I had a seizure my first week on Dymethazine

[bighead555]

I just read this,,,might want to think twice before taking it!!!


http://www.prohormoneforum.com/proho...-seizures.html

[Shoorty0690]

Wow. Glad I'm not old enough to consider taking PH's because this would have been the one I cycled due to all the great reviews... aside from this one.

It really goes to show that no one really knows how these supplements can affect us in the long term. Every time I hear something like this I worry the supplements I take are helping me at the gym, but costing me in the long run.

Regardless, i wish the best for the guy in the other forums.

[JuiceMasterFlex]

Craziness. I wonder if it was a coincidence or as a result of some rare effect from the Dymethazine as the doctor suggested.

[stinky6857]

wow that is truely a sad thing if it's true (not doubting it is, i just can't confirm it either) side effect warnings are not on the side as a joke. and young teens wonder why they get flamed for asking about ph/ds's.

[denverizzles]

good post...i feel sorry for the guy. makes anyone think twice about using ph

[KmuL]

guys, let's not jump to conclusions just yet, not enough solid info at this point to back the claim....I am glad the guy is ok

[hammercurl]

how the hell can the doc just claim it was the dymethazine,thats just ridiculous.DOC.did you have a paracetmol today, PATIENT. yes,iv never taken 1 before .DOC.yep thats whats caused it,i dont need to investigate any further.

[History in Effect]

very sad post at the site.

[Rodzilla]

if he could prove it, I would try and sue.

[Shoorty0690]

Originally Posted by hammercurl

how the hell can the doc just claim it was the dymethazine,thats just ridiculous.DOC.did you have a paracetmol today, PATIENT. yes,iv never taken 1 before .DOC.yep thats whats caused it,i dont need to investigate any further.

Well, if you've been taking supplements A, B, C and D, and have no problems for years, and all of a sudden add supplement E and experience seizures, you can pretty much assume it's the culprit. Especially if it's a PH. No one really knows how these can affect you. As soon as these companies create these formulas, they test them for a few months and send it out. There's no long term research for PH's or really any enhancing supplement.

[hammercurl]

maybe this guy would of had this problem at this particular time regardless of wether he was taking anything,personaly i think its very short sighted to just pinpoint what he was using particularly with no real evidence,this guy could have an underlying problem that may not be followed up by the doc just because he claims its the dymethazine.if he stops the use of the dymethazine and the problems go away then you could lay the blame on the dymethazine,who knows mayb his bp was ridiculously high

[Rodzilla]

Originally Posted by hammercurl

how the hell can the doc just claim it was the dymethazine,thats just ridiculous.DOC.did you have a paracetmol today, PATIENT. yes,iv never taken 1 before .DOC.yep thats whats caused it,i dont need to investigate any further.

probably from looking up hydrazine which isn't exactly the same as dymethazine, but I'm supposing it can and did conver (whatever) for this fellow

http://www.gasdetection.com/TECH/hydrazine.html
NEUROLOGIC
0.2.7.1 ACUTE EXPOSURE
o CNS stimulation, excitability, tremors, convulsions,
and coma have occurred.

[Kid Amnesiac]

Scary to say the least. This was my biggest fear with these new compounds. There is a reason why others were brought to market & used for medicinal purposes. I was thinking about using some prior to the summer (I have 3 boxes.) Maybe I'll just use some H-DROL

[RatherBeLifting]

Originally Posted by Rodzilla

probably from looking up hydrazine which isn't exactly the same as dymethazine, but I'm supposing it can and did conver (whatever) for this fellow

http://www.gasdetection.com/TECH/hydrazine.html
NEUROLOGIC
0.2.7.1 ACUTE EXPOSURE
o CNS stimulation, excitability, tremors, convulsions,
and coma have occurred.

I thought I read a post saying that it could not convert into enough hydrazine to be an issue.



edit: here it is http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=20

[SplashN96]

Originally Posted by Rodzilla

probably from looking up hydrazine which isn't exactly the same as dymethazine, but I'm supposing it can and did conver (whatever) for this fellow

http://www.gasdetection.com/TECH/hydrazine.html
NEUROLOGIC
0.2.7.1 ACUTE EXPOSURE
o CNS stimulation, excitability, tremors, convulsions,
and coma have occurred.

Just to clarify I posted that article over there but it deals with the anhydrous form of hydrazine.

Looking at that article without knowing that may cause a panic, which isn't necessary. The anhydrous form is a lot more toxic.

Just saying.

Originally Posted by RatherBeLifting

I thought I read a post saying that it could not convert into enough hydrazine to be an issue.

I read something about this also but I believe it was just a discussion thread where people were speculating.

[xxAchillesxx]

I wasn't aware a doctor could determine that an anabolic substance altered the frontal lobe of the brain by looking at a toxicology report. Nobel Prize? I think so...

[Rodzilla]

Originally Posted by Kid Amnesiac

Scary to say the least. This was my biggest fear with these new compounds. There is a reason why others were brought to market & used for medicinal purposes. I was thinking about using some prior to the summer (I have 3 boxes.) Maybe I'll just use some H-DROL

probably safer, as far as what I've seen from reports on oral turinabol---->Hdrol

[patmedown167]

Wow this is going to be a very long thread. Sorry for the OP in phforum. Good luck I-Force team, I know there was never an intention to hurt anyone, and from what I see there isn't a 100% link.

[RatherBeLifting]

Originally Posted by SplashN96

I read something about this also but I believe it was just a discussion thread where people were speculating.

found it

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=20

[Rodzilla]

why was the original removed from the market? Just curious.

[Big_Spaz]

Honestly, people need to read the warning labels and take them seriously. I know this individual case may or may not be a direct restult of the supplements he was taking.


But either way, it's a risk everyone who dabbles on the "designer" side takes. It's scary stuff, and hopefully the original poster in the thread at the other forum is OK. But again we do not know all the variables in this particular situation.


And to the iForce guys, they are a group of very good guys. I even know some of them personally. And they would not put out a product that they feel is dangerous to their customers. So let's see how this plays out before we jump to conclusions.





-Spaz

[hammercurl]

Originally Posted by Shoorty0690

Well, if you've been taking supplements A, B, C and D, and have no problems for years, and all of a sudden add supplement E and experience seizures, you can pretty much assume it's the culprit. Especially if it's a PH. No one really knows how these can affect you. As soon as these companies create these formulas, they test them for a few months and send it out. There's no long term research for PH's or really any enhancing supplement.

i can understand that but dont you think its all a bit too easy to blame it on that particularly when its a ph and the fact that he seems to be the only who has suffered this

[Dumbydome]

x2 and so far as you saying you'd try and sue? Good luck on that you voluntarily ingested it and theres absolutely ZERO way for the DR to prove that it was the DS taht did it to him. Its all just speculation and heresay.

[hammercurl]

Originally Posted by xxAchillesxx

I wasn't aware a doctor could determine that an anabolic substance altered the frontal lobe of the brain by looking at a toxicology report. Nobel Prize? I think so...

lol.its actually not funny though as they could be missing the real issue/cause

[icetrauma]

Originally Posted by Big_Spaz

And to the iForce guys, they are a group of very good guys. I even know some of them personally. And they would not put out a product that they feel is dangerous to their customers. So let's see how this plays out before we jump to conclusions.





-Spaz

Lets all do this. Vaughn or Dave can you shed some light on this. Remember folks, seizures can happen for many reasons. Lets not jump the gun.

[Shoorty0690]

Originally Posted by hammercurl

i can understand that but dont you think its all a bit too easy to blame it on that particularly when its a ph and the fact that he seems to be the only who has suffered this

Yea, I understand, but the product is fairly new... Hasn't it only been out for a few months now?

As stated on this site over and over again, everyone reacts differently to supplements. Results and side effects happen differently in everyone.

I for one, am allergic to Advil. Though it's not really a sport supplement, it's still something that not many people experience, similar to the OP having side effects.

[bighead555]

Originally Posted by hammercurl

i can understand that but dont you think its all a bit too easy to blame it on that particularly when its a ph and the fact that he seems to be the only who has suffered this

I normally wouldnt question the ds here if it wasnt such a new product. I dunno tho, im still going to run a cycle of it unless I hear of any other cases,, but all in all if I get perm injured,, I-Force better pay my med bills at the very least because I cant afford to go to the doctors :P hehe

[VaughnTrue]

Hey guys,


First of all, thank you for all the support from our loyal customers.


To everyone who is believing that Dymethazine caused this guys seizures, I'd like you to take a small step back, take a deep breath, and think logically.

There has never been one documented case of Dymethazine causing a side effect like this, yet it being administered to literally THOUSANDS of patients throughout the years.

The current claim is that his doctor asked if he was on steroids, and then claimed that this product physically changed the configuration of the frontal lobe of his brain. Has anyone here ever read ANY information regarding a hormone such as dymethazine(or superdrol or any other illegal AAS for that matter that has this ability?) that was capable of physically altering ones brain?



Although unfortunate that this user is experiencing this, I am 99.999% confident Dymethazine is no more to blame than if he used any other anabolic. People who are prone to seizures(if known about the condition or not) must NOT take anabolics, of any kind. I have scoured the internet as well as books in my possession this morning, and found absolutely zero references to seizures/epilepsy brought on by Dymethazine, or ANY aas.



As to the users concerned about Hydrazine, we had 2 doctors + 1 very famous chemist look over our chemical formula and explain to us there was absolutely 0% chance of there being enough hydrazine to cause concern even at 5x the rec dosage.








If anyone has any comments, questions, or concerns, please feel free to PM me or say them in here. I'll be happy to answer any and all of them.

[blkbelt42]

Originally Posted by VaughnTrue

Hey guys,


First of all, thank you for all the support from our loyal customers.


To everyone who is believing that Dymethazine caused this guys seizures, I'd like you to take a small step back, take a deep breath, and think logically.

There has never been one documented case of Dymethazine causing a side effect like this, yet it being administered to literally THOUSANDS of patients throughout the years.

The current claim is that his doctor asked if he was on steroids, and then claimed that this product physically changed the configuration of the frontal lobe of his brain. Has anyone here ever read ANY information regarding a hormone such as dymethazine(or superdrol or any other illegal AAS for that matter that has this ability?) that was capable of physically altering ones brain?



Although unfortunate that this user is experiencing this, I am 99.999% confident Dymethazine is no more to blame than if he used any other anabolic. People who are prone to seizures(if known about the condition or not) must NOT take anabolics, of any kind. I have scoured the internet as well as books in my possession this morning, and found absolutely zero references to seizures/epilepsy brought on by Dymethazine, or ANY aas.



As to the users concerned about Hydrazine, we had 2 doctors + 1 very famous chemist look over our chemical formula and explain to us there was absolutely 0% chance of there being enough hydrazine to cause concern even at 5x the rec dosage.








If anyone has any comments, questions, or concerns, please feel free to PM me or say them in here. I'll be happy to answer any and all of them.

Good post bro.

[Dumbydome]

VT with some quality damage control.

Put it this way this claim wont stop me from taking dymeth in the future