SUS 500 + TREN 250 Side Effects

[njplaymaker]

In May 2008 I started taking SUS 500, Was taking 4 on some day on others taking 6, also taking 2 tren 250......I Know this is over doing it...and now I think I am paying for it. Turns out the Sus 500 has caused a dramatic change in sperm count.....does anyone know if this is a permanent effect and how long it takes to get this out of your system completely...?

I stopped taking everything around Sept/OCT......

Thanks

[Grinners]

So 5 months on sus500 and tren250 at 4-6 tablets a day...?

[njplaymaker]

Ya....4-6 Sus 500 2 Tren 250....4 or 5 mos, then cut down to just 2 sus 2 tren....

[Altitude]

How do you know your sperm count went down? Did you test before and after? And there are several variables in sperm, not just an overall count (motility, for example).

[njplaymaker]

Yeah, my wife and i have been trying but nothing, so I had a sperm count test done and some blood work about a month ago and at that time i had Zero sperm count.

I talked to 3 nutritionists and some people that had taking Sus, One of them said that his sperm count dramatically dropped. and the nutritionists said that Sus has the right chemical make up to cause sperm issues.

[Altitude]

A "zero" sperm count? I'm not sure that's physically possible without introducing some serious toxicity into your system. A semi-mild PH doesn't affect sperm counts like that. There may be other things going on with you that you are not aware of. Have you seen an MD? I think nutritionists are glorified Vitamin Cottage employees.

[Altitude]

Yeah, my wife and i have been trying but nothing, so I had a sperm count test done and some blood work about a month ago and at that time i had Zero sperm count.

I talked to 3 nutritionists and some people that had taking Sus, One of them said that his sperm count dramatically dropped. and the nutritionists said that Sus has the right chemical make up to cause sperm issues.

Let me also ask again - did you have a sperm test done BEFORE you had your cycle? That's pretty important here.......

[njplaymaker]

No i didn't have a test pre-cycle. And it would be impossible to tell because she was on the pill.

But my urologist said the test came back "i had no sperm"...I am being re-tested within the week....He took me off everything...I was on Andro-Gel, and some other basic supplements but for 45 days I haven't taken anything except pre and post workout non-test booster type products...

Options if it came back the same way are Testicular Biopsy which i hear is painful...so I won't do that....and Invetro? that is super duper expansive...too much for us at this moment. Our ages, though not old, can play a part/factor into this...37 and 38.

She did have all her testing and is fine though**

[Altitude]

This isn't the place to judge you because I'm sure you now realize how silly it was to be on PHs for 4-5 months straight, but I still don't think that would essentially leave you 100% sterile. If you didn't have the semen test done beforehand, I'm guessing you have other things going on that are causing this. As much as I'd hate to go through this myself, the biopsy might be the best course of action here for a guy with "zero sperm." It could be a simple blockage or it could be something cancerous.......best to find out from a medical doctor to put your mind at ease.

[njplaymaker]

Thanks for the advice.

Biopsy will be tough to do. This week I re-do the sperm test and the blood test. If it comes back the same way, he wants me to see a Fertility Specialist...Blockage might make sense...It isn't testicular cancer, might be something else...but I get checked for Testy' Cancer.


Thanks Again...

[Dumbydome]

Thanks for the advice.

Biopsy will be tough to do. This week I re-do the sperm test and the blood test. If it comes back the same way, he wants me to see a Fertility Specialist...Blockage might make sense...It isn't testicular cancer, might be something else...but I get checked for Testy' Cancer.


Thanks Again...

Ouch. While i agree that cycle was a bit much i hope it really didnt cause permanent damage to ya. Gl on the kid man.

[njplaymaker]

Thanks.

[njplaymaker]

Side nOte***

Not sure if this is related to my issue.....

When I ride the spinning bike or upright bike for 20+ min, when I am done I get this numbing-tingly feeling in my kibbles and bits.....this has been going on for quite some time......seperate issue or all possibly relevant.

[Altitude]

Yeah man....like I said that is not an area you want to f--with. Have you felt around for a lump or anything out of the ordinary? Go see a specialist.

[njplaymaker]

My Urologist checks me out Quarterly, just saw him 10 days ago...no lump.

New Blood work getting done next week....scheduled to see him on 2/18.

Will mention everything here and what i read online about Prostate problems, Urination problems etc....


But I think this is just a Health problem with me, supplements may have been over done but don't think they have much to do with these problems...

[Grinners]

A semi-mild PH doesn't affect sperm counts like that.

Semi-mild... do you know what sus-500 is...?

Superdrol, pheraplex and figenix... and he was taking 6 a day! + tren250!

[njplaymaker]

*Side Note*

I took 4-6 sus 500 based on conversations with Obvious genius' friends of mine, but i hold my self completely responsible for this. But am 340lbs so taking a double does based on the recommendations of 2-3 for someone 180lbs didn't seem far fetched at the time. I have heard of HS kids taking SUS and failing steroid tests? ?? ? ?
Is it really that potent.

The guy who makes it, made it...had to change it's original dosage for the Sus and the Tren, if you have seen them or taken them, the originals were double the size of the one's out now, apparently there was some questions regarding the original product and it having too much of something in it, i don't know the details, just heard that from the manager of a gym one day..but there is a difference...i had like 4 of the original sus and saw the new sus, pill size is dramatically decreased.

[Altitude]

I meant semi-mild in comparison to the real thing - straight steroids.

[njplaymaker]

SUS 500...
Nutrition Facts:
Serving Size 1 softgel
Servings Per Container 60
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Estra-4, 9-diene-3
17-dione
13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2
5(10)-diene-17-one 3
17-keto-etiochol-triene
silymarin Extract
TPGS (Advanced Delivery System)
*percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.

Ingredients: Active Ingredients: Estra-4, 9-Diene-3, 17-Dione, 13-Ethyl-3-Methoxy-Gona-2, 5(10)-Diene-17-One 3, 17-Keto-Etiochol-Tnene, Silymarin Extract, TPGS (Advanced Delivery System), in a Base of Safflower Oil, Gelatin.

[plaskowski2002]

Ya....4-6 Sus 500 2 Tren 250....4 or 5 mos, then cut down to just 2 sus 2 tren....

did you not read the phuckin bottle? not to be an ass but that was a dip **** thing to do. you could really phuck yourself up that way. 8 weeks max it says! i run it no longer than 4 weeks at 2 for 2 weeks and 3 for 2 weeks. gez dude. what made you do this anyway?

[plaskowski2002]

A "zero" sperm count? I'm not sure that's physically possible without introducing some serious toxicity into your system. A semi-mild PH doesn't affect sperm counts like that. There may be other things going on with you that you are not aware of. Have you seen an MD? I think nutritionists are glorified Vitamin Cottage employees.

sus is not mild. its very potent cmon.

[njplaymaker]

There was a reverse of the stack.
I think after the first 6 weeks I switched to 3 weeks of Tren's, then back to Sus for 8 weeks....Then i stopped.

I log anything I take now...which is nothing....but live and learn...I increased them because they started to work, i mean my bench jumped about 40lbs in the summer alone.....

[plaskowski2002]

There was a reverse of the stack.
I think after the first 6 weeks I switched to 3 weeks of Tren's, then back to Sus for 8 weeks....Then i stopped.

I log anything I take now...which is nothing....but live and learn...I increased them because they started to work, i mean my bench jumped about 40lbs in the summer alone.....

if it started to work then you should of left it alone. with PHs you want to use the least amount to get the job done. that also keeps sides low. then come off of it, give yourself the propper time off and then run it again if you want. youll keep more of the gains that way. more isnt always better. youll get it bro.

[plaskowski2002]

so are you ok or what? hope your ok man. i wouldnt do anything hormonal for along time.

[njplaymaker]

I don't think I have had anything but some Liver pills, Vitamins, NO, Protein since October....nothing consistent either.

I don't have any problems other then the sperm levels....I have that scheduled. So I will know soon enough....
Thanks..

[plaskowski2002]

I don't think I have had anything but some Liver pills, Vitamins, NO, Protein since October....nothing consistent either.

I don't have any problems other then the sperm levels....I have that scheduled. So I will know soon enough....
Thanks..

keep me posted. id liek to see how this all pans out. good luck with the doc and stuff.

[mrclemsonu]

I meant semi-mild in comparison to the real thing - straight steroids.

My friend, I beg to differ. In comparison to say a cycle of Test Enanthate... hands down IMO the Test cycle is MUCH safer.

In Test you're dealing with a substance that is synthetic of the human hormone and has been around for a LONG time. With Sus 500, you're dealing with chemicals that are proven to be detrimental to certain aspects of the human body w/o proper PCT and most of the substances haven't been researched NEAR as much, there is no telling what they could do in the long run. 6 weeks of 2 pills a day for a 200 lb human is plenty with Sus 500, especially with a proper cycle. This guy did 20 wks of double and triple PLUS Tren.

OP I feel for you, please don't let people mislead you and do your own research... I myself suffered from this early on and hopefully that won't happen again. You are by-all-means doing the proper thing seeing a doctor. I think I speak for all of us when I say, best of luck to you.

[plaskowski2002]

My friend, I beg to differ. In comparison to say a cycle of Test Enanthate... hands down IMO the Test cycle is MUCH safer.

In Test you're dealing with a substance that is synthetic of the human hormone and has been around for a LONG time. With Sus 500, you're dealing with chemicals that are proven to be detrimental to certain aspects of the human body w/o proper PCT and most of the substances haven't been researched NEAR as much, there is no telling what they could do in the long run. 6 weeks of 2 pills a day for a 200 lb human is plenty with Sus 500, especially with a proper cycle. This guy did 20 wks of double and triple PLUS Tren.

OP I feel for you, please don't let people mislead you and do your own research... I myself suffered from this early on and hopefully that won't happen again. You are by-all-means doing the proper thing seeing a doctor. I think I speak for all of us when I say, best of luck to you.

agreed 100%

[mrclemsonu]

sus is not mild. its very potent cmon.

Right again you are. One of the harshest there is... with that being said, the gains are great (especially strength).

[njplaymaker]

keep me posted. id liek to see how this all pans out. good luck with the doc and stuff.

Thanks!