M-drol vs. H-drol

dailygrind · 01-12-2009, 09:46 AM

Thinking about starting my first ever cycle and was wondering what is the difference between these two. Yes I have done my reserach but I am new to the pro horomone scene and would like some help.

Thanks ahead of time.

nickrut · 01-12-2009, 09:49 AM

Go with Hdrol.

And no offense, but if you've done your research then you'd know the differences between the two.

M-drol is far more prone to sides so it is generally not to be considered for a first cycle.

Hdrol is a great starter PH.

BreakingPoint8 · 01-12-2009, 09:52 AM

H-drol definitely for a first timer. M-drol for your 3rd or 4th cycle. H-drol is chemically close to Turinabol and M-drol is methylated drostanolone.

TheSupremeBeing · 01-12-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dailygrind

Thinking about starting my first ever cycle and was wondering what is the difference between these two. Yes I have done my reserach but I am new to the pro horomone scene and would like some help.

Thanks ahead of time.

I never understood the DOGMA of not using a strong steroid for your 1st cycle...if you're gonna go ahead and use it in the future, you may as well use it now. Using it later will NOT somehow give you less side-effects. Typically, most people use TESTOSTERONE itself for their 1st cycle, until these legal steroids became available.

M-Drol is far stronger than H-Drol, and will produce SIGNIFICANTLY more muscle mass and strength than H-Drol; not even close really. Indeed, M-Drol may produce more side-effects than H-Drol, but this should have no bearing on your decision. Like I said, if you're gonna go ahead and use it in the future, you may as well use it now. Using it later will NOT somehow give you less side-effects.

dailygrind · 01-12-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nickrut

Go with Hdrol.

And no offense, but if you've done your research then you'd know the differences between the two.

M-drol is far more prone to sides so it is generally not to be considered for a first cycle.

Hdrol is a great starter PH.

Ok your right. I mean I know whats in both and that everyone says to stay away from m-drol for your first cycle but I was just wanting to know the reason why. Is it simply because that m-drol is more powerful than H-drol?

TheSupremeBeing · 01-12-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dailygrind

Ok your right. I mean I know whats in both and that everyone says to stay away from m-drol for your first cycle but I was just wanting to know the reason why. Is it simply because that m-drol is more powerful than H-drol?

There is no reason, it's just DOGMA. It is more powerful and has more side-effects(lethargy, low libido, etc).

nickrut · 01-12-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSupremeBeing

I never understood the DOGMA of not using a strong steroid for your 1st cycle...if you're gonna go ahead and use it in the future, you may as well use it now. Using it later will NOT somehow give you less side-effects. Typically, most people use TESTOSTERONE itself for their 1st cycle, until these legal steroids became available.

M-Drol is far stronger than H-Drol, and will produce SIGNIFICANTLY more muscle mass and strength than H-Drol; not even close really. Indeed, M-Drol may produce more side-effects than H-Drol, but this should have no bearing on your decision. Like I said, if you're gonna go ahead and use it in the future, you may as well use it now. Using it later will NOT somehow give you less side-effects.

I suggest it because if this is your first go around you might not know how to handle the sides and you have no idea how susceptible to shutdown you are.

Also, if you start with the most potent you have no way to move up in future cycles so you will most likely be disappointed with the rest of your cycles.

Without progressing to stronger things, why not just start doing cycles right when you start lifting?

BreakingPoint8 · 01-12-2009, 10:01 AM

There must be a reason your negged into the red...

nickrut · 01-12-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dailygrind

Ok your right. I mean I know whats in both and that everyone says to stay away from m-drol for your first cycle but I was just wanting to know the reason why. Is it simply because that m-drol is more powerful than H-drol?

Less sides, easier PCT, easier cycle to stay focused through (less libido/lethargy issues), leaves room for improvement in next cycles. And mdrol is just generally a highly debated compound. Alot of very well informed people feel that the results are not worth the sides.

If the sides are so bad that you can barely function then whats the point? (not necessarily true for everyone but something to consider)

TheSupremeBeing · 01-12-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by nickrut

I suggest it because if this is your first go around you might not know how to handle the sides and you have no idea how susceptible to shutdown you are.

Also, if you start with the most potent you have no way to move up in future cycles so you will most likely be disappointed with the rest of your cycles.

Without progressing to stronger things, why not just start doing cycles right when you start lifting?

Knowing how to handle the sides does not come with experience, it comes with KNOWLEDGE. Furthermore, if you are not prepared to experience HPTA inhibition, than you are not ready to use Anabolic Steroids.

Your 1st cycle is always your best, there is no reason for him to use H-Drol as a 1st cycle, he may as well just stay natty.

dailygrind · 01-12-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSupremeBeing

I never understood the DOGMA of not using a strong steroid for your 1st cycle...if you're gonna go ahead and use it in the future, you may as well use it now. Using it later will NOT somehow give you less side-effects. Typically, most people use TESTOSTERONE itself for their 1st cycle, until these legal steroids became available.

M-Drol is far stronger than H-Drol, and will produce SIGNIFICANTLY more muscle mass and strength than H-Drol; not even close really. Indeed, M-Drol may produce more side-effects than H-Drol, but this should have no bearing on your decision. Like I said, if you're gonna go ahead and use it in the future, you may as well use it now. Using it later will NOT somehow give you less side-effects.

Thanks, thats kinda the feeling I have towards it also. I have done test boosters in the past but didn't really see all that big of a difference while on them. I am in a bulking stage right now and am looking to get back to a solid 215-220 lbs. (sitting at 205 now up from 185 this summer)

But I am somewhat unknowledgable on the subject. Should you do a pre cycle support for m-drol? And if so what is a good product and dosage? Also what should I use as cycle support during and after the cycle.

Thanks, and I know I might get flamed for asking such general questions but it seems that there isn't a lot of info on M-drol speciffically when using the search function.

TheSupremeBeing · 01-12-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dailygrind

Thanks, thats kinda the feeling I have towards it also. I have done test boosters in the past but didn't really see all that big of a difference while on them. I am in a bulking stage right now and am looking to get back to a solid 215-220 lbs. (sitting at 205 now up from 185 this summer)

But I am somewhat unknowledgable on the subject. Should you do a pre cycle support for m-drol? And if so what is a good product and dosage? Also what should I use as cycle support during and after the cycle.

Thanks, and I know I might get flamed for asking such general questions but it seems that there isn't a lot of info on M-drol speciffically when using the search function.

The side-effects of M-Drol are so drastically overstated it makes me laugh...

I have ran this compound multiple times and I have never once needed on cycle support supplements. I mean, of course it would be prudent to do so if you are worried, but I can honestly say that it was never necessitated.

Just make sure you have a solid PCT lined up, I would run 6-oxo or Novedex XT in conjunction with either AndroGenerator or T-Bol.

nickrut · 01-12-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSupremeBeing

Knowing how to handle the sides does not come with experience, it comes with KNOWLEDGE. Furthermore, if you are not prepared to experience HPTA inhibition, than you are not ready to use Anabolic Steroids.

Your 1st cycle is always your best, there is no reason for him to use H-Drol as a 1st cycle, he may as well just stay natty.

Everyone reacts to different compounds differently so knowing how to handle sides does come with experience. For example, its common practice to use hawthorne berry for BP but alot of people do not respond well to it and instead use celery extract. People tend to panic if they feel like dog **** as well.

1st cycle of a given compound is always your best, not necessarily the first cycle period.

TheSupremeBeing · 01-12-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nickrut

Everyone reacts to different compounds differently so knowing how to handle sides does come with experience. For example, its common practice to use hawthorne berry for BP but alot of people do not respond well to it and instead use celery extract. People tend to panic if they feel like dog **** as well.

1st cycle of a given compound is always your best, not necessarily the first cycle period.

Of course everyone reacts differently, that is why users should be INFORMED of what supplments to take in order to counteract these potential side-effects. I have never needed cycle support supplements, some users may. However, this should not be a DETERENT for using a compound at all.

BreakingPoint8 · 01-12-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSupremeBeing

Of course everyone reacts differently, that is why users should be INFORMED of what supplments to take in order to counteract these potential side-effects. I have never needed cycle support supplements, some users may. However, this should not be a DETERENT for using a compound at all.

Ask any of the vets on this forum and they will most likely disagree with your use whatever compound you feel like for your first cycle mentality.

TheSupremeBeing · 01-12-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakingPoint8

Ask any of the vets on this forum and they will most likely disagree with your use whatever compound you feel like for your first cycle mentality.

That's because most VETS are dogmatists who just repeat what they have heard.

I am a 10 year VET on STEROID FORUMS such as EliteFitness, and I have my very own STEROID forum called Supreme Sports Fitness, check it out. I also have an extensive personal history with anabolic steroids.

dailygrind · 01-12-2009, 10:21 AM

Thanks for everyones help. Not trying to start arguments about the subject and it is evident that everyone has mixed feelings as far as first time cycle goes.

Me, personnally i do not want to continue to take cycles in the future. I would just like to accomplish what I call the first time newbie gains from an initial cycle and then try to maitain atleast some of what it accomplished and take it natty from there.

BreakingPoint8 · 01-12-2009, 10:22 AM

So you've been a steroid "vet" since age 16? Interesting..

TheSupremeBeing · 01-12-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakingPoint8

So you've been a steroid "vet" since age 16? Interesting..

About 8 years, I joined the steroid community doing research at around 18.

BreakingPoint8 · 01-12-2009, 10:24 AM

I see..

TheSupremeBeing · 01-12-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dailygrind

Thanks for everyones help. Not trying to start arguments about the subject and it is evident that everyone has mixed feelings as far as first time cycle goes.

Me, personnally i do not want to continue to take cycles in the future. I would just like to accomplish what I call the first time newbie gains from an initial cycle and then try to maitain atleast some of what it accomplished and take it natty from there.

Glad I could help my friend.

GOOD LUCK!

dailygrind · 01-12-2009, 10:36 AM

Ok, well say that I play it safe and start with H-drol first. What dosage and time frame is optimal? 5 weeks of 50/50/75/75/75? Would reversitol be the only pct I would need to use? And would it be a good idea to stack milk thislte and saw palmetto on top of the h drol during the cycle?

Bydded_Gryf · 01-12-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dailygrind

Ok, well say that I play it safe and start with H-drol first. What dosage and time frame is optimal? 5 weeks of 50/50/75/75/75? Would reversitol be the only pct I would need to use? And would it be a good idea to stack milk thislte and saw palmetto on top of the h drol during the cycle?

Cycle looks good and reversitol is great for PCT. Regarding on-cycle support supps, some people would say they are unnecessary, but if you want to be safe something like AI's cycle support would be good. Or, if you want to use individual ingredients, remember something for blood pressure (hawthorne berry or celery seed extract)

dailygrind · 01-12-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bydded_Gryf

Cycle looks good and reversitol is great for PCT. Regarding on-cycle support supps, some people would say they are unnecessary, but if you want to be safe something like AI's cycle support would be good. Or, if you want to use individual ingredients, remember something for blood pressure (hawthorne berry or celery seed extract)

Yeah I know some people are saying it's unessary to do cycle support but why not do it just in case. Would reversitol be all I needed for PCT? And how long and how much should I take hawthorne berry to control my bp?

IRON HORSE J · 01-12-2009, 12:40 PM

You ever thought about using dymethazine?

dailygrind · 01-12-2009, 12:47 PM

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You ever thought about using dymethazine?

No I haven't enlighten me!

PATBROST · 01-12-2009, 01:33 PM

How do you dose the H-Drol 1 pill before workout and 1 after? 2 at a time?

Thanks

BreakingPoint8 · 01-12-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PATBROST

How do you dose the H-Drol 1 pill before workout and 1 after? 2 at a time?

Thanks

Generally the half-life of the drug is considered when taking it. For most PH/DS it's around 6-10 hours.

Bydded_Gryf · 01-12-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dailygrind

Yeah I know some people are saying it's unessary to do cycle support but why not do it just in case. Would reversitol be all I needed for PCT? And how long and how much should I take hawthorne berry to control my bp?

Reversitol is fine for PCT for Hdrol.
Preload hawthorne berry for 1 week before your cycle and then during