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my endurance nutrition aritcle

this came off my blog i'll add more detail and depth soon but it's a start for people just getting going

Eating for the long run ? endurance exercise and diet
The best thing about being an endurance athlete is the food, put simply when you?re out there training you are burning calories ? when you get back from training you need to replace them so you can do the same thing the next day. Sadly though it?s not all about the three C?s (crisps, cake and chocolate) there?s a little more to it than that (I mean I forgot to add custard and chips) . But we?re about to learn that the athletes diet can include all kinds of good food at the right times and in the right amounts, the great thing about training is that it lets you indulge little more whilst becoming more little?.
I?m going to take you through my diet at training camp this week and then suggest adaptations that you can make if you aren?t exercising six hours a day.
Breakfast/pre ride
It?s good to get some caffeine before the exercise session of the day (if you train later in the afternoon maybe not, I like to stop drinking coffee 6 hours before bed) before training you need carbs, depending on the length and intensity of your session eat between one and 3 hours before (longer for hard, short sessions, closer for long slow days) I?m a huge porridge fan ? I like to add rasinins (amazin? raisins are awesome here) nut butters, pumpkin puree, honey, cinnamon, coca, granola, other dried fruit ? soy milk or whatever else I fancy. Some of the boys eat eggs ? I prefer not to but generally carbs are the focus. Other ideas if it?s not brekkie time include nutella on toast, cereal, yogurt, baked potatoes (with lowfat fillings) pasta, rice etc.

Riding
I like to take in about 300 kcal an hour on ides over 2 hours, I was riding 6 hours a day on amp so I tend to mix up an electrolyte beverage at about 5-10% carb concentration and take on a trek bar every hour. To mix it up I at dried fruit, rice krispie squares, cakes if we stop for coffee and cakes, sarnies with jam/honey/nutbutter and then in the last hour of the ride or race sweets with a high gi and lots of simple sugars or maybe energy gels or honey packs. I get some caffeine on the ride as well up to 800mg from ports foods and products.
The take home lesson here is to fuel any session over 90 mins with a low fat high carb snack like bananas trek bars or dried fruit

After riding
When I get home, ?m tired and empty ? your body has about 20 mins to refuel it?s muscle glycogen (stored energy) and it?s a great time o take on some good food. I like to eat kiddie cereal with yogurt and fruit, many people favour a milkshake, or recovery drink. Basically you want low fat and carbs to protein in a 4:1 ratio. I eat this then shower and clean my bike before hitting a big meal ? rice and beans with veggie curry being a current favourite. If it?s been a big day I?ll take a dessert now or with my evening meal ? I like to make cake and cookies with my girlfriend and rice pudding is always popular as is ice cream
Your take home lesson here is to eat a snack soon after you get back. Peanut butter and jam on toast is great as are smoothies keep the fat low, carbs high and moderate protein (about 10g) aim or about 500kcal then wait an hour or so to eat more.
The rest of the day
Depending on how hard you exercised and for how long you could have anything up to 4,000 calories to still eat. If this is the case feel free to indulge, eat a little bit of cake, have some cheese whatever takes your fancy, I try to always have an apple before i eat something like that, just to take the edge off my hunger but if I?m going to exercise then dammit I?m going to eat what I want. Lots of endurance sportsmen/women like to deprive themselves I?ve had too many hangry (hungry-angry) teammates in the pst to think this is a good idea. Food is fun, enjoy it! If you?re trying to loose a little weight this is the time to cut back don?t skimp on the pre/post training foods as they will fuel muscle and allow you to exercise more to burn off that xmas pudding
Make sure you get in a decent dinner if you?re training he next day, some carbs, protein and a bit of fat is in order ? pasta, rice and cous cous all have masses of yummy permutations - if you can go wholegrain do it ? I like wholegrains most of the time but in some cases (i.e. before or during rides where fiber should be kept down or pasta with pesto where you need a plain pasta) it?s fine to go with white stuff. Always hit your five a day (this is pretty easy really especially if you mix it up with some variety, I?m currently on a massive frozen berry kick)

It can get more complex than this and maybe I?ll go into depth later but stick with the following few take home rules:
- Fuel your fire before during and after training
- Eat yummy, natural wholesome foods where possible but don?t worry about treats try to stick to 80% good food 20% whatever you want
- Keep up the variety ? boredom leads to big bellies
- Get everyone in your house with the program, sharing is caring
- Enjoy eating and cooking, nothing says I love you like hot cake!
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Old 01-12-2009, 04:35 PM   #2
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Great post!

I've been baking russet potatoes and putting 1/2 a slice of cheddar cheese inside for nourishment during the ride. Got lots of nutrients and carbs from the potato, some salt, a little protein and fat from the cheese.

Do you think it's better to have a small recovery meal (500cal) and then a larger meal later(1000cal), rather than one big meal right away (1500cal)?
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Great post!

I've been baking russet potatoes and putting 1/2 a slice of cheddar cheese inside for nourishment during the ride. Got lots of nutrients and carbs from the potato, some salt, a little protein and fat from the cheese.

Do you think it's better to have a small recovery meal (500cal) and then a larger meal later(1000cal), rather than one big meal right away (1500cal)?
i actually rode with a teammate recently who swears by rice. eggs and ham in a roll , he uses sticky rice and it works for him. I have done 'taters before and have ham sarnies in the team car for longer stuff.

as for the recovery meal your stomach isn't prepped for a huge and fibrous meal right fter a ride - get somehting fast into you like cereal and milk then clean up and eat a big meal - that's my experience and seems ot be the general trend amongst elite level riders
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Great post!

I've been baking russet potatoes and putting 1/2 a slice of cheddar cheese inside for nourishment during the ride. Got lots of nutrients and carbs from the potato, some salt, a little protein and fat from the cheese.

Do you think it's better to have a small recovery meal (500cal) and then a larger meal later(1000cal), rather than one big meal right away (1500cal)?
From my previous life racing experience, I always found it better to use 2 meals. Notwithstanding not being able stomach a huge meal, I needed to place a priority on rehydration so a mostly liquid meal with electrolytes followed by a solid one later. A constant influx of substrate is important, especially when I was stringing mutiple days of intense sessions together.
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as for the recovery meal your stomach isn't prepped for a huge and fibrous meal right fter a ride - get somehting fast into you like cereal and milk then clean up and eat a big meal - that's my experience and seems ot be the general trend amongst elite level riders
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From my previous life racing experience, I always found it better to use 2 meals. Notwithstanding not being able stomach a huge, I needed to place a priority on rehydration so a mostly lquid meal with electrolytes followed by a solid one later. A constant influx of substrate is important, especially when I was stringing mutiple days of intense sessions together.

Thanks guys, I think I'll need to start stocking up on the milk
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Hmmm.... All well and good.... But playing devils advocate here:

- Do you have research to back up your point of view? [ie: is what works for you 'what is recommended as best practice']?
- Do you have 'universal figures' to suggest that are based on body weight?
- Do you have figures for pre/ during nutrition based on time in the saddle (eg: pre ride nutrition levels - what and how much?? Fluid/ electrolytes/ energy for a given unit of time during the ride)?
- Would you recommend caffeine during?
- What osmolarity of carb/electrolyte solution would you suggest during (you say a concentration of 5-10%... that is a big range... what electrolytes are we talking about here - What about carbs - source/ amount? Would you want to add proteins to this? If so - what/ how much?)
- What about carbs/protein per unit body weight POST workout to best restore glycogen? Over what time period do you recommend these? Liquid? Solids?
- What is your position on the use of fats in the peri-workout period for endurance athletes? Why?


[Basically --> Why I ask these is that there needs to be more of a 'reason' for people to believe you than 'this works for me'.... And there needs to be some way someone 'who isn't your size' can then use the info for their own purposes'].
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Hmmm.... All well and good.... But playing devils advocate here:

- Do you have research to back up your point of view? [ie: is what works for you 'what is recommended as best practice']? yeah lots i can reference anyone who is iterested but i need to look it up
- Do you have 'universal figures' to suggest that are based on body weight?
- Do you have figures for pre/ during nutrition based on time in the saddle (eg: pre ride nutrition levels - what and how much?? Fluid/ electrolytes/ energy for a given unit of time during the ride)? weigh yourself naked before an dafter the ride and aim to replace that mass of fluid during your next ride so if you lose 1 kilo drink 1L - yous hould aim for around 1g of carb per kilo if using a glucose fructose blend, you can only hit about 0.7g per kilo with pure glucose though due to different absorbtion paths
- Would you recommend caffeine during? yes - i like to take caffinated drink or gel in the last hour
- What osmolarity of carb/electrolyte solution would you suggest during (you say a concentration of 5-10%... that is a big range... what electrolytes are we talking about here - What about carbs - source/ amount? Would you want to add proteins to this? If so - what/ how much?) - i wouldn't add protein unless it was a really long ride in which case i would prefer to eat some protein, if you don't get stomach issues i would maybe add some proteina s abotu 10% of calories in rides over 4 hours.
- What about carbs/protein per unit body weight POST workout to best restore glycogen? Over what time period do you recommend these? Liquid? Solids? you need to restore your glycogen as best you can in a 2 hour window - you want 4g of carbs per kilo with around 10-15g o protein right after training the protein aids absorbtion here. Then later meals should shoot for 6-8g per kilo
- What is your position on the use of fats in the peri-workout period for endurance athletes? Why? pre workout fats are tolerated by some riders, they help with sateity and getitng int he calories but it all depends on your individual tolerance


[Basically --> Why I ask these is that there needs to be more of a 'reason' for people to believe you than 'this works for me'.... And there needs to be some way someone 'who isn't your size' can then use the info for their own purposes'].
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Great article! For nutrition during a ride I usually also get about 300 cals/hour, usually mostly through Clif bars. If i'm on a supported ride, i'm all about the PB&J or PB&honey though. I usually get about 20oz of electrolyte beverage per hour, too, depending on the temperature and rate at which i'm losing fluids.

I do much better with two meals after a ride than one. During the charity ride I did last summer, I ate a big meal soon after riding a century the first day and ended up spewing. LOL and just fyi, beer did not help my cause.

I think it's really hard to boil endurance nutrition down into an exact science because it is so highly dependant on the individual. I know an amazing rider who doesn't eat at all before the ride and then gets all of his energy from gels during the ride. I can't do that -- I need to get a substantial meal with carbs + protein pre-ride (plus some caffeine! i always have AM coffee, riding days are no different). I also need solid food during the ride or my stomach goes crazy.

At the end of the day, we know that fueling is important, and the general guideline i've seen is about 200-300 cals an hour + about 20 oz of lyte drink hourly, a nice big carb rich meal the night before, and carbs after the ride followed by a well balanced meal. These are just general guidelines though, and it is ultimately a matter of "it works for me."

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spot on endurance nutrition is much mor eabout trial and error than bbing - your level of fficiency on the bike will massivley determine your fat burning/ carb usage - i'm pretty damn efficient at fat burning but then i ride my bike for 25 hours a week in the winter, it's a matter of finding out what works for you within the general guidelines - i too can do a century on only gels but i would ather not, big races i tend to eat very little during or before - i just can't!
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