Unconventional Dietary Approaches

[alan aragon]

Intermittent Fasting Variants:

Martin Berkhan's Approach

Warrior Diet Discussion

[wave_length]

Good thread, maybe my diet fits the description:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=33

[Gr3g_Lycan]

Paleolithic Diet
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles...Med%202003.pdf (pdf)

Very Low Calorie Diet
http://www.apinchofhealth.com/resour...-Research.html

[fitopia]

Ketogenic Diets:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=61

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...ts-part-4.html

[jvaughan08]

Originally Posted by fitopia

Ketogenic Diets:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=61

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...ts-part-4.html

I cant approve of ketogenic diets, i mean i might be missing something, but this type of diet seems of healthy. when your body is in a state of ketosis the ph in your blood is unbalanced, your blood is literally acidic, how can that be healthy? ya you lose weight and but if your unhealthy or dead it does not matter. I know people have used it to great success, and maybe i have not properly done my research but it seems like the benefits do not outweigh the potential health concerns associated with this diet.

[FAHall]

Originally Posted by jvaughan08

I cant approve of ketogenic diets, i mean i might be missing something, but this type of diet seems of healthy. when your body is in a state of ketosis the ph in your blood is unbalanced, your blood is literally acidic, how can that be healthy? ya you lose weight and but if your unhealthy or dead it does not matter. I know people have used it to great success, and maybe i have not properly done my research but it seems like the benefits do not outweigh the potential health concerns associated with this diet.

You should check your facts again.

What you're talking about is Keto Acidosis, which, as you stated, is not something we want. It is something that happens to some diabetics.

Ketosis is NOT Keto-acidosis.


This is a common misconception, and the reason that so many people think that ketogenic diets are dangerous. If we were all walking around in keto acidosis, yeah that would be bad... but ketosis is different.

[Dickbiggenstein]

Sweet!

[NastyNateTheGr8]

How is this for unconventional?



What Im basically doing - which Im not sure is going to work - is lifting 5 days (some consecutively, some not) in an 8 day cycle with 3 days of cardio interspersed. Here is the kicker: Im eating a 40/30/30 macronutrient profile on lifting days with a 200-300 calorie surplus and a 500-700 calorie deficit with no carbs on cardio days. Im basically trying to grow one day and cut the next rather than go through long bulk and cut cycles.

What I would really like to know is if 1 day of keto (no carb) dieting & cardio between 2 days of lifting and caloric surplus @ 40/30/30 is even going to work. Is the goal of keto to hit the so-called metabolic switch and if so, will the body even switch in a single day of keto or will I just end up putting on fat on the isolated keto days by eating bacon, whole eggs, etc., even in the absence of carbs?

Another thing Im concerned aboutis that by going into a caloric deficit a day after heavy lifting, I will be negating the repair process. My legs are typically sore for 4 or 5 days after training them. Am I doing them a disservice by cutting carbs to almost nothing (save for 12-16 oz green vegetables daily), cutting calories (-500 from maintainence) and protein (from 1.5g per lb of bw to 1g per lb of bw) on the no carb, keto-diet days? I did some reading on keto diets and am under the impression that protein demands aren't as high during such phases and that catabolization isn't as much of a concern either, since or especially if you're not doing anaerobic activity. However, there is the 'overlap', for lack of a better word.. the overlap from days of intense anaerobic activity from the days of 40/30/30 caloric surplus.

Below is the program. I started the Monday before last and am not sure if I appear any softer yet. I'll take ab pics sometime soon to gauge my progress. I'm about the same weight (as anticipated) when I started but I suspect my body might be trading fat for muscle. I do appear a bit softer or at least not as pumped. Perhaps my muscles just aren't overly saturated with water and other (macro?)nutrients they would be otherwise. I feel compelled to stick with it for another couple weeks until I know for sure my body composition is taking a turn for the worst.

Here is the program as follows. I'd like to know what people think. Is it an approach that is not in keeping with documented nutritional research?

Monday:
Lift weights (chest), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile.

Tuesday:
Lift weights (shoulders, tris), caloric surplus of 200 @roughly 40/30/30 mac profile.

Wednesday:
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, 1 g protein per lb of bw)

Thursday:
Lift (Legs), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile

Friday:
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, 1 g of protein per lb of bw

Saturday:
Lift (Back), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile

Sunday:
Lift (Biceps, Calves), caloric surplus of 200 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile

Monday:
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, l g of protein per lb of bw

Tuesday:
Restart Cycle

Add up the surplus total and deficit total and its damn close to a wash, since I am trying to stay in the 180-190 range from now on (I just want to get progressively leaner). The goal is to be anabolic for a day or two, then ketogenic for a day or 2. Does it make any sense? Does anybody have any projections about what is going to happen if I stay on this program for the next 10 weeks or so? Thanks in advance.

[gse123]

Originally Posted by NastyNateTheGr8

How is this for unconventional?



What Im basically doing - which Im not sure is going to work - is lifting 5 days (some consecutively, some not) in an 8 day cycle with 3 days of cardio interspersed. Here is the kicker: Im eating a 40/30/30 macronutrient profile on lifting days with a 200-300 calorie surplus and a 500-700 calorie deficit with no carbs on cardio days. Im basically trying to grow one day and cut the next rather than go through long bulk and cut cycles.

What I would really like to know is if 1 day of keto (no carb) dieting & cardio between 2 days of lifting and caloric surplus @ 40/30/30 is even going to work. Is the goal of keto to hit the so-called metabolic switch and if so, will the body even switch in a single day of keto or will I just end up putting on fat on the isolated keto days by eating bacon, whole eggs, etc., even in the absence of carbs?

Another thing Im concerned aboutis that by going into a caloric deficit a day after heavy lifting, I will be negating the repair process. My legs are typically sore for 4 or 5 days after training them. Am I doing them a disservice by cutting carbs to almost nothing (save for 12-16 oz green vegetables daily), cutting calories (-500 from maintainence) and protein (from 1.5g per lb of bw to 1g per lb of bw) on the no carb, keto-diet days? I did some reading on keto diets and am under the impression that protein demands aren't as high during such phases and that catabolization isn't as much of a concern either, since or especially if you're not doing anaerobic activity. However, there is the 'overlap', for lack of a better word.. the overlap from days of intense anaerobic activity from the days of 40/30/30 caloric surplus.

Below is the program. I started the Monday before last and am not sure if I appear any softer yet. I'll take ab pics sometime soon to gauge my progress. I'm about the same weight (as anticipated) when I started but I suspect my body might be trading fat for muscle. I do appear a bit softer or at least not as pumped. Perhaps my muscles just aren't overly saturated with water and other (macro?)nutrients they would be otherwise. I feel compelled to stick with it for another couple weeks until I know for sure my body composition is taking a turn for the worst.

Here is the program as follows. I'd like to know what people think. Is it an approach that is not in keeping with documented nutritional research?

Monday:
Lift weights (chest), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile.

Tuesday:
Lift weights (shoulders, tris), caloric surplus of 200 @roughly 40/30/30 mac profile.

Wednesday:
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, 1 g protein per lb of bw)

Thursday:
Lift (Legs), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile

Friday:
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, 1 g of protein per lb of bw

Saturday:
Lift (Back), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile

Sunday:
Lift (Biceps, Calves), caloric surplus of 200 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile

Monday:
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, l g of protein per lb of bw

Tuesday:
Restart Cycle

Add up the surplus total and deficit total and its damn close to a wash, since I am trying to stay in the 180-190 range from now on (I just want to get progressively leaner). The goal is to be anabolic for a day or two, then ketogenic for a day or 2. Does it make any sense? Does anybody have any projections about what is going to happen if I stay on this program for the next 10 weeks or so? Thanks in advance.

I'm just starting a similar method, of surplus cals on training days, and low carb, defecit on non training days. In theory, you will re-comp but proress will be very slow compared to cutting then bulking, but I personally am in no rush now and am very interested to see if it works.

[lilkingmayn]

Ok so i'm a boxer and I have my own meal plan but for some reason I feel theres something wrong, before reading please take into consideration i'm not trying to gain weight I just want a proper meal plan to help me be cut. My meal plan is.... 9 a.m Oatmeal for breakfast, 11 a.m protein shake for snack, 1 a.m pasta for lunch, 3 a.m protein bar 5 p.m chicken with brown rice. Then I train from 6:30 to 8:30p.m and when I get home i have another protein shake and that's it. If you find anything wrong with my meal plan please let me know, oh and by the way is there any substitution for a protein bar

[Louie55]

well how about some simple sugars for the morning with your oatmeal. along with some protein. You can also eat every 3 hours instead of every 2.

[Louie55]

oh and i forgot to mention. Eat 6 meals a day and eat atleast 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight per day. This will have maintain a healthy nitrogen balance in your body.

[murphtom]

Originally Posted by NastyNateTheGr8

How is this for unconventional?



What Im basically doing - which Im not sure is going to work - is lifting 5 days (some consecutively, some not) in an 8 day cycle with 3 days of cardio interspersed. Here is the kicker: Im eating a 40/30/30 macronutrient profile on lifting days with a 200-300 calorie surplus and a 500-700 calorie deficit with no carbs on cardio days. Im basically trying to grow one day and cut the next rather than go through long bulk and cut cycles.

What I would really like to know is if 1 day of keto (no carb) dieting & cardio between 2 days of lifting and caloric surplus @ 40/30/30 is even going to work. Is the goal of keto to hit the so-called metabolic switch and if so, will the body even switch in a single day of keto or will I just end up putting on fat on the isolated keto days by eating bacon, whole eggs, etc., even in the absence of carbs?

Another thing Im concerned aboutis that by going into a caloric deficit a day after heavy lifting, I will be negating the repair process. My legs are typically sore for 4 or 5 days after training them. Am I doing them a disservice by cutting carbs to almost nothing (save for 12-16 oz green vegetables daily), cutting calories (-500 from maintainence) and protein (from 1.5g per lb of bw to 1g per lb of bw) on the no carb, keto-diet days? I did some reading on keto diets and am under the impression that protein demands aren't as high during such phases and that catabolization isn't as much of a concern either, since or especially if you're not doing anaerobic activity. However, there is the 'overlap', for lack of a better word.. the overlap from days of intense anaerobic activity from the days of 40/30/30 caloric surplus.

Below is the program. I started the Monday before last and am not sure if I appear any softer yet. I'll take ab pics sometime soon to gauge my progress. I'm about the same weight (as anticipated) when I started but I suspect my body might be trading fat for muscle. I do appear a bit softer or at least not as pumped. Perhaps my muscles just aren't overly saturated with water and other (macro?)nutrients they would be otherwise. I feel compelled to stick with it for another couple weeks until I know for sure my body composition is taking a turn for the worst.

Here is the program as follows. I'd like to know what people think. Is it an approach that is not in keeping with documented nutritional research?

Monday:
Lift weights (chest), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile.

Tuesday:
Lift weights (shoulders, tris), caloric surplus of 200 @roughly 40/30/30 mac profile.

Wednesday:
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, 1 g protein per lb of bw)

Thursday:
Lift (Legs), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile

Friday:
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, 1 g of protein per lb of bw

Saturday:
Lift (Back), caloric surplus of 300 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile

Sunday:
Lift (Biceps, Calves), caloric surplus of 200 @ roughly 40/30/30 mac profile

Monday:
Cardio, caloric deficit of 500 with oft suggested keto profile of -60g carbs, l g of protein per lb of bw

Tuesday:
Restart Cycle

Add up the surplus total and deficit total and its damn close to a wash, since I am trying to stay in the 180-190 range from now on (I just want to get progressively leaner). The goal is to be anabolic for a day or two, then ketogenic for a day or 2. Does it make any sense? Does anybody have any projections about what is going to happen if I stay on this program for the next 10 weeks or so? Thanks in advance.

I'm actually trialling something very similar, but also only having carbs pre/post weights. Plus i do full body 3 times per week (weights evening, small ss cardio morning fasted except double protein scoop), 4 days dedicated HIIT cardio. I have had great success with carb cycling, now doing calorie cycling as well but as i say keeping carbs around weights only. Also overeating in 6 hour period post weights.

[murthy360]

Originally Posted by FAHall

You should check your facts again.

What you're talking about is Keto Acidosis, which, as you stated, is not something we want. It is something that happens to some diabetics.

Ketosis is NOT Keto-acidosis.


This is a common misconception, and the reason that so many people think that ketogenic diets are dangerous. If we were all walking around in keto acidosis, yeah that would be bad... but ketosis is different.

thnkas man...........

[TDE]

good thread...

[brodienuchies]

Any results on this yet?