T3 discussion..

hazard_mkd · 01-26-2009, 04:12 PM

Ok.. I wanna hear a really good reason why to taper t3.. up and down.. i mean, maybe a tapering on start would be ok.. so u can feel how much is enough for u.. but thats all!.. i mean, it has a short half-life, and anything above 12.5mcg's ed would shut down natural production. as we know, the half-life isn't dose dependent, so WHY TAPER DOWN?!

why not start at 25.. 50.. 75..75.. 75.... 75.. for 4-6wks and then just come off.. maybe take some thyroid support supplementation, whose effectiveness is debatable, but no harm will come. and we know that the thyroid gland is VERY good at restoring its function.. (there has been studies where the thyroid restores it's full function quickly after YEARS of t3 therapy..)
so once u find ur sweet spot.. the next cycle would be 50 or 75mcg's from start to finish... end of story..

b.t.w doesn't this looks to u like the ooold-school tapering with anabolics, where bb's thought it was a must, and yet, we all know it was BS!

now your turn...

hazard_mkd · 01-27-2009, 04:04 AM

nobody?!

**strength777** · 01-27-2009, 05:53 AM

your 6 ft 4 209 lbs

you dont need t3

DjJAN · 01-27-2009, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by strength_77

your 6 ft 4 209 lbs

you dont need t3

That what was i gonna say..Ur skinny man(no offence),u should try to add some mass,and T3 will not be very helpfull..

And if u want ur thyroid to function properly u should tapper up slowly in the begining and 1-2 weeks before u stop tapper down...T3 and steroids are 2 different things..U dont want to "play" with ur thyroid...and if tappering down was "old-school" we are at 2009 we should already know that,dont u think?

sixguns · 01-27-2009, 07:44 AM

o/p Where'd you get those lifting gloves? they make you look huge!! i would like to get a pair for myself

Baal · 01-27-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DjJAN

That what was i gonna say..Ur skinny man(no offence),u should try to add some mass,and T3 will not be very helpfull..

And if u want ur thyroid to function properly u should tapper up slowly in the begining and 1-2 weeks before u stop tapper down...T3 and steroids are 2 different things..U dont want to "play" with ur thyroid...and if tappering down was "old-school" we are at 2009 we should already know that,dont u think?

DjJAN you're usually spot on....but Im gonna have to say I disagree with this post...sorry bro.

T3 can greatly increase our gains by increasing our metabolism. Simply the more food we can process the better. Of course eating 7000cals a day can lead to great fat gain, T3 and morning mildly intense cardio can help keep this at bay without hindering gains.

The only bad thing I can think of from doing regular cardio...and it's more myth as far as Im concerned.....competitors say doing cardio in the offseason their body gets used to it and dont respond the same when dieting for a contest. My response to this is, if you're leaner in the offseason from the cardio you wont need to get crazy.

To many people fear cardio will affect their gains, but it actually can increase your gains indirectly. There are also many other benefits to doing cardio in the off season. As we grow and pack on muscle mass our heart has to work harder and harder, especially with extra stress from AAS -Blood pressure, Hemocrit. Cardiovascular training will help keep us healthy.

whitegato1488 · 01-27-2009, 09:14 AM

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=113438461

hazard_mkd · 01-27-2009, 01:32 PM

many of the posts here didn't had anything to do with the prob..

who said i was gonna take t3?!
is this discussion about my stats, and lifting gloves..?

I just wanna challenge the tapering protocol!
WHY?!

tapering up is ok, so u can fell how the T3 reacts to ur body..

tapering down ISN'T necessary imo.. why? bc your thyroid is shut down completely at 25mcg as well as at 125mcg's... the half life od the drug is the same at 25mcg and 125mcg..

i gave u a reason why no taper down is necessary.
u give me reason why it is.. a logical one.. not because someone said u need to...

p.s. u won't "play" with your thyroid.. you'd play with your body's metabolism.. the thyroid is shut-down the entire time.. (the same at 25 and 125 mcg)

Drumed · 01-27-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hazard_mkd

many of the posts here didn't had anything to do with the prob..

who said i was gonna take t3?!
is this discussion about my stats, and lifting gloves..?

I just wanna challenge the tapering protocol!
WHY?!

tapering up is ok, so u can fell how the T3 reacts to ur body..

tapering down ISN'T necessary imo.. why? bc your thyroid is shut down completely at 25mcg as well as at 125mcg's... the half life od the drug is the same at 25mcg and 125mcg..

i gave u a reason why no taper down is necessary.
u give me reason why it is.. a logical one.. not because someone said u need to...

p.s. u won't "play" with your thyroid.. you'd play with your body's metabolism.. the thyroid is shut-down the entire time.. (the same at 25 and 125 mcg)

Do it and find out. ha

vein5 · 01-27-2009, 01:52 PM

I never taper down with clen or t-3. Once your shut down, your shut down. I can gain while on t-3 bc I am a endomorph. Quit the bashing bc even though this kid don't need t-3, it intrests other people!

DjJAN · 01-27-2009, 03:04 PM

Question:

Quote:

Originally Posted by hazard_mkd

who said i was gonna take t3?!

Answer:

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Originally Posted by hazard_mkd

the next cycle would be 50 or 75mcg's from start to finish... end of story..

Question:

Quote:

Originally Posted by hazard_mkd

p.s. u won't "play" with your thyroid.. you'd play with your body's metabolism.. the thyroid is shut-down the entire time.. (the same at 25 and 125 mcg)

Answer:
overactive thyroid = fast metabolism
underactive thyroid = slow metabolism
playing with ur thyroid = playing with ur metabolism

Question:

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Originally Posted by hazard_mkd

i gave u a reason why no taper down is necessary.
u give me reason why it is.. a logical one.. not because someone said u need to...

Answer:

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Originally Posted by www..com

T3 CYTOMEL

Cytomel T3 is a synthetic form of the thyroid hormone tri-iodio-thyronine or T3, made up of a metabolite of the amino acid tyrosine and 3 iodine ions.
In fitness, Cytomel T3 is mostly used as weight loss drug. Thyroid hormones are often referred to as the metabolic regulators of the body. High levels of T3 speed up the metabolism of an individual, allowing him to burn more calories and use calories more sufficiently.

CYTOMEL CYCLE
Generally, cycles should be limited to 3-4 weeks max, we?d recommend 3 weeks and alternating cycles with 3-week cycles of clenbuterol. But most importantly, to avoid a crash or a shock to the thyroid function doses need to be built up over time and tapered off again. More so for Cytomel T3, than for any other drug.

Week 1
Week 2
Week 3

T3 Cytomix 80mcg
1-2 tabs/day
2-3 tabs/day
1-2 tabs/day
Rest for 2-3 weeks, repeat

CYTOMEL SIDE EFFECT

Natural thyroid functions can be seriously affected if Cytomel T3 is misused. It is very important to taper this supplement up and down properly. Other side effects may be: Headache, irritability, nervousness, sweating, tachycardia, increased bowel motility and menstrual irregularities. Because of liothyronine's rapid cut-off of activity, such symptoms will generally disappear within a few days after dosage is reduced. Angina pectoris or congestive heart failure may be induced or aggravated. Massive over dosage may result in symptoms resembling thyroid storm. Chronic excessive dosage will produce the signs and symptoms of hyperthyroidism

...

Also something that i heard from some people,is that coming of without tapering down,it will cause u to gain all the weight u lost back fast..So what do u believe,is it worth it to risk it and istead of spending 2-3 days tapering up and 2-3 days tapering down,not to taper and get the "sides"..Why to risk it? AAS and T3 are too completely different thinks..If tapering down T3 was "oldschool",believe me we are in 2009 we should already know about it..

And i didnt want to offend u or something,i just told u my personal opinion..If i did am sorry..

hazard_mkd · 01-27-2009, 03:35 PM

"the next cycle would be 50 or 75mcg's from start to finish... end of story.. " was reffering to a hypothetical person that would do a cycle.. after he found out what was his right dosage with their first cycle.. using taper-up..
so, i never said that I would do a t3 cycle.. nor that i need to do one..

playing with your metabolism does not mean u play with ur thyroid gland.. two different stuff connected together with T3..

a faster metabolism does not mean u have a hyper-active thyroid gland.. its a direct result of the exogenous T3.. in our case..

the thyroid gland is shut down at as low as 25mcg's, its the same with a higher dosage.. we control the metabolism by taking exogenous T3 hormone. the stuff that the thyroid gland naturally produces to naturally control the metabolism.

well it's natural if u continue to eat as much food as hard as u did on t3, to gain back the fat lost...

thats why you should take it easy after the cycle..

but still we are getting back to the same.. someone said it is better to taper...

i wanna see some facts!.. also it'd be nice if someone comes forward with the experience both with tapering and a single dosage T3 use.. and tell us what wes the recovery time in both cases..

ManlyMan2 · 01-27-2009, 04:15 PM

I myself think that if u use 50-75 mcg,there's no need to taper, but I also believe t3 use should be used to boost metabolism and not as a "weight loss" thing if that makes sense.

Using it just to lose weight isnt that good of an idea, but when used with test just to help keep you lean while packing in the cals to grow, I think it's great at 50-75 a day.

Just never over 100mcg/day IMO.

DjJAN · 01-27-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hazard_mkd

"the next cycle would be 50 or 75mcg's from start to finish... end of story.. " was reffering to a hypothetical person that would do a cycle.. after he found out what was his right dosage with their first cycle.. using taper-up..
so, i never said that I would do a t3 cycle.. nor that i need to do one..
..

Ok,sory am so stupid(me & strentgh) that i didnt quess that,thats what u was trying to say..I quess i had to imagine all this story from the one sentence u wrote!

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Originally Posted by hazard_mkd

playing with your metabolism does not mean u play with ur thyroid gland.. two different stuff connected together with T3..

a faster metabolism does not mean u have a hyper-active thyroid gland.. its a direct result of the exogenous T3.. in our case..

I never said that playing with ur metabolism means that u play with ur th gland...and i never said that faster metabolism = hyper active thyroid..I quess u dont pay attention..

What i said is that T3 will cause a faster metabolism(overactive thyroid),not the oposite,to people like u and me who dont have any problem with our thyroid...This will cause a faster conver*sion of carbohydrates, proteins, and fats = lypolysis...

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Originally Posted by hazard_mkd

well it's natural if u continue to eat as much food as hard as u did on t3, to gain back the fat lost...

thats why you should take it easy after the cycle..

but still we are getting back to the same.. someone said it is better to taper...

i wanna see some facts!.. also it'd be nice if someone comes forward with the experience both with tapering and a single dosage T3 use.. and tell us what wes the recovery time in both cases..

The recovery time depends on the duration of ur cycle...I dont know what ur trying to prove here and u attack me like that..i just post u something u can find in all sites,things that are written down by doctors,fitness instructors,etc..Things that u can find in any site on the net..So what more prove do u need?...Why to risk it?

There are some questions like "what time should i take Gh?" that ur going to take about 1000 different answers...For cytomel things are easier because u dont risk anything by tapering up and down u and have only 2 choices..The one is:
-to risk it and start a dose like 50-100mcg/day without tapering down

and the other one

-to Tapper up and then down and be safe

What would u choose?