women and glutamine

[ProteinMix]

Ok I know what the amino acid glutamine is and I know the purpose of it in the body and how it affects the body. I also know that women do not make enough testosterone to look like a man. I guess what I am asking is do you think that supplementing with extra glutamine is beneficial. I only ask because some people will argue that it is not necessary to supplement with extra glutamine. They feel that your body makes plenty. But others argue that you need to supplement with extra because when you workout, a lot of it is depleted. My muscles are big enough (I need to lose a lot of bodyfat), so I do not want them getting bigger, but I feel that my recovery will benefit greatly from supplementing with it. What are yalls thoughts. And I do not want my muscles to look like a man either so if it will make me all jacked then I do not want to take it. Thanks

[Emma-Leigh]

This is, as you say, an amino acid found naturally in the body....

How/ why do you think it will make you look 'all jacked like a man'....?

[kimm4]

I used to take glutamine a few years ago, but I don't feel I got anything out of it. I switched over to xtend and I like it much better.

No, you don't get jacked on glutamine.

[sammy22]

agree, was using glutamine on its own...but now having xtend and im noticing a difference :-) fan-bloody-tastic stuff!

[deawalsh]

Xtend helped me a lot too!!...I'm still taking it every workout, and can not imagine orking out without!! seriously if you have one product tospend your money on, it's XTEND!! ( by the way, I tried all the flavors and the very best on my opinion is the watermelon!!)

[MyosinNActin]

Originally Posted by kimm4

I used to take glutamine a few years ago, but I don't feel I got anything out of it. I switched over to xtend and I like it much better.

No, you don't get jacked on glutamine.

I've been taking glutamine too for 3 months now and feel no effect either!! I don't understand it...I thought for awhile I might have been getting quicker recovery and maybe it DOES help a bit...but nothing substantially noticeable. Maybe I'll think about checking out the scivation products.

[BULLandTERRIER]

glutamine is a WASTE of money

READ
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...e_dogma_part_1

[ProteinMix]

Alright thanks yall. I see we have some people on here sponsored by Scivation. So basically I can stick to my optimum nutrition whey shake and a fast digesting carb and i'll be good?

[BULLandTERRIER]

Originally Posted by ProteinMix

Alright thanks yall. I see we have some people on here sponsored by Scivation. So basically I can stick to my optimum nutrition whey shake and a fast digesting carb and i'll be good?

just stick to me and u'll b good

[kimm4]

Originally Posted by ProteinMix

Alright thanks yall. I see we have some people on here sponsored by Scivation. So basically I can stick to my optimum nutrition whey shake and a fast digesting carb and i'll be good?

I'm not sponsored by Scivation.

[sammy22]

Originally Posted by kimm4

I'm not sponsored by Scivation.

Neither am I..would be fantastic if i were though!

[bodybytwa]

I used to take glutamine and found the DOMS just weren't there. I have been thinking about trying Xtend and this thread just helped me. Thanks!

[1972girl]

Originally Posted by ProteinMix

Alright thanks yall. I see we have some people on here sponsored by Scivation. So basically I can stick to my optimum nutrition whey shake and a fast digesting carb and i'll be good?

You can find alot of threads about xtend and people raving about it. I am also an xtend fan and been drinking it for over a year at every workout. Just because people talk highly about does not make them sponsors.

[Emma-Leigh]

Originally Posted by BULLandTERRIER

glutamine is a WASTE of money

READ
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...e_dogma_part_1

^^

For *most* people.... yes...

But there are situations in which it IS very helpful.
1. immune disease or systemic illness
2. people with gastrointestinal disease/ troubles
3. people on very low calorie diets/ very low carb diets who are doing glycogen using heavy resistance training
4. those engaged in endurance training
5. diabetics.... READ ME.

Oh - and there is also this:
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...act/271/4/E748

Effect of glutamine on leucine metabolism in humans
R. G. Hankard, M. W. Haymond and D. Darmaun
Nemours Children's Clinic, Jacksonville, Florida 32247, USA.

The aim of this study was to determine whether the putative protein anabolic effect of glutamine 1) is mediated by increased protein synthesis or decreased protein breakdown and 2) is specific to glutamine. Seven healthy adults were administered 5-h intravenous infusions of L-[1-14C]leucine in the postabsorptive state while receiving in a randomized order an enteral infusion of saline on one day or L-glutamine (800 mumol.kg-1.h-1, equivalent to 0.11 g N/kg) on the other day. Seven additional subjects were studied using the same protocol except they received isonitrogenous infusion of glycine. The rates of leucine appearance (RaLeu), an index of protein degradation, leucine oxidation (OxLeu), and nonoxidative leucine disposal (NOLD), an index of protein synthesis, were measured using the 14C specific activity of plasma alpha-ketoisocaproate and the excretion rate of 14CO2 in breath. During glutamine infusion, plasma glutamine concentration doubled (673 +/- 66 vs. 1,184 +/- 37 microM, P < 0.05), whereas RaLeu did not change (122 +/- 9 vs. 122 +/- 7 mumol. kg-1.h-1), OxLeu decreased (19 +/- 2 vs. 11 +/- 1 mumol.kg-1.h-1, P < 0.01), and NOLD increased (103 +/- 8 vs. 111 +/- 6 mumol. kg-1.h-1, P < 0.01). During glycine infusion, plasma glycine increased 14-fold (268 +/- 62 vs. 3,806 +/- 546 microM, P < 0.01), but, in contrast to glutamine, RaLeu (124 +/- 6 vs. 110 +/- 4 mumol. kg-1.h-1, P = 0.02), OxLeu (17 +/- 1 vs. 14 +/- 1 mumol.kg-1.h-1, P = 0.03), and NOLD (106 +/- 5 vs. 96 +/- 3 mumol.kg-1.h-1, P < 0.05) all decreased. We conclude that glutamine enteral infusion may exert its protein anabolic effect by increasing protein synthesis, whereas an isonitrogenous amount of glycine merely decreases protein turnover with only a small anabolic effect resulting from a greater decrease in proteolysis than protein synthesis.

And: http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org...ull/55/12/3470
^^^

In rodent islets, the combination of leucine and glutamine potently increases insulin secretion through allosteric stimulation of glutamate dehydrogenase (by leucine) and provision of carbons to the Krebs cycle (by both leucine and glutamine) (33,34). As shown in Fig. 5A, the two amino acids (5 mmol/l each) induced biphasic insulin secretion from human islets in the presence of 3 mmol/l glucose. Their effect was markedly potentiated by forskolin...

And this:
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org...pplement_2/S39

Despite the fact that L-glutamine is rapidly taken up and metabolized by islets, it alone does not stimulate insulin secretion or potentiate glucose-induced insulin secretion (14). However, it enhanced L-leucine?induced insulin secretion (5). This action has been attributed to activation of glutamate dehydrogenase (GDH) by L-leucine, which leads to an increased entry of L-glutamine?derived carbon into the TCA cycle and subsequent oxidation. It is known that glucose inhibits glutaminolysis in ?-cells (41), presumably via GTP-dependent allosteric inhibition of GDH, resulting in accumulation of L-glutamate and thus product-dependent inhibition of glutaminase, and as a result blocks leucine-stimulated insulin secretion (see Fig. 3 for details).

[jaim91]

Originally Posted by ProteinMix

Alright thanks yall. I see we have some people on here sponsored by Scivation. So basically I can stick to my optimum nutrition whey shake and a fast digesting carb and i'll be good?

The Scivation sponsorship happened AFTER I started using the products (I was raving about them BEFORE I got picked up).

But if you don't take my word for it, you have tons of knowledgeable and awesome looking women (including Kimm) that back up Xtend

[girl8]

Thanks for the info....I was recommended to take 5 mg glutamine at night and 5 mg after working out mmmmm???

I thought I'd read about it before I try anything.
I currently just supp with whey and vitamin C and Fiber
Cycling carbs
REAL clean diet

I have 23 more lbs to lose
I'm 170
134 lean mass


So you all are rocking Xtend huh?

sorry my contribution isn't much for this thread just thanking people for helping me ponder about supplements .... Thank you

[kimm4]

Originally Posted by jaim91

The Scivation sponsorship happened AFTER I started using the products (I was raving about them BEFORE I got picked up).

But if you don't take my word for it, you have tons of knowledgeable and awesome looking women (including Kimm) that back up Xtend

Thanks girl!

Yeah in all honesty, if I was only allowed to use 1 supp...I would have to ditch my whey protein and keep the Xtend...it's that good!!

[Guejsn]

Originally Posted by ProteinMix

Ok I know what the amino acid glutamine is and I know the purpose of it in the body and how it affects the body. I also know that women do not make enough testosterone to look like a man. I guess what I am asking is do you think that supplementing with extra glutamine is beneficial. I only ask because some people will argue that it is not necessary to supplement with extra glutamine. They feel that your body makes plenty. But others argue that you need to supplement with extra because when you workout, a lot of it is depleted. My muscles are big enough (I need to lose a lot of bodyfat), so I do not want them getting bigger, but I feel that my recovery will benefit greatly from supplementing with it. What are yalls thoughts. And I do not want my muscles to look like a man either so if it will make me all jacked then I do not want to take it. Thanks

It depends what you want and how experienced you are at training and what your training is like. The studies on glutamine supplementation are conflicted as to whether it does anything at all. For the average person who does not do a lot, then I would recommend it for improved immune function, but for the hard training athlete then even huge doses (i.e. up to 20g/day) may not do anything! Read: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...on-immune.html.

And your muscles are NOT going to "look like a man", and certainly NOT from glutamine! Read post #55 at http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...2276481&page=2.

[StephanieShine]

Can't hurt you to take an extra 5, even 10 grams a day. Check the amount in your protien powder first. Most have a good amount already in them.

[dvsness]

Glutamine helps with glucose disposal, gut health, and definitely recovery (real world application does not always mirror science; every competitor I know uses it during contest prep). It helps me feel like I haven't been beaten in my sleep pre-contest.