"Big? John McCarthy Hints at History of Greasing Problems

[Determ1ned]

Say what you will about Big John, he could rock the black track pants and latex gloves with the best of them.)

The Los Angeles Times takes a look at various cheating methods in combat sports today, from the illegal substance in Antonio Margarito?s glove to the Vaseline on Georges St. Pierre?s body. The message here is that cheating, or ?gamesmanship,? as Bert Sugar charitably tags it, is nothing new.

But of interest to MMA fans are remarks from former UFC referee ?Big? John McCarthy, which suggest that greasing problems have persisted for some time now, and that it?s no big secret, either:


"Guys will push the envelope in every way possible," former UFC referee "Big" John McCarthy said of mixed martial arts fighters. "Vaseline has always been an issue in MMA. It's a real problem."

McCarthy has seen MMA fighters come into the octagon after taking a bath filled with soapy water or even baby oil. "You can't notice it when they're dry, but when they get on the ground and start to sweat, it starts to come out of their pores," McCarthy said.
McCarthy also blamed the persistence of this problem on athletic commission regulators, who are accustomed to working boxing matches and don?t realize the advantage a little extra grease on the body can provide in an MMA fight.

The issue raised by the greasebath version of events ? and this isn?t the first time we?ve heard that accusation ? is tricky to deal with.

For one thing, how do you monitor what a fighter bathes in hours before his fight, and what do you do about it if you notice grease coming out of his pores mid-fight? None of us wants to get to the point where we?re stopping fights to conduct test swabs of a fighter?s skin, but neither do we want to see the sport become a bunch of greased up guys sliding all over the cage.

If GSP was employing the pre-fight bath method, it also makes you wonder why his corner would risk putting Vaseline on him in the middle of a fight in full view of cameras and athletic commission reps, not to mention the ever-vigilant Chuck Liddell at Octagonside.

Regardless, if McCarthy has known this was a problem for so long, chances are so have other people. Sure would be nice to see them do something about it now. New rules on Vaseline application in the cage are a good start, but clearly we can't stop there.





http://www.cagepotato.com/%E2%80%9Cb...asing-problems

[bignac1]

Originally Posted by Determ1ned

Say what you will about Big John, he could rock the black track pants and latex gloves with the best of them.)

The Los Angeles Times takes a look at various cheating methods in combat sports today, from the illegal substance in Antonio Margarito?s glove to the Vaseline on Georges St. Pierre?s body. The message here is that cheating, or ?gamesmanship,? as Bert Sugar charitably tags it, is nothing new.

But of interest to MMA fans are remarks from former UFC referee ?Big? John McCarthy, which suggest that greasing problems have persisted for some time now, and that it?s no big secret, either:


"Guys will push the envelope in every way possible," former UFC referee "Big" John McCarthy said of mixed martial arts fighters. "Vaseline has always been an issue in MMA. It's a real problem."

McCarthy has seen MMA fighters come into the octagon after taking a bath filled with soapy water or even baby oil. "You can't notice it when they're dry, but when they get on the ground and start to sweat, it starts to come out of their pores," McCarthy said.
McCarthy also blamed the persistence of this problem on athletic commission regulators, who are accustomed to working boxing matches and don?t realize the advantage a little extra grease on the body can provide in an MMA fight.

The issue raised by the greasebath version of events ? and this isn?t the first time we?ve heard that accusation ? is tricky to deal with.

For one thing, how do you monitor what a fighter bathes in hours before his fight, and what do you do about it if you notice grease coming out of his pores mid-fight? None of us wants to get to the point where we?re stopping fights to conduct test swabs of a fighter?s skin, but neither do we want to see the sport become a bunch of greased up guys sliding all over the cage.

If GSP was employing the pre-fight bath method, it also makes you wonder why his corner would risk putting Vaseline on him in the middle of a fight in full view of cameras and athletic commission reps, not to mention the ever-vigilant Chuck Liddell at Octagonside.

Regardless, if McCarthy has known this was a problem for so long, chances are so have other people. Sure would be nice to see them do something about it now. New rules on Vaseline application in the cage are a good start, but clearly we can't stop there.





http://www.cagepotato.com/%E2%80%9Cb...asing-problems

Good read.

They should make the fighters sleep in the same hotel the night benfore the fight and be monitered at all times. Check there stuff before they check in. And let the cutman apply the vaseline and no one else.

[Recksaw]

Originally Posted by bignac1

Good read.

They should make the fighters sleep in the same hotel the night benfore the fight and be monitered at all times. Check there stuff before they check in. And let the cutman apply the vaseline and no one else.

A little ridiculous, but what other solution is there?

[neekz0r]

Wow, this whole thing is really shedding some light. Really? Bathing in baby oil? What the hell?

[bignac1]

Originally Posted by Recksaw

A little ridiculous, but what other solution is there?

exactly...its a multi-million$ industry. It should be looked at as any other sport would do(like boxing with packing the gloves...)

[newparadigm]

My low cost solution... make the gloves out of sandpaper, that'll stop it hehe

[jasong2gs]

Originally Posted by newparadigm

My low cost solution... make the gloves out of sandpaper, that'll stop it hehe

WOAH KILLER!!!

(i lold!)

[Shogun893]

"If GSP was employing the pre-fight bath method, it also makes you wonder why his corner would risk putting Vaseline on him in the middle of a fight in full view of cameras and athletic commission reps, not to mention the ever-vigilant Chuck Liddell at Octagonside."

Did anyone else find that line hilarious? I can't really recall a time that I've seen Chuck at an event where he didn't look high/drunk as hell.

[HardGainer82]

Originally Posted by Shogun893

"If GSP was employing the pre-fight bath method, it also makes you wonder why his corner would risk putting Vaseline on him in the middle of a fight in full view of cameras and athletic commission reps, not to mention the ever-vigilant Chuck Liddell at Octagonside."

Did anyone else find that line hilarious? I can't really recall a time that I've seen Chuck at an event where he didn't look high/drunk as hell.

Chuck was the one who tattled on GSP's cornermen. Maybe he showed up sober to a fight for once...

[bignac1]

Originally Posted by newparadigm

My low cost solution... make the gloves out of sandpaper, that'll stop it hehe

wouldn't stop anything...the greasing is for the backs so people cant get a good guard on you. or something along those lines...not the punches

[LatsMakeTheMan]

I usually bathe in baby's blood before training.









































But I fap in the tub, which makes it stickier, not greasier.

[Wendel_Clark_17]

Originally Posted by bignac1

Good read.

They should make the fighters sleep in the same hotel the night benfore the fight and be monitered at all times. Check there stuff before they check in. And let the cutman apply the vaseline and no one else.

The UFC is the only organization that could afford this and then even then they're barely willing to pay the fighters fair compensation.

[Wcustom]

I think with the big uproar on the vaseline scandal and all of its nature, it's making it more known.. which means.. more usable. Like the baby oil bath thing, I wouldn't have thought of it. It brings more ways to cheat to cheaters..

[TheClips]

Originally Posted by Recksaw

A little ridiculous, but what other solution is there?

True that. And that's what I hate about cheaters--they fukk **** up for everyone!

[Kane Fan]

Originally Posted by Recksaw

A little ridiculous, but what other solution is there?

before the fight have each guy pick
he can have his body slathered in vaseline or have a set of pants with little rubber grippers on them...

what is up with the line "the ever vigiliant Chuck Liddel"?
I know he went and talked to Dana White at this instance but had he caught people cheating previously?

[Normot]

They should allow Shinya Aoki style pants.

[Maine]

Why not have them wear something like underarmour or a rash guard?

[Rifter]

Originally Posted by bignac1

Good read.

They should make the fighters sleep in the same hotel the night benfore the fight and be monitered at all times. Check there stuff before they check in. And let the cutman apply the vaseline and no one else.

Originally Posted by Wendel_Clark_17

The UFC is the only organization that could afford this and then even then they're barely willing to pay the fighters fair compensation.

The UFC has created new rules that were applied at UFC 95. One of them is that only the official cuttman can apply vasiline to the fighters face, also they make the fighters say goodbye to their corner BEFORE they apply the vasiline pre- fight

[timmytimm3]

Why not figure out a way to test for oil on the skin. Test the fighters right before they step in the ring and if they test positive, they forfit the fight right there in front of all the fans.

Problem solved.