do any muslims here support israel?

de_barathrum · 01-13-2009, 05:40 AM

of all the muslims i know, i dont know of any who support israel. however, i know christians and jews who support palestine over israel, so im wondering why is it that there seem to be so few muslims who support israel over palestine. id like to here from the muslims on this board as well.

and i will restart/delete this thread of it gets derailed due to stupid comments.

Dr CROHN · 01-13-2009, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by de_barathrum

of all the muslims i know, i dont know of any who support israel. however, i know christians and jews who support palestine over israel, so im wondering why is it that there seem to be so few muslims who support israel over palestine. id like to here from the muslims on this board as well.

and i will restart/delete this thread of it gets derailed due to stupid comments.

Delete and repost, huh? Afraid of being made to look stupid by someone who has "My Name Is Joe Kick Ass" under his name? Smooth

de_barathrum · 01-13-2009, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr CROHN

Delete and repost, huh? Afraid of being made to look stupid by someone who has "My Name Is Joe Kick Ass" under his name? Smooth

i really dont care to be honest. id rather just discuss the topic at hand than watch you write about your feelings on grammar.

and im not gonna respond to any more of your posts unless they are about the topic, so dont bother trying to argue.

LaBamba · 01-13-2009, 05:53 AM

RandomPaliLover :No, Israel = fascist nazi zionist jews and they are making a genocide against the palestinian people who lived for thousands of years in palestine as an independent country, everything that the palestinians do in gaza is because of izraeli blockade and aggression .

Some guy : But why did the so called 'palestinians' [more like arab immigrants from the area] murder jews prior to the establishment of Israel ? Why do they celebrate the death of an Israeli[or any of Israel's] supporters and educate their children
to hate Israel and wish to become martyrs ? Why do they target only civilians ? Why is it that after every attempt for having a pact a new group comes and says "you didn't sign it with us so fuk it" and continues the aggression and blood circle? Why don't the palestinians invest in growth and instead buy useless weapons ? Why do the Israeli Arabs have such higher living standards compared to any other arabs in the nearby area ? Why does everybody hate Israel and say it commits such horrible war crimes there are far bigger and more horrifying things happening on right now but they don't get people half as mad? How come that Israel is conducting a genocide yet the population in Gaza is growing and arabs in Israel have full rights?....Etc etc so much more that could be asked

RandomPaliLover : HALP HALP I BE OPRASSED !!!!111

1_COR_16.13_old · 01-13-2009, 06:03 AM

I wondered what happened to the interesting posts by Dr CROHN and myself. Lol

de_barathrum · 01-13-2009, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 1_COR_16.13

I wondered what happened to the interesting posts by Dr CROHN and myself. Lol

go ahead and post them again if you want.

i think that this is a fairly important topic and i would like to get a good convo goin on about this.

BJplayer · 01-13-2009, 06:05 AM

What repercussions would a Muslim suffer if he openly supported Israel? Would he be subject to execution?

de_barathrum · 01-13-2009, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BJplayer

What repercussions would a Muslim suffer if he openly supported Israel? Would he be subject to execution?

i imagine it probably wouldnt go over too well, but what about in western countries like the US? i never really hear of any muslims that support israel over here.

PakZameen · 01-13-2009, 06:21 AM

*quietly takes a seat to watch these self-proclaimed experts discuss Islam*

MWarsame · 01-13-2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BJplayer

What repercussions would a Muslim suffer if he openly supported Israel? Would he be subject to execution?

Nice try BJPlayer.

Nearly all major Muslim countries have suffered direct or indirect conflict with the west but these conflicts come and go. Israel however have been in conflict (extermination type of conflict) with the Palestinians before even our parents were born and no justice has been served.

This IMO explains why all if not many Muslims don't support this.

This is not to say that a lot of Muslims don't support two state solution. In fact, 70% of all Palestinians want such a solution.

de_barathrum · 01-13-2009, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PakZameen

*quietly takes a seat to watch these self-proclaimed experts discuss Islam*

this thread isnt so much about islam, more so the fact why most muslims do not support israel. if islam is part of the reason then it may be brought up.

de_barathrum · 01-13-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MWarsame

Nice try BJPlayer.

Nearly all major Muslim countries have suffered direct or indirect conflict with the west but these conflicts come and go. Israel however have been in conflict (extermination type of conflict) with the Palestinians before even our parents were born and no justice has been served.

This IMO explains why all if not many Muslims don't support this.

This is not to say that a lot of Muslims don't support two state solution. In fact, 70% of all Palestinians want such a solution.

what kind of justice are you referring to?

and do you think that a two state solution at this point is beyond consideration? personally, i think at this point israel will never allow the palestinians to have an independent self-elected government again after what happened with hamas.

MWarsame · 01-13-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by de_barathrum

what kind of justice are you referring to?

and do you think that a two state solution at this point is beyond consideration? personally, i think at this point israel will never allow the palestinians to have an independent self-elected government again after what happened with hamas.

Well Israel has been and still are expanding illegally. This means many innocent families being thrown out of their homes and into camps or whatnot. A justice would be for the settlers to return whatever they stole.

I think you are right with Israel not allowing the Palestinians to elect their own government. You should know this too, Israel starved and still is a whole nation as a punishment for electing Hamas.

So much for democracy

LaBamba · 01-13-2009, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MWarsame

Well Israel has been and still are expanding illegally. This means many innocent families being thrown out of their homes and into camps or whatnot. A justice would be for the settlers to return whatever they stole.

I think you are right with Israel not allowing the Palestinians to elect their own government. You should know this too, Israel starved and still is a whole nation as a punishment for electing Hamas.

So much for democracy

...Ok?
How about this, Israel will go to jewish houses and evacuate them without asking , the must make the palestinians happy and tell them that Israel wants peace!
Oh wait...Gaza...Gush Katif....Hamas...Rockets...Nevermind.

BTW where did you get this thing that Israel is kicking palestinians out of their homes and putting settlers instead :?

MWarsame · 01-13-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LaBamba

...Ok?
How about this, Israel will go to jewish houses and evacuate them without asking , the must make the palestinians happy and tell them that Israel wants peace!
Oh wait...Gaza...Gush Katif....Hamas...Rockets...Nevermind.

BTW where did you get this thing that Israel is kicking palestinians out of their homes and putting settlers instead :?

Cmon brah! Even the pro pro PRO-Israeli supporters in this forum acknowledge the crime settlers are causing.

Anyways: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=israeli+settlers

photomasterx · 01-13-2009, 07:26 AM

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Cmon brah! Even the pro pro PRO-Israeli supporters in this forum acknowledge the crime settlers are causing.

Anyways: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=israeli+settlers

Why are you even replying to him.

Just do the sensible thing like I did and put him on ignore.

BJplayer · 01-13-2009, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MWarsame

Nice try BJPlayer.

Nearly all major Muslim countries have suffered direct or indirect conflict with the west but these conflicts come and go. Israel however have been in conflict (extermination type of conflict) with the Palestinians before even our parents were born and no justice has been served.

This IMO explains why all if not many Muslims don't support this.

This is not to say that a lot of Muslims don't support two state solution. In fact, 70% of all Palestinians want such a solution.

Why do you say nice try? You execute people for their religious beliefs which you call apostacy. You execute people for their sexual orientation. Is it a far leap of logic to think you might do harm to people for their political beliefs? The United States lost 3000 lives on 9/11 because some Muslims objected to our support of Israel. Please help me understand why you dismiss my question.

asiya-sparkles · 01-13-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MWarsame

Nice try BJPlayer.

Nearly all major Muslim countries have suffered direct or indirect conflict with the west but these conflicts come and go. Israel however have been in conflict (extermination type of conflict) with the Palestinians before even our parents were born and no justice has been served.

This IMO explains why all if not many Muslims don't support this.

This is not to say that a lot of Muslims don't support two state solution. In fact, 70% of all Palestinians want such a solution.

Completely agree with this. And, I have to say, that if the roles were reversed, I'd still not support a side who has no compassion or respect for his fellow man & basic human rights & dignity. Then I'd be speaking out and enjoining right and forbidding wrong God willing.

I don't think there is anything to support in Israel's case, I would be as outraged if this was happening to Christians or atheists too, and i think the zionist treatment of Israelis and Jews who oppose this regime is barbaric too.

Believ3r · 01-13-2009, 10:04 AM

Only the special type do that fit under the category of "Murtaddeen"

BJplayer · 01-13-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by asiya-sparkles

Completely agree with this. And, I have to say, that if the roles were reversed, I'd still not support a side who has no compassion or respect for his fellow man & basic human rights & dignity. Then I'd be speaking out and enjoining right and forbidding wrong God willing.

I don't think there is anything to support in Israel's case, I would be as outraged if this was happening to Christians or atheists too, and i think the zionist treatment of Israelis and Jews who oppose this regime is barbaric too.

I understand and respect for you at least saying that you would take the side of Jews or Christians if they were being victimized by Muslims. My question to you is do you think Hamas and Hezzballah have respect for basic human rights of Jews?

DCarruso · 01-13-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MWarsame

Nice try BJPlayer.

Nearly all major Muslim countries have suffered direct or indirect conflict with the west but these conflicts come and go. Israel however have been in conflict (extermination type of conflict) with the Palestinians before even our parents were born and no justice has been served.

This IMO explains why all if not many Muslims don't support this.

This is not to say that a lot of Muslims don't support two state solution. In fact, 70% of all Palestinians want such a solution.

Who are the 30% that do not want a two state solution? Hamas?

Does the 2 state solution includes " We still want to destroy Israel and push all the Jews into the sea" and " We will never recognize Israel's right to exist"?

Not flame baiting there. I am just curious if it is a genuine '2 state solution, ie peaceful coexistence and renounciation of violence" or a "2 state solution with a lot of strings that will wipe out Israel eventually".

mjfan12 · 01-13-2009, 10:44 AM

bros before hos!

psamty · 01-13-2009, 11:19 AM

Would an American ever support the people supporting America (other than hippies, they dont count)?

SenorSan · 01-13-2009, 11:46 AM

I know a Muslim guy that is completely for Israel. He makes a lot of notes about it on facebook. He is part of a Jewish club and a Muslim club at our school, and he tried to organize an event for both that would be all about peace and understanding, the Muslim club completely disowned him lol. Sad, they were like "what a terrible time for this sort of thing, with all of them murdering our people" *facepalm* that's why you try to make peace.

It is pretty rare to see that though, but this guy isn't your average Muslim dude. Like I said, he is part of a Jewish club and seems pretty interested in religion in general, doesn't discriminate or anything.

Lucky_ROA · 01-13-2009, 12:27 PM

*holds a lighter to the Israeli flag*

Can you repeat your question again bro ?

MWarsame · 01-13-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DCarruso

Who are the 30% that do not want a two state solution? Hamas?

Does the 2 state solution includes " We still want to destroy Israel and push all the Jews into the sea" and " We will never recognize Israel's right to exist"?

Not flame baiting there. I am just curious if it is a genuine '2 state solution, ie peaceful coexistence and renounciation of violence" or a "2 state solution with a lot of strings that will wipe out Israel eventually".

Dude Palestinians shed A LOT OF BLOOD. They (excluding the minor number of extremist) want to live life like you and me.

However, I doubt that would happen because Israel wouldn't allow that.

Not flame baiting either.

72cutlass · 01-13-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MWarsame

Dude Palestinians shed A LOT OF BLOOD. They (excluding the minor number of extremist) want to live life like you and me.

However, I doubt that would happen because Israel wouldn't allow that.

Not flame baiting either.

there already was a two state solution, it wasnt the Israelis who were the ones pissed off about it......

illriginalized · 01-13-2009, 02:09 PM

I don't think there's one Muslim out there that supports the existence of Israel.

O/T
Speaking of supporting, I went to the mall today to buy a new pair of cross training sneakers and I saw a Middle Eastern Wear shop in the middle of the mall. It's the only religious store in the whole mall o.O;

Anyways, spent a good $60 on a, "Free Palestine" and a, "Palestinian Sovereignty" shirt + vinyl stickers.

DCarruso · 01-13-2009, 02:26 PM

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Anyways, spent a good $60 on a, "Free Palestine" and a, "Palestinian Sovereignty" shirt + vinyl stickers.

They probably have "Made in China" stickers on them.

pantera02018 · 01-13-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny23

I don't think there's one Muslim out there that supports the existence of Israel.

O/T
Speaking of supporting, I went to the mall today to buy a new pair of cross training sneakers and I saw a Middle Eastern Wear shop in the middle of the mall. It's the only religious store in the whole mall o.O;

Anyways, spent a good $60 on a, "Free Palestine" and a, "Palestinian Sovereignty" shirt + vinyl stickers.

if you paid with CC you now have fbi watching your ass

eagerlly awaiting the negs you owe me.