As long as an illegal alien has not commited a crime, they deserve citizenship

[NorthMass]

They came here for a better life, it is not their fault our immigration process takes years to come here legally.

[TheJuicedchase]

Being an illegal alien isn't a crime?

If you're going to fight for this cause how about you fight for all the non-violent drug offenders in prison? At least they are US citizens.

[NorthMass]

Being an illegal alien is a crime?

If you're going to fight for this cause how about you fight for all the non-violent drug offenders in prison? At least they are US citizens.

I think all the non-violent drug offenders should be relased, as I support legalization of all drugs. I feel the same about illegal aliens who have done no harm to others, they came here illegaly because it is nearly impossible to come here legally and we subsidize illegal immigration with welfare.

[jr gong]

They came here for a better life, it is not their fault our immigration process takes years to come here legally.

i agree

this nation is made of immigrants, the founding fathers stole this land from the native americans for a better life yet it is now illegal for other people to do the same. funny how that works, huh?

[TheJuicedchase]

and we subsidize illegal immigration with welfare.

Why not stop that.

Plenty of people immigrate here legally, so don't pull that crap.


Also, I can't blame them for immigrating here illegally, but for them to expect being acknowledged legally? Give me a break. I smoke pot, do I expect a police officer to spot me a light on a joint? **** no. And that's where we stand.

[Skettch]

i agree

this nation is made of immigrants, the founding fathers stole this land from the native americans for a better life yet it is now illegal for other people to do the same. funny how that works, huh?

Killed off, they killed off the natives - its not stole, its conquest.

We need to follow Thailand's example,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7830710.stm

[NorthMass]

i agree

this nation is made of immigrants, the founding fathers stole this land from the native americans for a better life yet it is now illegal for other people to do the same. funny how that works, huh?

I know what you are trying to say, but the founding fathers like George Washington actually had friendly relations with the Native Americans.

[nutsy54]

Their first act, upon illegally entering this country, was a crime.

[NorthMass]

Why not stop that.

I do think welfare should be cut down a lot. But I don't blame illegal aliens who are poor as dirt for taking the welfare, I blame politicans for giving the welfare to them.

Plenty of people immigrate here legally, so don't pull that crap.

It can take more than five years to come here legally, and when you are dirt poor living in terrible conditions people are not going to wait five years when they can come in now illegaly.

[jr gong]

Killed off, they killed off the natives - its not stole, its conquest.

We need to follow Thailand's example,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7830710.stm

and you don't see a problem with this, right?

Their first act, upon illegally entering this country, was a crime.

how did your ancestors get here?

[NorthMass]

Their first act, upon illegally entering this country, was a crime.

True, but the crime they committed is an unjust one due to how long it takes to come here legally.

[Enso]

Their first act, upon illegally entering this country, was a crime.

This. That is why they are called an 'illegal' alien.

We may be a nation of immigrants, but we are to a point now where we can't let just anyone in.

[StartTheMachine]

Their first act, upon illegally entering this country, was a crime.

Serious? We're basically discussing the decriminalization of that first act, so that's an entirely moot point.

[Skunk]

As long as an illegal alien has not commited a crime, they deserve citizenship

[Morbid_Mind]

They came here for a better life, it is not their fault our immigration process takes years to come here legally.

There is a reason for that. We can't just take everyone who wants to come here. This country is already getting overcrowded and you want to add millions more?

[StartTheMachine]

There is a reason for that. We can't just take everyone who wants to come here. This country is already getting overcrowded and you want to add millions more?

Montana seems to have some extra space.

[NorthMass]

There is a reason for that. We can't just take everyone who wants to come here. This country is already getting overcrowded and you want to add millions more?

There is plenty of open space all over the midwest, the Rockies, Alaska, and some parts of the southeast.

[Skettch]

and you don't see a problem with this, right?

No, I don't.

Thousands of wars have been waged over the course of human history, lands conquerd and people killed. The conquerers set the rules, not the conquered.

Now if you want to go about supporting humaniterian aid to these areas you have my backing all the way.

[StartTheMachine]

There is plenty of open space all over the midwest, the Rockies, Alaska, and some parts of the southeast.

Nah, son. The Midwest is much fuller than other areas.

[StartTheMachine]

No, I don't.

Thousands of wars have been waged over the course of human history, lands conquerd and people killed. The conquerers set the rules, not the conquered.

Now if you want to go about supporting humaniterian aid to these areas you have my backing all the way.

You did no conquering. You just got lucky with the gene pool.

[surgicalcric]

True, but the crime they committed is an unjust one due to how long it takes to come here legally.

So immigration law is dependent on time and the waiting list...

I wonder if I can convince the Dept of Motor vehicles since the wait there is astronomical...

Seriously though, millions upon millions have waited in line to come here legally... If they want to be in the US a lil wait isnt gonna kill them.

[Skettch]

You did no conquering. You just got lucky with the gene pool.

Lucky or not only a fool takes a gun to his head and pulls the trigger

[StartTheMachine]

So immigration law is dependent on time and the waiting list...

I wonder if I can convince the Dept of Motor vehicles since the wait there is astronomical...

Seriously though, millions upon millions have waited in line to come here legally... If they want to be in the US a lil wait isnt gonna kill them.

It's not nearly as simple as taking a number at the DMV.

[StartTheMachine]

Lucky or not only a fool takes a gun to his head and pulls the trigger

Not a fan of a little healthy competition?

[NorthMass]

So immigration law is dependent on time and the waiting list...

I wonder if I can convince the Dept of Motor vehicles since the wait there is astronomical...

Seriously though, millions upon millions have waited in line to come here legally... If they want to be in the US a lil wait isnt gonna kill them.

Many of the people waiting to come here legally are living on just thousands of dollars a year, are malnurished, and are prone to diseases through the water supply and other dangerous bacteria in the food/water supply. Waiting "a little longer" could mean death to these people.

Anyone who has not committed a violent crime should be able to move to the United States as a legal alien, with no waiting time unless the population reaches 330 million within the next 5 years.

[Skettch]

Not a fan of a little healthy competition?

Restore full private property rights and I would not care near as much .

[DCarruso]

If it is America's responsibility to take care of everyone in the world, then we should be ruling the world then.

If somehow, we are respnsible for evey poor and unfortunate person in the world, then we should have the right to rule the whole world too.

Only then, it becomes our responsibilities to see that everyone is provided for.

A New World Order, with America being the administrator and ultimate authority.

[Skettch]

until the population reaches 330 million.

lolwut, were almost there - give it 5-10 years and we will be.

[StartTheMachine]

Restore full private property rights and I would not care near as much .

Where was this in last night's pages-long discussion? Took freakin' two seconds here.

[Anti_Illuminati]

They came here for a better life, it is not their fault our immigration process takes years to come here legally.

A better life at who's expense? Were the Pilgrims that came over here on the Mayflower given a handout by a fully industrialized society, or did they have to bust their ass to begin to build this country from nothing? What's wrong with improving your own nation? Oh that's right, they force a lot of the illegals to come here to prevent internal revolution in Mexico, and the other half is to wage war on the middle class--facilitate increased crime, and chaos. Creating more pawns on their grand chessboard to deal with the enemy pawns on the other side, while those in control never have to move so much as a knight, rook, or bishop.