Are dairy products really bad for getting ripped?

DEWHS · 02-18-2009, 07:31 PM

I have heard that drinking milk or eating any kind of dairy product slows down the fat burning process. Is this true and if so how much does it slow it down? Im not trying to lose 20lbs i just want to lose a little fat and get cut. Should i really take all dairy products out of my diet to lose fat or is this not a good idea since i am only 16 years old? Or is this whole thing just a myth? Please help me with this it's been driving me crazy.

Opies · 02-18-2009, 07:34 PM

myth.

TopAussie · 02-18-2009, 07:36 PM

Two things to take note of,

Dairy is high in sodium.
Milk sugars cause massive spikes in insulin levels

How badly these effect getting 'ripped' is a difficult debate, however I do know from watching a few IFBB professional bodybuilders DVD's that they specifically cut out all milk sugars in pre-contest preparation.

xl Achilles lx · 02-18-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TopAussie

Two things to take note of,

Dairy is high in sodium.
Milk sugars cause massive spikes in insulin levels

How badly these effect getting 'ripped' is a difficult debate, however I do know from watching a few IFBB professional bodybuilders DVD's that they specifically cut out all milk sugars in pre-contest preparation.

Define "massive insuline spikes" lol. I didn't know a glass of milk caused you to have "massive insulin spikes."

TopAussie · 02-18-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by xl Achilles lx

Define "massive insuline spikes" lol.

Milk sugars whilst being low GI is high on the II-insulin index. I believe milk sugars to be worse than dextrose, glucose and maltodextrin.

http://www.mendosa.com/insulin_index.htm

signature166 · 02-18-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TopAussie

Milk sugars whilst being low GI is high on the II-insulin index. I believe milk sugars to be worse than dextrose, glucose and maltodextrin.

http://www.mendosa.com/insulin_index.htm

Not correct.

magneto90 · 02-18-2009, 07:43 PM

its a myth, its fine if you fit it into your macros.

Vadim Beliaev · 02-18-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TopAussie

Milk sugars whilst being low GI is high on the II-insulin index. I believe milk sugars to be worse than dextrose, glucose and maltodextrin.

http://www.mendosa.com/insulin_index.htm

yeah and 1 gram of lactose in a glass of milk will MASSIVELY spike your insulin.
buahaha

Colawa · 02-18-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by magneto90

its a myth, its fine if you fit it into your macros.

this pretty much goes for any food

magneto90 · 02-18-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Colawa

this pretty much goes for any food

Exactly

TopAussie · 02-18-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev

yeah and 1 gram of lactose in a glass of milk will MASSIVELY spike your insulin.
buahaha

Obviously this can vary based on product and quantity eaten.

Note Yogurt having a insulin score of 115, and a mars bar having 112. When I look at yogurt in the supermarket it has low GI, low fat plastered all over it.
Many would agree not exactly ideal for a cutting phase?

Vadim Beliaev · 02-18-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TopAussie

Obviously this can vary based on product and quantity eaten.

Note Yogurt having a insulin score of 115, and a mars bar having 112. When I look at yogurt in the supermarket it has low GI, low fat plastered all over it.
Many would agree not exactly ideal for a cutting phase?

I drank about a pint of kefir today which has about 4.5 grams of lactose per 100 grams, and im well on my way to 6% bf and 6 wks out from a contest.

Bottom line - stop worrying about insignificant **** like GI and worry about meeting your macros and caloric values for the day instead.

TopAussie · 02-18-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev

I drank about a pint of kefir today which has about 4.5 grams of lactose per 100 grams, and im well on my way to 6% bf and 6 wks out from a contest.

Bottom line - stop worrying about insignificant **** like GI and worry about meeting your macros and caloric values for the day instead.

Im not saying my claims are the be all and end all, just merely bringing them forward for discussion.

I welcome advice /info from someone such as yourself, do you usually eat dairy in a pre-contest phase?

Vadim Beliaev · 02-18-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TopAussie

Im not saying my claims are the be all and end all, just merely bringing them forward for discussion.

I welcome advice /info from someone such as yourself, do you usually eat dairy in a pre-contest phase?

I used to follow old fashioned advice such as staying away from dairy etc, which only made my prep more miserable than it really had to be.

only time that i cut out dairy is now 2 wks out as im starting to worry about sodium consumption and trying to keep subcutaneous water retention to a minimum.

Before that i do not cut it out as i found that it did not interfere with fat loss to any degree at all as long as i follow my macros and cut calories according to the plan.

Besides if you want to really get into detail, all dairy will contain casein, which will slow down the absorption of any milk sugar present greatly.
So really as is the case in pretty much all natural products, everything is balanced out.
Fruit may be high in sugar, but theres fiber to lower GI and slow down absorption.
Milk is high in casein which does the same.
etc etc.
Its only the processed foods that we have to worry about, really.

TopAussie · 02-18-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev

I used to follow old fashioned advice such as staying away from dairy etc, which only made my prep more miserable than it really had to be.

only time that i cut out dairy is now 2 wks out as im starting to worry about sodium consumption and trying to keep subcutaneous water retention to a minimum.

Before that i do not cut it out as i found that it did not interfere with fat loss to any degree at all as long as i follow my macros and cut calories according to the plan.

Ah ok, appreciate the info. Its easy for me to be parrot like & spread the anti dairy info I have come across in my research/readings but its the real life experiences from people such as yourself which are even more valuable

Robby Coker · 02-18-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DEWHS

I have heard that drinking milk or eating any kind of dairy product slows down the fat burning process.

There are studies that suggest the opposite. They show that people who have low or no dairy/calcium intake are heavier and fatter on average than people who have higher intakes of dairy/calcium.

http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20040...at-weight-loss

RusnConcussion · 02-18-2009, 08:29 PM

broscience, the only reason not to drink it is when you are trying to shed water weight.

el67ko · 02-18-2009, 09:10 PM

This is a peer reviewed scientific article from the AJCN. This study shows that milk taken in post workout shakes and also in post workout meals leads to not only greater muscle gains but reduction in body fat levels.

I highly suggest browsing through the articles there as they provide real scientific experiments regarding nutrition, and they are easy to search. You can simply type something as simple as "dairy and body composition" and it will bring up all peer reviewed studies regarding your search. The bodies of the studies tend to be pretty thick (unless you are a science dork such as myself-biology chemistry double major ftw), but reading the abstracts or just skimming down to the conclusion is fairly simple.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full...urcetype=HWCIT