California: Legalizing Cannabis Because Of Economic Difficulties

[jsVR-4]

California is ahead of the curve, as usual.


In fifty years we will all be ashamed at how we used to send people to jail for plants while our entire population was being hit by a death cult of obesity and alcoholism..

In a couple hundred years, when the victims are all memories, we'll be laughing.

Yes, California is so far ahead of the curve that Californians will be enjoying their IOUs this tax season.

California is one bad idea after the next... as is evident in the economic situation there.

I oppose any economic ideas coming out of California...

[muscleman420]

nobody would by from legal sellers/growers if there was going to be a tax.



non-smoker here, but:

one way to solve that issue would be stiff penalties to those not paying the tax or having a license to grow.

wrong. lol, the corporations will be able to mass produce it and sell it for wayless than homebrew. alcohol is easier to make than weed, and u dont see it being sold by people individually.

lol @ ppl thinking rogue farmers will do a better job making pot than huge corporations with lots of money.

[Suit]

Yes, California is so far ahead of the curve that Californians will be enjoying their IOUs this tax season.

California is one bad idea after the next... as is evident in the economic situation there.

I oppose any economic ideas coming out of California...

If California doesn't get out of the ****ter, America has no chance at anything.

So hoping we fail (denying California ideas) , you are rooting for America to fail.

You fail.

[Lp21]

yeah clinics are basically illegal still right now.. if this passes and companies like Marlboro are legally allowed to have "cigarette joints" at every store that currently sells cigarettes.. Then prices will drop.. Your getting ripped off if your paying more than 60 or 70 for a quarter of chronic.. and thats with it being illegal.. I knew a grower personally and was getting ounces of really high grade chronic for 100..

federally yes but in terms of inside the boundary of this state (california) our laws have the final say, and according to the citizens of california marijuana is now decriminilized and legal for medical use. DEA has acknolwedged that this is our decision and aslong as the clinics continue to pay there taxes... medical marijuana isnt going anywhere away from cali. nowone has bud as good or in such a consistant supply as cali, you can litterly get pretty much good bud anywhere here. kinda hard to say that pretty much evreywhere else.
edit: and lol@you cali hating asshats.

[Nygymrat86]

i say why not it could probably help the economy

edit: im not a smoker btw

[Supadude]

Best idea ive heard in years. Now we just need this propagated to the federal level.

BTW in case anyone is interested this is a very good documentary: http://blip.tv/file/1356143/

[FF71]

it could twice the price of cigs.. could you imagine getting 20 joints of dank for $10? lol

I don't smoke and I never have, so prices of cannabis won't affect me. What does affect me is the ridiculously high cost of living in CA, coupled with living in highest taxed state in the United States. All the other states, you don't have a clue what being taxed feels like.

Man you don't see prescription drug wars, beer wars or cigarette wars do you? The low life drug dealers are still going to be there to pedal other **** they got like coke and meth. Your just taking one less arrow out of their quiver so to speak.

Low level dealers will find something else to peddle, but you're legalizing a drug that has been studied extensively that provides outstanding therapeutic responses.

lol are you kidding? if its legalized itll be more like 80 an ounce..

There will be a medium price that is reached. If it's a state government ran industry yes, plan on it to be overpriced. If the state allows it to be a regulated private industry to run it, plan on the prices to be competitive and affordable.

...and how is that? there will still be alcoholics and criminals (murderers/burgulars etc)

there will always be people in jail. The amount of people that will lose their job from this drugs legalization is almost a moot point.

When offices ugraded to computer systems in the late 70's and early 80's a lot of jobs were lost as well, Thats just the way things work.

There are so many job opportunities to be made if this were to become an industry. First there will be tons of paperwork which require secretarial jobs. Buildings need to be built, reviving the construction industry. Computer programs and networks need to be integrated and created, the tech industry will be needing personnel. Agriculture will need workers, scientists will be needed to ensure purity, the list goes on. This is a completely new industry, it will require all types of people, and will employ a vast majority of work types. Unemployment...?

Driving while stoned is inexusible. While it cannot be compared to the effects of alcohol under any pretense, you are under the influence of a narcotic nonetheless. It's a selfish thing to do, regardless of the unscientific and unreasonable attempts at justification many people give.
As a daily smoker, I support punishing these people to the fullest extent of the law. You want to risk it on your own terms? Fine. But you won't endanger my family and community simultaneously.
These are the types of adult decisions and realities that we need to come together on in the cannabis community to truly bring marijuana culture out of the dark alleys and into the mainstream.

This.

Yes, California is so far ahead of the curve that Californians will be enjoying their IOUs this tax season.

California is one bad idea after the next... as is evident in the economic situation there.

I oppose any economic ideas coming out of California...

Fine, I would love for California to remove itself from the United States. We are the only state to contain all types of environmental extremes, spare a rain forest. We can farm and cultivate crops, as well as raise livestock, with some of the most fertile land in the nation. We can grow year round by the way, since we aren't affected by snow in the agricultural lands. If we need oil, we can drill off our coast. Yes it may be detrimental to some areas, but we don't need yours. The Sierra Nevada mountains provide large quantities of water for our irrigation, we have so much at times we sell it to other states. We have numerous deep water shipping ports that serve as the main drop off for many of our nations imports, so we'll just tax the rest of the nation for using them when we break off, sucks for you land locked states. You can say we'll need coal for power, but if we were to become independent nuclear will suffice, or renewable energy. Either way you look at it, we are a self sufficient state. We have almost a 50 billion dollar deficient and we're still functioning, no one came close to us. So sure, our state government needs an overhaul, but as a state, we don't need you.

[jsVR-4]

If California doesn't get out of the ****ter, America has no chance at anything.

So hoping we fail (denying California ideas) , you are rooting for America to fail.

You fail.

Who said anyone is hoping California fails? The Cali government already has. They're bankrupt. The rest of the country is going to have to bail them out.

They need to take care of the immigration problem. I think booting illegal immigrants out of California would have a greater impact than legalizing marijuana. Especially now that unemployment is high and people are looking for those jobs that "Americans just don't want to do."

[2pacalypto]

California is ahead of the curve, as usual.


In fifty years we will all be ashamed at how we used to send people to jail for plants while our entire population was being hit by a death cult of obesity and alcoholism..

In a couple hundred years, when the victims are all memories, we'll be laughing.

This.

I can't wait for all the Baby Boomers to move to Florida, play some golf, and die with their dinosaur-era philosophies.

[jsVR-4]

Fine, I would love for California to remove itself from the United States. We are the only state to contain all types of environmental extremes, spare a rain forest. We can farm and cultivate crops, as well as raise livestock, with some of the most fertile land in the nation. We can grow year round by the way, since we aren't affected by snow in the agricultural lands. If we need oil, we can drill off our coast. Yes it may be detrimental to some areas, but we don't need yours. The Sierra Nevada mountains provide large quantities of water for our irrigation, we have so much at times we sell it to other states. We have numerous deep water shipping ports that serve as the main drop off for many of our nations imports, so we'll just tax the rest of the nation for using them when we break off, sucks for you land locked states. You can say we'll need coal for power, but if we were to become independent nuclear will suffice, or renewable energy. Either way you look at it, we are a self sufficient state. We have almost a 50 billion dollar deficient and we're still functioning, no one came close to us. So sure, our state government needs an overhaul, but as a state, we don't need you.

That's probably all true. The problem is, your politicians would be more concerned with the environment than your economy surviving. If you went out and did all the things you just mentioned, you wouldn't be in a deficit. I'd love for Californians to go get some oil and sell it to the rest of the country. I'd love for California to go build nuclear power plants, as well as the rest of the country. But the extreme left in California would never allow a brown mountain swallow or some fish species to be displaced because you needed irrigate your food supplies.

So in the midst of all of these opportunities, the politicians turn to legalizing pot?

[Ironstone-]

They need to take care of the immigration problem. I think booting illegal immigrants out of California would have a greater impact than legalizing marijuana. Especially now that unemployment is high and people are looking for those jobs that "Americans just don't want to do."

x2.

Are people even aware how many illegal immigrants are in san diego, nevermind the rest of california.

[La-neta]

people i know will always buy local.. they protested walmart where i live and dont really like big chain stores. Its like your local meatmarket,bar,etc.. I f you treat customers good have a good base your business will suceed. Aug dealers are smart guys...they just picked the wrong business. Now they can take thyre game legal. big distrust in big corporations today and within the weed community.

[jsVR-4]

California does have progressive views... but they are extreme, and I think that's where they get into trouble.

I don't think anyone can predict what legalizing pot would do. We may get some extra tax money, but will it contribute to poverty? Taxing the hell out of something never seems to work. Who's going to be buying the pot? I'd guess mostly middle to lower class.

I've been behind a mother and daughter in a Walmart where the little girl wanted some of the candy in aisle. Of course she was scolded by the mother her then threw her carton of cigarettes up on the counter. I've known people that could barely pay the bills, but they ALWAYS had a carton of cigarettes. Would we just be contributing to this?

I don't know the answers. This is just my life experience with what i've seen with cigarettes.

[La-neta]

That's probably all true. The problem is, your politicians would be more concerned with the environment than your economy surviving. If you went out and did all the things you just mentioned, you wouldn't be in a deficit. I'd love for Californians to go get some oil and sell it to the rest of the country. I'd love for California to go build nuclear power plants, as well as the rest of the country. But the extreme left in California would never allow a brown mountain swallow or some fish species to be displaced because you needed irrigate your food supplies.

So in the midst of all of these opportunities, the politicians turn to legalizing pot?

theyre building solar panels in death valley right now. they calculate 10 sq. miles is enough to supply the u.s.. no more oil,no nuclear waste,jobs maintaining the panels as well as the infrastructure to support it. Not good for the rest of the country and corporations so they try to shoot down these ideas.

[La-neta]

California does have progressive views... but they are extreme, and I think that's where they get into trouble.

I don't think anyone can predict what legalizing pot would do. We may get some extra tax money, but will it contribute to poverty? Taxing the hell out of something never seems to work. Who's going to be buying the pot? I'd guess mostly middle to lower class.

I've been behind a mother and daughter in a Walmart where the little girl wanted some of the candy in aisle. Of course she was scolded by the mother her then threw her carton of cigarettes up on the counter. I've known people that could barely pay the bills, but they ALWAYS had a carton of cigarettes. Would we just be contributing to this?

I don't know the answers. This is just my life experience with what i've seen with cigarettes.

You think it dont happen with weed right now???

[super shocker]

There have been tests and studies done to show that marijuana does not effect driving or cognition like alcohol does, and is often the reason cops aren't phased when they catch smokers driving, even if there are ways of testing.

I think it's just the opposite. I don't smoke much, but when I do I get messed up. The difference is that I KNOW i can't drive properly. Unlike when you drink you get that false sense of empowerment.

I know other have different tolerance levels, but I'd venture to say the natural tendencies of the way the drug works on your brain is fairly accurate.

To be sure, I'm for this everywhere. It's always better to have some sort of regulations than to have none and make things totally illegal. People will always find there ways around the laws... just like now, only now there is the change of culture to try and capitalize on something that will be happening either way.

[Lp21]

California does have progressive views... but they are extreme, and I think that's where they get into trouble.

I don't think anyone can predict what legalizing pot would do. We may get some extra tax money, but will it contribute to poverty? Taxing the hell out of something never seems to work. Who's going to be buying the pot? I'd guess mostly middle to lower class.

I've been behind a mother and daughter in a Walmart where the little girl wanted some of the candy in aisle. Of course she was scolded by the mother her then threw her carton of cigarettes up on the counter. I've known people that could barely pay the bills, but they ALWAYS had a carton of cigarettes. Would we just be contributing to this?

I don't know the answers. This is just my life experience with what i've seen with cigarettes.

i absolutly cannot stand simple minded people, im normally really nice about **** like that irl but just reading it online and really just letting it sink in just disgust me.

edit: wow i read the rest of your post, you really are a uneducated tard. how many years did you go to college and were? did you go to college lol?

[Clean]

nobody would by from legal sellers/growers if there was going to be a tax.

People don't go across the boarder for alcohol or make their own cigerretes do they (at least not in mass numbers)?

So the same would apply here. Why go to a shady dealer or some random guy on the street when you could get it from someplace close which you trust? It's just like fruit. There are plenty of vendors who sell fruit on the corner, but people usually buy from stores because they trust them more and they are more convenient.


Its not going to solve everything, but it will go a long way to stopping illegal drugs coming over from Mexico and other countries.

[jsVR-4]

theyre building solar panels in death valley right now. they calculate 10 sq. miles is enough to supply the u.s.. no more oil,no nuclear waste,jobs maintaining the panels as well as the infrastructure to support it. Not good for the rest of the country and corporations so they try to shoot down these ideas.

The oil and coal industry probably lobbies hard against them too.

Solar power is all well and good, but everything I've seen/heard/read suggests that solar power is not very efficient (as far as catching what the sun produces and creating usable power). We need nuclear power.

Penn and Teller did a great episode of their show on HBO (or is it showtime?) about nuclear power. It's on youtube somewhere... just made me believe even more how much we need nuclear power.



If Californians knew what they were doing, they would legalize pot and not tax it at all... then throw a 500% tax on Cheetos.

edit: The Cheetos comment was sarcasm for those unable to detect it.

[La-neta]

I think it's just the opposite. I don't smoke much, but when I do I get messed up. The difference is that I KNOW i can't drive properly. Unlike when you drink you get that false sense of empowerment.

I know other have different tolerance levels, but I'd venture to say the natural tendencies of the way the drug works on your brain is fairly accurate.

when i used to smoke,hell i drove around with a bong next,or a joint inmy hand all day. only accidents ive ever had have been sober and after i quit.

[Lp21]

The oil and coal industry probably lobbies hard against them too.

Solar power is all well and good, but everything I've seen/heard/read suggests that solar power is not very efficient (as far as catching what the sun produces and creating usable power). We need nuclear power.

Penn and Teller did a great episode of their show on HBO (or is it showtime?) about nuclear power. It's on youtube somewhere... just made me believe even more how much we need nuclear power.



If Californians knew what they were doing, they would legalize pot and not tax it at all... then throw a 500% tax on Cheetos.

quoted so the retardation that just spills out of this post in so many levels can be preserved.


HAVE YOU TAKEN ANY FORM OF HIGHER EDUCATION?!?!?!

[La-neta]

The oil and coal industry probably lobbies hard against them too.

Solar power is all well and good, but everything I've seen/heard/read suggests that solar power is not very efficient (as far as catching what the sun produces and creating usable power). We need nuclear power.

Penn and Teller did a great episode of their show on HBO (or is it showtime?) about nuclear power. It's on youtube somewhere... just made me believe even more how much we need nuclear power.



If Californians knew what they were doing, they would legalize pot and not tax it at all... then throw a 500% tax on Cheetos.

I seen the penn and teller show and they make good points but theyre not scientists. Im sure the plants would be safe for a while but cost cutting and accidents happen and things seem to slip through the cracks. Then we would still have to deal with the waste. Better to invest in technology and education to develop better ways to acheive our goals. we can do it,hell we put a man on the moon......supposedly.

[jsVR-4]

i absolutly cannot stand simple minded people, im normally really nice about **** like that irl but just reading it online and really just letting it sink in just disgust me.

edit: wow i read the rest of your post, you really are a uneducated tard. how many years did you go to college and were? did you go to college lol?

I asked questions in my post and said I didn't have the answers. I gave my life's experience with cigarettes.

Attempt to answer the questions if you have the answers. I was just asking for opinions. I think this will create a high taxed product that people who are already suffering (in the current economy) are going to pay.

I disagree with how California is run. Why do I get negged for that? I'm accused of hoping California fails... go find where I said that in my posts. I'm simply suggesting California (probably more than any other state) has the ability to help it's own economy and the economy of the country if it would utilize the resources available. But the leadership of the state is too extreme. I don't think legalizing pot is going to have much effect either way until the immigration problem is solved.

[jsVR-4]

I seen the penn and teller show and they make good points but theyre not scientists. Im sure the plants would be safe for a while but cost cutting and accidents happen and things seem to slip through the cracks. Then we would still have to deal with the waste. Better to invest in technology and education to develop better ways to acheive our goals. we can do it,hell we put a man on the moon......supposedly.

They aren't scientists, but had some on. They tackled the safety issue. It seemed relatively safe. The containers that transported the old fuel rods were nearly unbreakable. They had a pretty compelling argument.

Do I want one in my back yard? I'd have to think about it.... =P

[-themask-]

It would get this country out of debt so fast.

Growers would sell it to stores for normal price ($20/g), stores would sell it to public for the same price + tax.

I would buy it from a store over a dealer any day then. Why? you don't know what **** the dealer does with it. Plus its usually dirt weed or bammer. From a store you would get your wide variety of choices all for the same price.

Malatuskan Thunderfukc would be my daily choice.

god bless.............Canada

20$ is ridiculous...

[Suit]

god bless.............Canada

20$ is ridiculous...

How much do you pay? On and off the street.

Off the street ****s like $10-15/g.

Out of the medical centers its the true $20/g.

[WorkinClassHero]

lol @ the 48 people against it in poll results...I wonder if they're taking this recession as serious as the rest of us?

[RipedRX]

LEGELIZE THE GREEN!! WHEN IS SEE MY Favorite plant legelized it WILL BE ONE PROUD AND HISTORIC MOMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HITTING THE PIPE NOW LOADING FOR FUTURE CELEBRATION!

[baroni01]

bout ****ing time, and it only took us a nationwide+statewide budget deficit to realize it

[RipedRX]

Not just that this economy would benefit great for it..billions and billions of $$ are spent on the war on drugs! 65% is agianst marijuana!! OUR PRISON SYSTEMS are over crowded, so we going to waste lot of $$$ of our tax payers money building new prison, yet over 50% are in of marijuana related charges!! THESE LAWS MAKE NO SENSE!! tobacco and alcohol 10x more damaging then weed, and yet its legal! LEGALIZING THE GREEN IS THE ANSWER, should have been long long time ago!