dead lift and lift belt.

**bird72** · 02-06-2009, 03:00 PM

I need to know, if I owe or not, to use a lift belt to do dead lift. at present I carry 1 month doing dead lift with the lift belt, and I bother me enough. is well disturbs upon descending, and for correct position. is neccesary at all?
i have back problems also, i am afraid about it.

**baker** · 02-06-2009, 03:24 PM

Translation: Should I wear a belt when I deadlift.

Answer: Yes, most people do wear a belt. However, some folks around here prefer to lift "Raw". This will help build core and erector strength. If your back hurts then lighten the load and have your form checked.

**namtrag** · 02-06-2009, 03:33 PM

I am one of the raw guys.

It's a personal preference and a raging debate whether to wear a belt.

**bird72** · 02-06-2009, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by baker

Translation: Should I wear a belt when I deadlift.

Answer: Yes, most people do wear a belt. However, some folks around here prefer to lift "Raw". This will help build core and erector strength. If your back hurts then lighten the load and have your form checked.

the problem is with the belt, is very discomfort on the stomach, when you

get down. i think i need to go raw, with proper posture i believe back is gone

to be ok. i wish so.

**rbtrout** · 02-06-2009, 03:48 PM

I'm a raw guy, as well. I use a belt for heavy squats, but find that the belt bothers me when I pull. It's personal choice. Make sure you learn proper form and there shouldn't be anything to be afreaid of.

**EnigmaPower** · 02-06-2009, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by baker

Answer: Yes, most people do wear a belt

I would like to see the statistics that back that because I have seen more raw deadlifters in every gym i have ever been in.

**ntrllftr** · 02-06-2009, 03:57 PM

What type of belt do you have?
A leather one?

Maybe go to the store and try one on and mimic the exercise before you buy it.
They do make them in different widths.

If you have back problems it would be wise to use one. IMO.

.

**bird72** · 02-06-2009, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by ntrllftr

What type of belt do you have?
A leather one?

Maybe go to the store and try one on and mimic the exercise before you buy it.
They do make them in different widths.

If you have back problems it would be wise to use one. IMO.

.

i think you get to the problem...

i get one from sears, a weider one, is about 5" all around

is like that belt, but weider brand.and have a pad support on it's back.

feel great to do squats, but on dead's, is killing my form and my belly.

**Stenn** · 02-06-2009, 04:14 PM

Bird72, I've had the same trouble deadlifting with belts. The belt gets in the way and moves around during the lift. I've tried many different belts: bodybuilder, powerlifter, velcro, leather, etc. but none of them felt comfortable. I now deadlift without a belt and have gotten as high as 380 lb with no regrets.

**Wayne Evans** · 02-06-2009, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by ntrllftr

What type of belt do you have?
A leather one?

Maybe go to the store and try one on and mimic the exercise before you buy it.
They do make them in different widths.

If you have back problems it would be wise to use one. IMO.

.

Good evening forumites.....

I read this thread and I kept thinking (provided the doc says one is OK to lift) that if one is leery of deads or had a previous injury wouldn't one just start with the bar only and get accustomed to form and technique prior to putting on any plates which would mitigate the need for a support belt?
I'm only shooting from the hip but I would guess it would easily take a few weeks of just using the bar to add some flexibility and strength for the injured area first.

Note that I'm not for/against it just seems a support belt may not be needed if one uses little or no weight when starting out.

I hope I'm making some sense here.

Feliz Viernes....

www.soundclick.com/wayneevansproject

**bird72** · 02-06-2009, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by sytennison

Bird72, I've had the same trouble deadlifting with belts. The belt gets in the way and moves around during the lift. I've tried many different belts: bodybuilder, powerlifter, velcro, leather, etc. but none of them felt comfortable. I now deadlift without a belt and have gotten as high as 380 lb with no regrets.

after i see 380# wow, i don't go to say my dead's weigth, i get shame

I have a friend who teach me proper form to do dead's and he say don't use it. but beleive me after i hurt my back a few years ago, i get afraid to get hurt again, that pain is like hell.

**bird72** · 02-06-2009, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Wayne Evans

Good evening forumites.....

I read this thread and I kept thinking (provided the doc says one is OK to lift) that if one is leery of deads or had a previous injury wouldn't one just start with the bar only and get accustomed to form and technique prior to putting on any plates which would mitigate the need for a support belt?
I'm only shooting from the hip but I would guess it would easily take a few weeks of just using the bar to add some flexibility and strength for the injured area first.

Note that I'm not for/against it just seems a support belt may not be needed if one uses little or no weight when starting out.

I hope I'm making some sense here.

Feliz Viernes....

www.soundclick.com/wayneevansproject

i need to clarify something, i don't get hurt doing dead's, i get hurt with a little bad movement lifting a db to do some shoulders excercises, a few years ago. the problem is an early degeneration of a disck(and bulge disck.), may be due to my job. i work seat all day, behind a computer. the problem is i and afraid to hurt it again, rigth now i feel my back strong, because i make my own back excersise program, but i still be cautious.

**chodan9** · 02-06-2009, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by bird72

i get afraid to get hurt again, that pain is like hell.

I understand this fear,
I have had back surgury and was fearful of deadlifts so I started out with a belt, but I found that I dont need it very often.
I only use it when I go over 300 pounds now, any thing under that I dont use it. I only use it above 300 as a precauction, I dont need it to complete the lift, I just wear to mentally tell myself "I'm being safe"

**Wayne Evans** · 02-06-2009, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by bird72

i need to clarify something, i don't get hurt doing dead's, i get hurt with a little bad movement lifting a db to do some shoulders excercises, a few years ago. the problem is an early degeneration of a disck(and bulge disck.), may be due to my job. i work seat all day, behind a computer. the problem is i and afraid to hurt it again, rigth now i feel my back strong, because i make my own back excersise program, but i still be cautious.

So sorry I misunderstood you bird72 about the 'disc degeneration' aspect.
That would be worrisome for me too and do be cautious.

Again...sorry I missed that.....I'm daft sometimes.<smileycon>

I think I'll have a Corona now.

**bird72** · 02-06-2009, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by chodan9

I understand this fear,
I have had back surgury and was fearful of deadlifts so I started out with a belt, but I found that I dont need it very often.
I only use it when I go over 300 pounds now, any thing under that I dont use it. I only use it above 300 as a precauction, I dont need it to complete the lift, I just wear to mentally tell myself "I'm being safe"

another 300# lifter

i think i gone to do raw, because i want to do dead's feel great.

**chodan9** · 02-06-2009, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by bird72

another 300# lifter

i think i gone to do raw, because i want to do dead's feel great.

dont go too fast!
I had to take it slow, it took me 2 years to get over 300, I am very careful with my back.
Don't rush it, the weight will come in time.

**SR800** · 02-06-2009, 04:46 PM

I have sacroilliac problems and just flat will not do the lift without a belt. I got up to 338lbs at about 150+lbs body weight last year but tweaked my back doing who know what and am just back up to around 250lb work sets right now.

**bird72** · 02-06-2009, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by SR800

I have sacroilliac problems and just flat will not do the lift without a belt. I got up to 338lbs at about 150+lbs body weight last year but tweaked my back doing who know what and am just back up to around 250lb work sets right now.

i believe hurt back is a common problem on over 35 forum

**namtrag** · 02-06-2009, 05:02 PM

405 raw for 1 rep. Back felt better than ever the next day. Not bragging, just saying it is up to us individually to decide. If I ever hurt my back, I will damn sure start using a belt.

**Old-Time-Lifter** · 02-06-2009, 05:52 PM

I've started doing deads again, but I too am moving up slowly. For me it's not about my back, but rather my bicep. (as in partially detached)

So far I have not used a belt, but I'm certain I will be putting one on soon. I wouldn't personally pull 400 without a belt..... but I'm a wuss......

**baker** · 02-06-2009, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by EnigmaPower

I would like to see the statistics that back that because I have seen more raw deadlifters in every gym i have ever been in.

Interesting. I can think of 3 or 4 people who I have seen train the DL raw for competition. They normally still belt up the day of the meet.

Originally Posted by namtrag

405 raw for 1 rep. Back felt better than ever the next day. Not bragging, just saying it is up to us individually to decide. If I ever hurt my back, I will damn sure start using a belt.

I think this is going to be my goal for 2009.

**EnigmaPower** · 02-06-2009, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by baker

Interesting. I can think of 3 or 4 people who I have seen train the DL raw for competition. They normally still belt up the day of the meet.

I asked for the statistics or was your "more use belts" based on your opinion?

**baker** · 02-06-2009, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by EnigmaPower

I asked for the statistics or was your "more use belts" based on your opinion?

Just like your "more train raw" was based on your opinion.

**Old-Time-Lifter** · 02-06-2009, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by EnigmaPower

I asked for the statistics or was your "more use belts" based on your opinion?

Originally Posted by baker

Just like your "more train raw" was based on your opinion.

Baker beat me to that one............... heck of a thing when you demand that your personal opinion must stand above everyone else's unless they have statistics.............. of course you don't need them yourself.

I think more serious lifters do deads with belts, (personally, I've never seen a competitor pull a dead in a meet without a belt of some kind) but I can't back that up with statistics.......... it's just what I've observed.

**EnigmaPower** · 02-06-2009, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Old-Time-Lifter

Baker beat me to that one............... heck of a thing when you demand that your personal opinion must stand above everyone else's unless they have statistics.............. of course you don't need them yourself.

I think more serious lifters do deads with belts, (personally, I've never seen a competitor pull a dead in a meet without a belt of some kind) but I can't back that up with statistics.......... it's just what I've observed.

Never said my opinion stood above his. I would appreciate it if he would say it was his opinion that most people use belts instead of presenting it as if it were a fact.

**Stenn** · 02-06-2009, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by bird72

the problem is an early degeneration of a disck(and bulge disck.), may be due to my job. i work seat all day, behind a computer. the problem is i and afraid to hurt it again, rigth now i feel my back strong, because i make my own back excersise program, but i still be cautious.

I used to be a computer engineer and spent all day at a desk in front of a computer. I had to be very careful of my posture to prevent back soreness. Back exercises will help your posture and make you less likely to get injured as long as you do your exercises correctly.

**EnigmaPower** · 02-06-2009, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by baker

Just like your "more train raw" was based on your opinion.

I never said more train raw. I did say I have seen more raw deadlifters and that indicates it is my opinion. Had I said more train raw instead someone can understand it as fact by mistake. Were you trying to mislead people into thinking it was a fact?

**ntrllftr** · 02-06-2009, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by EnigmaPower

Never said my opinion stood above his. I would appreciate it if he would say it was his opinion that most people use belts instead of presenting it as if it were a fact.

**EnigmaPower** · 02-06-2009, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by ntrllftr

Are you asking me to go to bed with you

**ntrllftr** · 02-06-2009, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by EnigmaPower

Are you asking me to go to bed with you

No can do. Someone is wrong somewhere.

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