been using it for 6 weeks. I used the old version 3 months before that.

[FreddyC]

6 weeks and no gains at all or no supernormal gains? The former means your diet is probably the thing that's letting you down.