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    Question splenda or organic cane sugar?

    i'm torn. high fructose corn syrup is obviously out, and table sugar is empty calories.

    but when it comes down to artificial sweetener vs. organic cane juice, which is better?
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    Originally Posted by pecan View Post
    i'm torn. high fructose corn syrup is obviously out, and table sugar is empty calories.

    but when it comes down to artificial sweetener vs. organic cane juice, which is better?
    I was looking at a gram of Splenda and it has almost a gram of sugar in it. So it's still has sugar just none of the calories. Strange.
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    How is organic cane juice not empty calories?
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    Originally Posted by gixxer0.6g View Post
    I was looking at a gram of Splenda and it has almost a gram of sugar in it. So it's still has sugar just none of the calories. Strange.
    yeah tru but 1 gram of splenda is about 5 times the volume of 1 gram of sugar and 5 times the sweetness

    and as for the op if you dont want extra calories then use splenda if the extra calories is not a problem just have the sugar and the difference in normal sugar and organic cane sugar is so small there is basically no difference
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    Originally Posted by pecan View Post
    i'm torn. high fructose corn syrup is obviously out, and table sugar is empty calories.

    but when it comes down to artificial sweetener vs. organic cane juice, which is better?
    Cane juice is pre-refined table sugar... splenda is a low calorie sweetener.

    I don't see how you can compare the two. If you're after low calorie, then clearly splenda is the choice. Otherwise there is little difference between table sugar, sugar cane juice and high fructose corn syrup except for slight difference in the proportions of sugar in them and a very small amount of nutrients in cane juice.
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    i guess it's boiling down to "small amount of nutrients and empty calories" vs "zero nutrients but zero empty calories"..and sort of the question of whether a study is eventually going to come out showing that splenda is going to cause some latent form of cancer or something. :\

    gix, granular splenda has enough thickener (dextrose, a sugar) in it to match the volume of sugar. i agree that it is ridicuous. but liquid sucralose or splenda packets contain much less filler.
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    Originally Posted by pecan View Post
    a study is eventually going to come out showing that splenda is going to cause some latent form of cancer or something. :\
    ive read studies saying is you sleep more then 7 hours a night you die earlier. most studies are bull**** imo
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    Originally Posted by pecan View Post
    i'm torn. high fructose corn syrup is obviously out, and table sugar is empty calories.

    but when it comes down to artificial sweetener vs. organic cane juice, which is better?
    What do you think organic cane juice is? It's got some riboflavin. That's about it.

    And I've always wondered how those packets can have pure glucose but still be safe for diabetics. Anyone?
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    Originally Posted by pecan View Post
    high fructose corn syrup is obviously out
    Why?

    table sugar is empty calories.

    but when it comes down to artificial sweetener vs. organic cane juice, which is better?
    Table sugar is sucrose.

    Cane juice is sucrose.

    Sucrose is a dissacharride of glucose and fructose.

    HFCS is a syrup of (approximately) 50/50 glucose and fructose, and is nutritionally equivalent to sucrose.
    No sir, I don't like it.
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    Originally Posted by Mr. Horse View Post
    Why?



    Table sugar is sucrose.

    Cane juice is sucrose.

    Sucrose is a dissacharride of glucose and fructose.

    HFCS is a syrup of (approximately) 50/50 glucose and fructose, and is nutritionally equivalent to sucrose.
    But I saw on the internet that it causes cancer and makes you fat?!?!? How is this possible? It's ....unnatural!
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    Originally Posted by Seamless View Post
    But I saw on the internet that it causes cancer and makes you fat?!?!? How is this possible? It's ....unnatural!
    I stand corrected.
    No sir, I don't like it.
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    Originally Posted by Bramble View Post
    ive read studies saying is you sleep more then 7 hours a night you die earlier. most studies are bull**** imo
    It's not so much that the studies are bull**** as that too many people jump to conclusions based on not really understanding the studies.

    (although many studies ARE bull****, but there's some skill involved in figuring that out, too)
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    A lot of people just take any type of correlation, coincidental or not, related or not, and assume that there's causation there.

    I'm just waiting for a study to say something along the lines of "people who wear dark colors die earlier: more at 7."
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    Originally Posted by Seamless View Post
    "people who wear dark colors die earlier"
    I'd be shocked if it weren't true.
    No sir, I don't like it.
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    HFCS isnt 50/50 hence why it's called HIGH fructose corn syrup. I think its 60/40. Really though hfcs doesn't deserve the rap it gets, it's simply a scapegoat for people who eat way to much simple and/or refined carbs and cant control themselves.

    The HFCS in your coke didnt make you fat, drinking 8 a day is what made you fat.

    In any case, when it comes down to it, you decide if you want the cals or not.

    Sugar - tastes great, 4cals/g
    splenda - tastes exactly like sugar, only 600x stronger gram per gram 0cals/g pure, 4cals/g if combined with dextrose, although 1 gram is more than enough to sweeten anything.
    stevia - very sweet, but tastes a little off. 0clas/g
    aspartame - sweet but tastes very off (imo) 0cals/g
    acesulfame-k - sweet, but poorly sutdied, and current studies show it could be dangerous 0cals/g

    take your pick
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    Originally Posted by Opies View Post
    HFCS isnt 50/50 hence why it's called HIGH fructose corn syrup. I think its 60/40. Really though hfcs doesn't deserve the rap it gets, it's simply a scapegoat for people who eat way to much simple and/or refined carbs and cant control themselves.

    The HFCS in your coke didnt make you fat, drinking 8 a day is what made you fat.
    its HIGH fructose because corn syrup doesn't normally have it. HFCS is typically 42-55% fructose.
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    Originally Posted by Opies View Post
    HFCS isnt 50/50 hence why it's called HIGH fructose corn syrup. I think its 60/40.
    That's why I said "approximately". HFCS used in soft drinks is usually HFCS-55.

    "According to Maureen Storey, Ph.D., CFNAP director and a member of the study team, there are three types of HFCS products (HFCS-55, HFCS-42, and HFCS-90), but only HFCS-55 and HFCS-42 are commonly used as sweeteners. HFCS-90 is mainly used in the production of HFCS-55, but is seldom directly added to foods and beverages. The composition of HFCS-55 (55% fructose and 42% glucose) is very similar to that of sucrose (50% fructose and 50% glucose). HFCS-42 (42% fructose and 53% glucose) actually contains less fructose than sucrose does. "

    from http://www.newsdesk.umd.edu/sociss/r...ArticleID=1470
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    Originally Posted by Mr. Horse View Post
    Why?
    my mentality is that health is more important than anything else. empty calories aren't going to do anything for your body.

    where i get confused is the fact that i feel sugar in itself needn't be a detrimental part of the diet (hello, glucose IS what we run on). however, there are plenty of studies linking sugar to bone loss, candida, decreased immune functioning, and on and on.

    then again, the "artificial" part of artificial sweeteners kind of implies less than healthy. but if it's a trade-off for the above problems, i'll take it.

    i'm also not expecting a right or wrong answer on this, but i am very interested in everyone's opinions.
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    Just because there's no chemicals in Stevia doesn't mean it's a Godsend. It's got the same issues as all artificial sweeteners. Fine in moderation, eat too much, bad ****s gonna happen.
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    Originally Posted by pecan View Post
    however, there are plenty of studies linking sugar to bone loss, candida, decreased immune functioning, and on and on.
    There's no good quality studies that show any of this though...
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    I'd use 100% cane syrup on pancakes or oatmeal. That stuff is delicious.
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    Originally Posted by pecan View Post
    i'm torn. high fructose corn syrup is obviously out, and table sugar is empty calories.

    but when it comes down to artificial sweetener vs. organic cane juice, which is better?
    i use agave, its low glycemic and has the consistancy of honey, their is also powdered agave but its hard to find, the only store that i know carries it is Erewhon in west hollywood/LA area. That store is pretty awesome though, as far as having healthy foods it doesnt get any more intense
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    i'm going to try this agave. i've heard great things, thanks for the reminder!
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    Originally Posted by pecan View Post
    i'm going to try this agave. i've heard great things, thanks for the reminder!
    Agave is little more than pure fructose (70-90% fructose). It's a HIGH fructose sweetener so of course it doesn't impact blood sugar levels, what it does to your blood triglyceride levels is another thing.
    http://www.naturalnews.com/024892.html

    Honey, stevia, raw sugar or cane juice are better options imo.
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    Originally Posted by Seamless View Post
    Just because there's no chemicals in Stevia doesn't mean it's a Godsend. It's got the same issues as all artificial sweeteners. Fine in moderation, eat too much, bad ****s gonna happen.
    I think the case for stevia isn't so much the fact that it's natural but because it has been used for centuries (e.g. Japan) and so we have an insight on the long term effects of it. We don't have this same knowledge for all, yes all artificial sweeteners.

    Conclusion: Artificial sweeteners MAY really turn out to be harmless even 1000 years from now, but I'm playing safe and taking Stevia in moderation. Some sucralose/aspartame/saccharin etc OCCASIONALLY is not that bad, just don't make it a staple.
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    even i don't want to smell myself after i eat too much splenda.

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    Originally Posted by GeneRebel View Post
    I think the case for stevia isn't so much the fact that it's natural but because it has been used for centuries (e.g. Japan) and so we have an insight on the long term effects of it. We don't have this same knowledge for all, yes all artificial sweeteners.

    Conclusion: Artificial sweeteners MAY really turn out to be harmless even 1000 years from now, but I'm playing safe and taking Stevia in moderation. Some sucralose/aspartame/saccharin etc OCCASIONALLY is not that bad, just don't make it a staple.
    Stevia has been shown to lower sperm count and make you sterile... natural does not mean good... go eat some poison ivy or tobacco leaves and see if it's fine. Sucralose has been shown to be fine in moderation, been cancer causing to rats when consumed at several times their body weights.
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    off topic a bit, but i hate those commercials about high fructose corn syrup, they get so annoying trying to make it seem like it's a good thing, dumb asses
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    Originally Posted by bigredelts View Post
    off topic a bit, but i hate those commercials about high fructose corn syrup, they get so annoying trying to make it seem like it's a good thing, dumb asses
    Well it's not a bad thing.
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