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01-17-2009, 12:04 PM #4My transformation log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115239961
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03-28-2009, 12:42 PM #6
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What you're talking about is Keto Acidosis, which, as you stated, is not something we want. It is something that happens to some diabetics.
Ketosis is NOT Keto-acidosis.
This is a common misconception, and the reason that so many people think that ketogenic diets are dangerous. If we were all walking around in keto acidosis, yeah that would be bad... but ketosis is different.Alexander Hall
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04-19-2009, 08:34 AM #8
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How is this for unconventional?
What Im basically doing - which Im not sure is going to work - is lifting 5 days (some consecutively, some not) in an 8 day cycle with 3 days of cardio interspersed. Here is the kicker: Im eating a 40/30/30 macronutrient profile on lifting days with a 200-300 calorie surplus and a 500-700 calorie deficit with no carbs on cardio days. Im basically trying to grow one day and cut the next rather than go through long bulk and cut cycles.
What I would really like to know is if 1 day of keto (no carb) dieting & cardio between 2 days of lifting and caloric surplus @ 40/30/30 is even going to work. Is the goal of keto to hit the so-called metabolic switch and if so, will the body even switch in a single day of keto or will I just end up putting on fat on the isolated keto days by eating bacon, whole eggs, etc., even in the absence of carbs?
Another thing Im concerned aboutis that by going into a caloric deficit a day after heavy lifting, I will be negating the repair process. My legs are typically sore for 4 or 5 days after training them. Am I doing them a disservice by cutting carbs to almost nothing (save for 12-16 oz green vegetables daily), cutting calories (-500 from maintainence) and protein (from 1.5g per lb of bw to 1g per lb of bw) on the no carb, keto-diet days? I did some reading on keto diets and am under the impression that protein demands aren't as high during such phases and that catabolization isn't as much of a concern either, since or especially if you're not doing anaerobic activity. However, there is the 'overlap', for lack of a better word.. the overlap from days of intense anaerobic activity from the days of 40/30/30 caloric surplus.
Below is the program. I started the Monday before last and am not sure if I appear any softer yet. I'll take ab pics sometime soon to gauge my progress. I'm about the same weight (as anticipated) when I started but I suspect my body might be trading fat for muscle. I do appear a bit softer or at least not as pumped. Perhaps my muscles just aren't overly saturated with water and other (macro?)nutrients they would be otherwise. I feel compelled to stick with it for another couple weeks until I know for sure my body composition is taking a turn for the worst.
Here is the program as follows. I'd like to know what people think. Is it an approach that is not in keeping with documented nutritional research?
Lift weights (chest), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile.
Lift weights (shoulders, tris), caloric surplus of 200 @roughly 40/30/30 mac profile.
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, 1 g protein per lb of bw)
Lift (Legs), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, 1 g of protein per lb of bw
Lift (Back), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile
Lift (Biceps, Calves), caloric surplus of 200 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, l g of protein per lb of bw
Add up the surplus total and deficit total and its damn close to a wash, since I am trying to stay in the 180-190 range from now on (I just want to get progressively leaner). The goal is to be anabolic for a day or two, then ketogenic for a day or 2. Does it make any sense? Does anybody have any projections about what is going to happen if I stay on this program for the next 10 weeks or so? Thanks in advance.
06-01-2009, 10:50 PM #9
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08-07-2009, 07:29 AM #10
I'm actually trialling something very similar, but also only having carbs pre/post weights. Plus i do full body 3 times per week (weights evening, small ss cardio morning fasted except double protein scoop), 4 days dedicated HIIT cardio. I have had great success with carb cycling, now doing calorie cycling as well but as i say keeping carbs around weights only. Also overeating in 6 hour period post weights.
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09-17-2010, 12:18 PM #17Don't ever let somebody tell you that you can't do something. If you want something, go and get it.
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Unconventional to the extreme
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05-11-2011, 10:15 AM #21
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05-23-2011, 08:03 PM #22
That aside, my personal opinion, is that I don't go for the whole 'bulk' and 'cut' approach. I don't see the need to put on 20kg of muscle + fat to then cut 10-15kg of fat. As long as you're getting your Protein, your body is still going to repair your muscle fibers even if you're in a calorie deficit. I've been under calories for over a year (granted with a controlled re-feed once a week ands this is usually only at maintenance or say 100-200 calories over) training 6-7 times a week. and have seen great results. Strength has greatly increased and bf% has gone down a lot. The mist interesting thing is actual body weight went down a lot to start then stabilised, and oscilates now within a 2-3kg interval, but within a continual downwardn trend. However, my main aim is to get my bf% lower, so to this end, it has been effective, if you're already at your bf goal then I wouldn't reccomend this approach.The joyful will stoop with sorrow, and when you
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