Farmers Markets are Going to be Shut Down by the Feds

[AKMass]

http://cryptogon.com/?p=7362

Do you agree with this?

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[PupelyVerbose]

http://cryptogon.com/?p=7362

Do you agree with this?

Other relevant posts I've made...

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=114760121
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=114711001

Ok, this crap is ridiculous. Sticky please!

[Dr. Horse]

[_Amanda_]

wtf...

who votes for these terrible ideas?!?

[luckyali]

Farmers markets are the best place to get fresh orgainc produce, what a horrible idea.

[AKMass]

Yes, its a tinfoil hat conspiracy, because you know, its all there in black and white and you are being told exactly what the government plans to do to you.

Not everything that looks outrageous or implausible is a tinfoil hat conspiracy, son.

[Ted Nugent]

idk if this whole thing is just a "conspiracy" or if it actually has potential to be enacted, but regardless i despise the current state of U.S. politics, DESPISE

[BiggJohn]

Maybe it's time for me to buy a gun.

[Dr. Horse]

Maybe it's time for me to buy a gun.

[Elfie.]

idk if this whole thing is just a "conspiracy" or if it actually has potential to be enacted, but regardless i despise the current state of U.S. politics, DESPISE

Maybe it's time for me to buy a gun.

Yes.
Yes.

If this does end up happening I'm fing moving back to europe.

[Bob.Loblaw]

wtf...

who votes for these terrible ideas?!?

liberals. stupid, stupid liberals.

[SDC77]

Oh noes teh libralz are gonna take away god, guns, and now farmers marketz.

[AKMass]

Yes.
Yes.

If this does end up happening I'm fing moving back to europe.

They are further along on this than the U.S.

[Dr. Horse]

Oh noes teh libralz are gonna take away god, guns, and now farmers marketz.

Well, at least the first two.

[DaBurg3r]

they don't want us to be able to get food outside of non-govt approved channels?

[FlexinMike]

Things are getting ridiculous

[AKMass]

they don't want us to be able to get food outside of non-govt approved channels?

That pretty much sums it up, yes.

[Dr. Horse]

That pretty much sums it up, yes.

Know the facts before saying stupid ****.

[AKMass]

Know the facts before saying stupid ****.

I've read the facts, have you?

[CanadianFE]

Buy a house and grow in your backyard.

[AKMass]

Buy a house and grow in your backyard.

Don't share with your neighbors though. Its a million dollar fine if you get caught.

[jst2suhweet]

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

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(12) FOOD- The term ?food? means a product intended to be used for food or drink for a human or an animal and components thereof.



Does this include the lemonade stands on the corner?

Little 7 yr old Timmy gets fined $1,000,000 for failure to registering his lemonade that he sold for $.25 a glass.

[AKMass]

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

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(12) FOOD- The term ?food? means a product intended to be used for food or drink for a human or an animal and components thereof.



Does this include the lemonade stands on the corner?

Little 7 yr old Timmy gets fined $1,000,000 for failure to registering his lemonade that he sold for $.25 a glass.

Probably not, but I assume his parents could be held liable for permitting a criminal act perpetrated by their son. Not to mention aiding and abetting a crime.

[Dr. Horse]

I've read the facts, have you?

I've read this bill itself. The difference between me and you appears to be the fact that I understand what it is and you don't.

[AKMass]

I've read this bill itself. The difference between me and you appears to be the fact that I understand what it is and you don't.

Actually having reading comprehension does not seem to be your strong point.

You don't seem to have a problem with the rules placing undue regulatory burdens on local food economies?

You don't seem to have a problem with "The term 'food production facility' means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation?" That means your backyard garden, genius.

You don't have a problem that this basically allows the government to investigate, search, and patrol your property without s search warrant?

You may be able to read, but your reasoning and comprehension are sorely lacking.

When is the last time you heard of someone getting sick from locally grown produce? When was the last time you heard of someone getting sick from mass produced food? Peanut butter anyone?

[Dr. Horse]

Actually having reading comprehension does not seem to be your strong point.

You don't seem to have a problem with the rules placing undue regulatory burdens on local food economies?

You don't seem to have a problem with "The term 'food production facility' means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation?" That means your backyard garden, genius.

You don't have a problem that this basically allows the government to investigate, search, and patrol your property without s search warrant?

You may be able to read, but your reasoning and comprehension are sorely lacking.

When is the last time you heard of someone getting sick from locally grown produce? When was the last time you heard of someone getting sick from mass produced food? Peanut butter anyone?

My recommendation to you is to first learn a little bit about how laws are made. And then learn a little bit about how they are enforced. You also might find interesting statements made by the sponsor of the bill herself (you know, the she-devil in bed with monsanto [almost literally]) concerning the effects of the PROPOSED legislation of farmer's markets.

[jessetk313]

Ok Mr.Horse since you seem to be a genius and are telling ppl how to interpret the proposed bill why don't you break it down for us idiots.

[PupelyVerbose]

My recommendation to you is to first learn a little bit about how laws are made. And then learn a little bit about how they are enforced. You also might find interesting statements made by the sponsor of the bill herself (you know, the she-devil in bed with monsanto [almost literally]) concerning the effects of the PROPOSED legislation of farmer's markets.

Show us in the proposed legislation where the OP is wrong. Point to the exact wording and break it down for us. You're the all knowing expert. Lets see it.

[Dr. Horse]

Ok Mr.Horse since you seem to be a genius and are telling ppl how to interpret the proposed bill why don't you break it down for us idiots.

Show us in the proposed legislation where the OP is wrong. Point to the exact wording and break it down for us. You're the all knowing expert. Lets see it.

Well, you two are way ahead of the OP on this issue. At least you understand that this is a PROPOSED bill that has just been introduced in the house. You also may understand that bills often undergo subtle or often radical changes on their way to being passed, if they even get that far.

You may have also noticed the penalties section, which seems to be the most talked about part of the bill by all the fear-mongers:

SEC. 405. CIVIL AND CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

(a) Civil Sanctions-

(1) CIVIL PENALTY-

(A) IN GENERAL- Any person that commits an act that violates the food safety law (including a regulation promulgated or order issued under the food safety law) may be assessed a civil penalty by the Administrator of not more than $1,000,000 for each such act.

(B) SEPARATE OFFENSE- Each act described in subparagraph (A) and each day during which that act continues shall be considered a separate offense.

(2) OTHER REQUIREMENTS-

(A) WRITTEN ORDER- The civil penalty described in paragraph (1) shall be assessed by the Administrator by a written order, which shall specify the amount of the penalty and the basis for the penalty under subparagraph (B) considered by the Administrator.

(B) AMOUNT OF PENALTY- Subject to paragraph (1)(A), the amount of the civil penalty shall be determined by the Administrator, after considering--

(i) the gravity of the violation;

(ii) the degree of culpability of the person;

(iii) the size and type of the business of the person; and

(iv) any history of prior offenses by the person under the food safety law.

[AKMass]

Well, you two are way ahead of the OP on this issue. At least you understand that this is a PROPOSED bill that has just been introduced in the house. You also may understand that bills often undergo subtle or often radical changes on their way to being passed, if they even get that far.

You may have also noticed the penalties section, which seems to be the most talked about part of the bill by all the fear-mongers:

Duhhh...how do you think proposed bills get shot down? By people making others aware of them and those people in turn pressure the law makers. Which is exactly what I'm doing here. Now, please explain to me why that is a bad thing? Would you rather I kept silent about it?

Please, think before you type.