Is it really unequipped when belt and knee wraps add ATLEAST 50 lb. ?

[Getter_done]

And usually a lot more. I think if ur gonna go equipped go all the way multiply, wraps, briefs, the whole deal. and if ur gonna be unequipped then go in a belt only at most.

Belt and knee wraps combined add atleast 50 pounds, not just knee wraps, for those who misunderstood me.

[John Prophet]

where do u get the figure of at LEAST 50lbs added?

I have heard that 50lbs might be the MOST added for knee wraps with a lot of people claiming more like 15lbs added


btw, the 100% raw fed is belt only, no wraps

[Getter_done]

where do u get the figure of at LEAST 50lbs added?

I have heard that 50lbs might be the MOST added for knee wraps with a lot of people claiming more like 15lbs added


btw, the 100% raw fed is belt only, no wraps

I said belt and knee wraps, not just knee wraps.

[ILiftHeavyShit]

14,000+ posts and you make threads this stupid?


Wow...

[arian11]

USAPL raw is no knee wraps. Only some feds consider knee wraps raw. But back in the day before suits and shirts, knee wraps was considered raw because there was nothing else.

[NephilimRising]

where do u get the figure of at LEAST 50lbs added?

I have heard that 50lbs might be the MOST added for knee wraps with a lot of people claiming more like 15lbs added


btw, the 100% raw fed is belt only, no wraps

uh wraps can add a lot more than 50 lbs.

[Assassin]

Where do these stats of "at least 50lbs from knee wraps" come from? I've had some of the top pros in the sport wrap my knees, with the best wraps money can buy, so tight they went numb before I got to squat. It didn't add anything to my squat. My squat suit and briefs did that.

Where are these magical wraps?

I've squatted more with sleeves or no wraps than I have with wraps, raw or geared.

[Torrtrefireto]

I'd rather see knee wraps be considered raw than high squats be considered legit


Or monolift squats, but thats a personal opinion and I understand that raw squatting by definition has nothing to do with walking out.

[Doollas]

I consider Raw belt only, Unequipped wraps and belt (as per NASA), and equipped as gear and all.

Torrt...I agree...if only dreams could come true in this sport.

[arian11]

Shoes, deadlift slippers, and chalk add lbs to your lifts too versus wearing flip flops and covering your hands in baby powder so is that really unequipped? They have to set limits somewhere. Join a fed that doesn't allow belts and knee wraps as raw.

I second the squat depth and no monolifts idea as well.

[xBONExCROWNx]

my squat PR was done without wraps. i honestly could never feel my wraps add anything. but they help make me feel, and be safer. same as belt. but if you want to go ahead and squat 600 something pounds no wraps, no belt. be my guest. ill come see you in the hospital.

[NephilimRising]

I've had some of the top pros in the sport wrap my knees, with the best wraps money can buy, so tight they went numb before I got to squat. It didn't add anything to my squat.

Then why do you and the "top pros" wear them as opposed to knee sleeves?

[Newbtime]

Where do these stats of "at least 50lbs from knee wraps" come from? I've had some of the top pros in the sport wrap my knees, with the best wraps money can buy, so tight they went numb before I got to squat. It didn't add anything to my squat. My squat suit and briefs did that.

Where are these magical wraps?

I've squatted more with sleeves or no wraps than I have with wraps, raw or geared.

I have at times gotten 75 lbs out of knee wraps, wrapping myself not as tight as i could of.... dont make me dig up my 3 year old training journal posts to prove it.

[Heavy_Beats]

Knee wraps are not raw in IPF.

I'm not sure how much I get from a belt.

[Scopie70]

My age i need knee weaps to protect them...

[ViKtoricus]

my squat PR was done without wraps. i honestly could never feel my wraps add anything. but they help make me feel, and be safer. same as belt. but if you want to go ahead and squat 600 something pounds no wraps, no belt. be my guest. ill come see you in the hospital.

Even Mr. Half-Squatter Justin Harris doesn't use wraps:

[xBONExCROWNx]

Even Mr. Half-Squatter Justin Harris doesn't use wraps:

hahahahaha good come back on that. repped.
im not saying it cant be done.
i would get to 500 before i would even belt.
but its not really safe IMO

edit: repped to much in last 24 hours.

[Diana Meeque]

how exactly are belts and wraps there for 'safety' though? i mean, most of us who start lifting young are told to wear a belt or we'll get hurt, but i've never seen anybody present any evidence to back it up. same with wraps. i don't feel any 'safer' when I wear a belt than when I don't...I can just lift more weight with the belt.

[Assassin]

Then why do you and the "top pros" wear them as opposed to knee sleeves?

Frankl and the guys at BIG Iron ARE top pros.

I haven't worn sleeves in years and squat more now than I ever did with them.

I have at times gotten 75 lbs out of knee wraps, wrapping myself not as tight as i could of.... dont make me dig up my 3 year old training journal posts to prove it.

Cool, you can mentally get yourself stronger with some wraps. The wraps didn't add anything, but psychologically they did. Hence extra poundage.

[SPFjudge]

I've squatted more with sleeves or no wraps than I have with wraps, raw or geared.

not doing it right

my squat PR was done without wraps. i honestly could never feel my wraps add anything.

not doing it right

My age i need knee weaps to protect them...

bull****

[arian11]

It depends on your technique. I've been using a belt for a month or so now. I feel it helps me keep my back arched better on heavy squats and helps me keep my abs and lower back tighter. It helps me feel tighter in bench as well. So far, it has made my deadlift feel like crap and makes my technique worse. But I blame me not being use to it yet and the belt not being broken in yet. So I think it can make it safer. But if you have bad technique of knees caving in a ton and stuff on your squat and then you add a belt and think you can go heavier weights now, it wouldn't really be safer.

Average dudes at the gym use the same excuse against me when it comes to half or quarter squatting. They say they don't squat all the way down because "its bad for your knees". But then I try to explain to them that besides it not being bad for your knees to go to parallel or more, that they probably put 3 times more weight on the bar doing quarter squats than full squats so they have 3 times more weight on their knees and other joints. So is it really safer?

[John Prophet]

how exactly are belts and wraps there for 'safety' though? i mean, most of us who start lifting young are told to wear a belt or we'll get hurt, but i've never seen anybody present any evidence to back it up. same with wraps. i don't feel any 'safer' when I wear a belt than when I don't...I can just lift more weight with the belt.

I cant comment much on the wraps since I have never used them, but the belt can help prevent injury IMO.

Here is an explanation by Mel Siff (rip) http://www.melsiff.com/tag/lifting-belt/

In short, the belt helps build an keep pressure in the abdominal region. Of course, u have to learn how to use it also. Take air into the gut, which pushes out on the belt, do the valseva maneuver etc. That extra "intra abdominal pressure" helps keeps things in place where nature placed them, lol

to put a belt on, then suck in the abs or blow all the air out of your gut...u may as well leave the belt at home

[JiP]

how exactly are belts and wraps there for 'safety' though? i mean, most of us who start lifting young are told to wear a belt or we'll get hurt, but i've never seen anybody present any evidence to back it up. same with wraps. i don't feel any 'safer' when I wear a belt than when I don't...I can just lift more weight with the belt.

After having a herniated disc i think my back would be in pieces if i never wore a belt, for deadlifts anyway. That's obviously illogical to assume i would have had more injuries, but i just feel a lot more stable deadlifting with it on.

[AllOrN0thing]

I'd rather raw be just a belt and chalk in all feds. Knee wraps, knee sleeves, wrist straps not allowed..

[Mike.Moore]

not doing it right

not doing it right


bull****

Agreed. Although the guy who said at his age he needs to protect his knees, he would be better off wearing some type of knee sleeve than wraps. I don't buy into knee wraps protecting the knees. But knee sleeves do help.

I don't see how anyone can say knee wraps don't give you anything on the lift, and it has nothing to do with mentally getting yourself stronger.

Also, for the person who posted this, why would you end up in a hospital if you squat 600+ with no belt or wraps??? You think if you wear a belt and wraps you can't get hurt? In this sport, theres always a chance of getting hurt, like all sports actually,whether your geared,raw or whatever, it just happens....

As far as the original post,I would say belt and knee wraps can be considered unequipped, but not raw. I do consider using a belt raw, though I personally choose not to wear one, just my preferrence.

[Assassin]

Agreed. Although the guy who said at his age he needs to protect his knees, he would be better off wearing some type of knee sleeve than wraps. I don't buy into knee wraps protecting the knees. But knee sleeves do help.

I don't see how anyone can say knee wraps don't give you anything on the lift, and it has nothing to do with mentally getting yourself stronger.

Agree to disagree on wraps? Not just you, but speaking in generalities with the thread.

I agree with you in sleeves being preventative, hence why I wear them. I like keeping my knees warm, and they scream at me the following week if I don't use them when squatting.

This thread seems to be taking the same turns of raw vs. geared lifting. There is clearly a split of if/how much wraps give you.

[Metal Jerk]

Where do these stats of "at least 50lbs from knee wraps" come from? I've had some of the top pros in the sport wrap my knees, with the best wraps money can buy, so tight they went numb before I got to squat. It didn't add anything to my squat. My squat suit and briefs did that.

Where are these magical wraps?

I've squatted more with sleeves or no wraps than I have with wraps, raw or geared.

Frankl and the guys at BIG Iron ARE top pros.

I haven't worn sleeves in years and squat more now than I ever did with them.



Cool, you can mentally get yourself stronger with some wraps. The wraps didn't add anything, but psychologically they did. Hence extra poundage.

Wow. My Mind has been blown.. I don't know if hes trolling, I doubt it.

I mean im honestly speechless...

uh..

i just..

dont have

words

[AllOrN0thing]

Assassin you are negged. Phucking retard

[Mike.Moore]

Agree to disagree on wraps? Not just you, but speaking in generalities with the thread.

I agree with you in sleeves being preventative, hence why I wear them. I like keeping my knees warm, and they scream at me the following week if I don't use them when squatting.

This thread seems to be taking the same turns of raw vs. geared lifting. There is clearly a split of if/how much wraps give you.

Fair enough, I'll agree to disagree with ya. lol

I wear sleeves myself,Rehbands, but unfortunately, my knees scream at me anyway. But at least they don't AS I'm squatting!!! Then its off to my cold therapy machine all day.

I for one, wasn't trying to turn this into a gear vs raw debate. I mostly stay out of those. I do have my own views on it, though I would probably say that its not so much the gear itself that I have a problem with, but the judging that has evolved from it. But thats a debate for another time and thread.

I am not sure if the op meant unequipped as raw. I think there is a difference. If someone said to me unequipped, I would think he didn't wear a suit,briefs or a shirt. I personally don't care how anyone lifts, its their own business, the world is big enough for geared and raw lifters, I just have a problem when lifts done with knee wraps are called raw, since I believe (from experience,alot of it) they can add quite a good amount. Thats my only beef. And before anyone jumps on me for that, I am NOT taking away anything from a lift done with wraps, I just feel there is a difference between the two.

[C0bra]

And usually a lot more. I think if ur gonna go equipped go all the way multiply, wraps, briefs, the whole deal. and if ur gonna be unequipped then go in a belt only at most.

Belt and knee wraps combined add atleast 50 pounds, not just knee wraps, for those who misunderstood me.

different feds have different rules.....just compete in one that has Raw lifting as a belt with no wraps