Hamas to Israel: What has gotten into you, all of the sudden?

[Footballguru]

Here's why I'm not mad:

If you had the chance to kill 500 of your enemies (really in this case it's just males, not even confirmed to be fighters) but you also had to bear upon your conscience the death of 500 women and children. Would you do it? Would you personally kill 500 innocents for 500 enemies?

I personally would not do it, which is why I cannot possibly be mad at a group of people that have made a decision to damn themselves. I do not envy a man who has killed a single innocent person.

It is tragic that many Palestinians who are not directly involved in terrorism are suffering as a result of the actions of their leaders. While no one wants to see any noncombatants harmed, it is important to acknowledge that all Palestinians in Gaza bear some responsibility for their current predicament. After all, they voted to empower Hamas in an election in which they knew the organization's platform called for the destruction of Israel and the use of terrorism to achieve its aims.

The Palestinians in Gaza have done nothing during the last three years to stop Hamas from launching rockets into Israel. At any time the people could have said, ?Enough! We do not support terror.? Instead of allowing rocket crews to fire Qassams from their houses, yards, or neighborhoods, the people could have said, ?Stop! I will not allow you to make us a target. I will now allow you to use my family as a shield.?

For the last three years, the Palestinians of Gaza have said, in effect, ?We don't mind if Israelis are murdered by Hamas rockets, but the world should support us.?

During World War II, the German people were not spared suffering from the Allied invasion because they were noncombatants or because some could claim they were not Nazis and did not support Hitler. All the German people were held to account for their failure to stop their leaders from carrying out their aggression and genocidal policies.

The Palestinians now are also being held to account. What is different, however, is that unlike the Allies in World War II, Israel is doing everything possible to avoid hurting Palestinian noncombatants despite their culpability. Even now the Palestinians have the power to stop the war by demanding that Hamas cease firing rockets. Alas, they refuse to take the one step within their power to ease their suffering.

[SYRIANKID]

Funny how muslims are posting interviews with rabbis and other Jews about how their against the war, but you interview a Hamas member than it must be fabricated and false.

Those interviews are videos, you can see for yourself what people said.

There's an obvious difference between that and faked interviews by an army whose propaganda has already been exposed.

Think about it.

[Dave22reborn]

Here's why I'm not mad:

If you had the chance to kill 500 of your enemies (really in this case it's just males, not even confirmed to be fighters) but you also had to bear upon your conscience the death of 500 women and children. Would you do it? Would you personally kill 500 innocents for 500 enemies?

I personally would not do it, which is why I cannot possibly be mad at a group of people that have made a decision to damn themselves. I do not envy a man who has killed a single innocent person.

Who say's their children??? After a certain age, you guy no longer consider them children, remember??

[Dave22reborn]

Those interviews are videos, you can see for yourself what people said.

There's an obvious difference between that and faked interviews by an army who propaganda has already been exposed.

Think about it.

You're telling me that Muslims never use propaganda??

[SYRIANKID]

What is different, however, is that unlike the Allies in World War II, Israel is doing everything possible to avoid hurting Palestinian noncombatants despite their culpability.

We'll let the U.N. and the war crimes tribunal determine that.

[Footballguru]

We'll let the U.N. and the war crimes tribunal determine that.

I forgot to mention, that Hamas wishes they kill thousands and millions of jews. What else would they desire when they launch rockets randomly into Israeli towns?

Hamas are the real panzies here.

[Dave22reborn]

We'll let the U.N. and the war crimes tribunal determine that.

Wasn't the UN the ones who put ****lia or the Sudan on the human rights commitee??

[SYRIANKID]

Wasn't the UN the ones who put ****lia or the Sudan on the human rights commitee??

The U.N. unfortunately makes a lot of mistakes in who it allows on its committee. But what other international organization exists to provide international trials?

[Footballguru]

The U.N. unfortunately makes a lot of mistakes in who it allows on its committee. But what other international organization exists to provide international trials?

LOL @ UN.

Bunch of anti semites. At least they have no power.

[Dave22reborn]

The U.N. unfortunately makes a lot of mistakes in who it allows on its committee. But what other international organization exists to provide international trials?

And the trials never go anywhere. Hell, even though Saddam's trial was a joke, it would be an even bigger joke if the UN tried him, he would have died a natural death like Milosevic.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

That's according to the IDF, which brought us such disproven propaganda classics as:

Destroying civilian infrastracture with false claims of weapons:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7809371.stm

That's not disproven, that's according to some random Palestinian.

Bombing a school with children with false claims that there were fighters near by:

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/11/i...a-malfunction/

That was confirmed, by several Palestinian witnesses who reported it to 2 different sources:


Palestinian Witnesses: Hamas fired from school area
In a statement, the Israeli army said an initial investigation found that "mortar shells were fired from within the school at IDF soldiers. The force responded with mortars at the source of fire. The Hamas cynically uses civilians as human shields."

The army said two Hamas militants ? Imad Abu Askar and Hasan Abu Askar ? were among the dead.

Two neighborhood residents confirmed the Israeli account, saying a group of militants fired mortars from a street near the school, then fled into a crowd of people in the streets

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...PRq3gD95HS69G0


Another witness confirms:

A young witness from Jabaliya, Ibrahim Amen, 16, said that he had seen one of the militants, whom he identified as Abu Khaled Abu Asker, in the area of the school right before the attack.

Ibrahim said he saw the militant after he answered calls for volunteers to pile sand around the camp "to help protect the resistance fighters." Ibrahim went to pile sand near the school with his brother, Iyad, 20, who was then injured by the Israeli mortar fire.
http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=ht...es2Q20PpOF-Oem

Breaking the ceasefire, not lifting the border blockade, then lying and claiming Hamas broke the ceasefire:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...41&postcount=1

Which was preceeded by non-stop rocket attacks in the Gaza strip, which Hamas was supposed to eliminate (their failure to stop it is a violation of the ceasefire).

Blocking international and Red Cross aid to civilians:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...21&postcount=1

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...31&postcount=1

So that they won't get blown up and people like you will complain again.

Attacking the UN compound and hospital

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news_dig...88891000&ty=nd

So how reliable is this interview as reported by the IDF? Not very.

1) Irrelavant since its not a disproven IDF claim.

2) Isn't disproven that Hamas fired from the hospital.

Thanks for playing.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

I'd prefer that Israel stop antagonizing Hamas, and start helping the Palestinian people. Actually what I'd love to see is the Israeli people call BS on their government and have their own outreach to the Palestinians. I don't think the Israeli is even 1/4 as bloodthirsty as you are..

So in other words, you do prefer Israel keeps getting bombarded by rockets. Thanks for confirming.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

"33 percent of Sderot kids suffer post-traumatic stress "

I wonder how many Palestinian kids are suffering from "post-traumatic stress"..eventhough thats the least of their worries when missing limbs, no parents, siblings, shelter, food, or medicine are available. Btw, yes Renegade...these ****ty rockets:

http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/to...e-of-the-story

I have no doubt PAlestinians are suffering. Damn Hamas for using them as human shields.

[SYRIANKID]

Thanks for playing.

Like I said, both the U.N. and Red Cross are taking Israel to court. They witnessed and were affected by the atrocities first hand. On the plus side you have the testimonies of the IDF soldiers.

So we'll see what those so-called anti-semites (UN and Red Cross) decide.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

Like I said, both the U.N. and Red Cross are taking Israel to court. They witnessed and were affected by the atrocities first hand. On the plus side you have the testimonies of the IDF soldiers.

So we'll see what those so-called anti-semites (UN and Red Cross) decide.

Don't forget the testimony of Palestinian witnesses.

Its a good thing they're taking Israel to court. The verdict might actually stop the propaganda.

[1_COR_16.13_old]

. . .

A night ago I saw a Muslim man praying, towards Mecca, in his front yard. My friends pointed and laughed at him. I ripped them apart verbally, condemning their taunts. Their response was "Bro, he is Muslim."

I was humiliated to be around such filth.
This is a true story. My point is, I hope the world sees what I see. The target, the enemy is not Islam, by no means. For every Palestinian innocent citizen that dies, nothing can be ignored. One must understand collateral damage though. I hope, no I pray, that if any Israeli's spill the blood of an innocent, on purpose, than may God see fit to punish them also.

The real target is an extremist group of militia that, if they had their way, would not only remove all Jews from the land, but would do so by spilling the blood of everyone from the oldest man to the youngest girl, in victory.

. . .

[1devil]

Hey I think I saw that guy at whole foods

Don't panic it's organic

[hittman]

Being stupid enough to piss on hornets is unfair to the one doing the pissing? why? because he dont have a stinger like the hornets, or because he does not have the brains God gave most dogs.. any moron, with the exception of Hamas, generlly knows better than to start a fight with someone who can beat your ass before lunch and not even work up a sweat.
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Tell that to the Viet Cong?

You're dumb and don't realise that they don't fight because they think they'll win, they fight (and are willing to die) for what they believe in. Wouldn't you? Or would you lie down?

[Dave22reborn]

Tell that to the Viet Cong?

You're dumb and don't realise that they don't fight because they think they'll win, they fight (and are willing to die) for what they believe in. Wouldn't you? Or would you lie down?

Viet Cong targeted military targets. Some of you need to stop comparing your heroes to other groups. Its sad really.

[Nagalfar]

Tell that to the Viet Cong?

You're dumb and don't realise that they don't fight because they think they'll win, they fight (and are willing to die) for what they believe in. Wouldn't you? Or would you lie down?

LOL.. your going to teach me about VC?? thats rich..

Thank you for the education on Southeast Asia, I never knew much about it.. it annoys me to no end to equate a worthy opponent who was more than willing to fight like Uncle Charlie to the gutless, hide behind kids, no talent assmonkeys known as Hamas...

The VC FOUGHT, and damn hard... stupid analogy.

/fail, try again.

[Andalite]

Israel has balls. It's time it stops showing the other cheek. I think Israel's actions are admirable. I don't understand why Americans have their panties up in a bunch about this: after 9/11 didn't y'all turn up in Afghanistan pronto? So it's ok if y'all bring in the big boys when y'all get bitten but Israel is expected to turn the other cheek repeatedly??

[paolo59]

Israel has balls. It's time it stops showing the other cheek. I think Israel's actions are admirable. I don't understand why Americans have their panties up in a bunch about this: after 9/11 didn't y'all turn up in Afghanistan pronto? So it's ok if y'all bring in the big boys when y'all get bitten but Israel is expected to turn the other cheek repeatedly??

Spot on! Israel will do whatever it has to do to protect itself from internationally subsidized terrorist organizations. Hamas is just that. That innocent Palestinians are suffering is a shame, but just who is to blame for their suffering? When your government is a rabid dog, foaming at the mouth, and lobbing shells and rocket at close proximity to every UN installation, hospital, orphanage, children's home, school, mosque, daycare, what do you expect? Look for a balloon over a Palestinian child's birthday party on the patio behind the house and you'll find a Hamas henchmen with a rocket launcher on his knees, snuggling up to his beloved countryman, an 8 year old at that! Another one will have a video camera to document Israel's barbarity.

[Dr CROHN]

by the way, those 459 ****ty rockets... do you think they have targets on them? no... they fire them randomly, which is why they haven't hit **** all.

Holy ****. Israel can't fight back because there were **** all casualties from the 459 firecrackers thrown at them?? You've got to be kidding me....

[Dr CROHN]

"33 percent of Sderot kids suffer post-traumatic stress "

I wonder how many Palestinian kids are suffering from "post-traumatic stress"..eventhough thats the least of their worries when missing limbs, no parents, siblings, shelter, food, or medicine are available. Btw, yes Renegade...these ****ty rockets:

http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/to...e-of-the-story

Awesome website. Especially the bit about, "We can fire all the rockets we want - but you cannot retaliate unless one of our Qassim rockets kills one of your citizens - then it must be a one for one battle".

[Dr CROHN]

Tell that to the Viet Cong?

You're dumb and don't realise that they don't fight because they think they'll win, they fight (and are willing to die) for what they believe in. Wouldn't you? Or would you lie down?

The belief they have the right to fire rockets into Israel on a daily basis and go unpunished as a reward for their stupidity?!

[Geno]

And the good fight continues.

If half of the 1.3 million Gazans have to die to purge Hamas then that would be acceptable. Very tragic and very sad but acceptable.

Dresden lost more than half of it's population when we bombed it nearly out of existence and they were almost entirely women, children and old men. That campaign was tragic and very sad as well but it also worked very well.

[Lex Luthor]

It is tragic that many Palestinians who are not directly involved in terrorism are suffering as a result of the actions of their leaders. While no one wants to see any noncombatants harmed, it is important to acknowledge that all Palestinians in Gaza bear some responsibility for their current predicament. After all, they voted to empower Hamas in an election in which they knew the organization's platform called for the destruction of Israel and the use of terrorism to achieve its aims.

You do realize this is the EXACT same logic that "terrorists" use right...?!

[FutureFoe]

Did the Palestinians not vote for Hamas rule over Fatah rule?

[ZexCui]

Did the Palestinians not vote for Hamas rule over Fatah rule?

the children, which compromise atleast 300-400 of the deaths so far didn't.

[Fanatik]

the children, which compromise atleast 300-400 of the deaths so far didn't.

That is very unfortunate but, that what happens when terrorists hide behind civilians.