The Official Warrior Diet Discussion Thread

[King_Alpha]

Not flaming the WD, just I don't think its for me, but hey, I gave it a try!

Good on you for at least giving it a go mate! I personally don't think WD is for everyone. Whatever works for you, stick with it.

[stephendonald]

Try high fiber low calorie vegetables and nuts during your under-eating phase. But, eventually you'll get used to it and you wouldn't need to eat during this phase anymore (speaking from my own experience).

And yes, 2 casein shakes ARE a BIT excessive.

Trust me, read fatdaddy's journal and find out how many of us are thriving on WD. We are not shrinking away like what they teach in bro-science 101.

What about one protein shake?

It's only like 120 cals

I'm only getting like 100 grams of protein during my overeating and I weight about 180

[King_Alpha]

I'm only getting like 100 grams of protein during my overeating and I weight about 180

It's really up to your food philosophy. I personally don't buy the 1 gram of protein per .... of mass crap. I've gained muscles in my 4 years of training on way less than that amount. I usually do about 80-100, sometimes 120 if I'm going to a BBQ. I only take in a shake if I don't have enough food to eat for the night.

Up to you on this one. If you are worried, have shake and some protein food (eggs, tuna ... etc). Whole food >> supplements

[nathanbailey]

What about one protein shake?

It's only like 120 cals

I'm only getting like 100 grams of protein during my overeating and I weight about 180

he says you can have like one egg a day in the undereating phase.

so no your shakes are out of the question :P

seriously you got no reason to take any during the day anyway.

if u have a protein shake post workout and one pre bed its NOT that hard you could get 100g protein just from those 2 drinks.

i have 2 shakes every night i train. my post workout drink has a 40g scoop of protein and 300mls of milk which is 9 or so grams of protein. so that 50g from one shake. plus whatever protein is in the oats i have with it.. say 50g anyway.

then my pre-bed shake i have one scoop of xf up 2.0 which is 20g protein plus 300mls milk which is another 9g protein. so thats 30g pre bed and 50g post workout. 80 grams already without dinner. its not that hard buddy i think your really underestimating how much your eating a day.

besides ive found i really dont need that much protein to grow anymore...

[fatdaddy67]

Any tips for portioning myself during the undereating phase? I always feel like I'm eating either too little or too much!
I'm trying to get a bit more protein and I can't eat enough during overeating, so what's my 'limit' for undereating? Will two casein shakes be excessive?

I eat 4 strawberries, 2 pieces of string cheese, 2 small tomatoes, and 7 baby carrots during the undereating...and I basically nibble slowly all day.

Generally it's around 300 calories.

I would get a rpotein powder with little to no sugar, like Body Fortress (found at Wal-mart). 2 scoops of this has 230 calories and 52 grams of protein. If you can't find this, I would get something similar.

And I can easily get 100 grams of protein during overeating, between chicken and a small protein drink.

[KJR246]

Tonight I had 1 salmon fillet grilled, 1 chicken breast grilled and 2 whole carrots, 2 cans of tuna and half a tomato.

I have already had 8.2oz of chicken
8.6oz of carrots and
4.8oz of tomato.
Might have a couple more carrots later tonight, followed by some tuna.. Well see how it goes... Also I havent consumed any carb foods? Is this a bad thing?

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Maybe i'm just not doing it, or I havent given it time, but I have been constantly feeling like crap.

You were eating NO carbs, and very little if any fat. You need both of them in order to have energy. It wasn't the diet, it was your food choice. ALL protein. And I doubt you had enough calories overall anyway. One day you had like 500 calories. That's not enough.

If you have more carbs and fat I guaruntee you would feel better.

[nathanbailey]

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You were eating NO carbs, and very little if any fat. You need both of them in order to have energy. It wasn't the diet, it was your food choice. ALL protein. And I doubt you had enough calories overall anyway. One day you had like 500 calories. That's not enough.

If you have more carbs and fat I guaruntee you would feel better.

i tried to tell him but he obviously just skipped over my post :P

[stephendonald]

besides ive found i really dont need that much protein to grow anymore...

It's really up to your food philosophy. I personally don't buy the 1 gram of protein per .... of mass crap. I've gained muscles in my 4 years of training on way less than that amount. I usually do about 80-100, sometimes 120 if I'm going to a BBQ. I only take in a shake if I don't have enough food to eat for the night.

Up to you on this one. If you are worried, have shake and some protein food (eggs, tuna ... etc). Whole food >> supplements

Agreed, gents. I read somewhere that roughly .6-.7x bodyweight is sufficient to put on mass. I guess it's just real hard to break the whole broscience thing. For years I've been shooting for 1.5x bw in protein, which translates to close to 300 grams. Maybe that's why I've never been lean!
I'm worrying a little bit too much, I guess (I have that tendency). I need to give it a bit more time, it's only been a week.

Also, my meal is too close to my workout to have a post-workout protein shake. Would a pre-workout whey shake be fine?

But as an aside: what do ya'll think i should do if I have to be up for 24 hours (duty calls for it)? I can take a small nap or two during but I can't get a full block of sleep.

[Smithy_206]

No, I read the post on more carbs and fats
I couldn't stomach anymore after it anyway. The cans of tuna went too **** (n)

Also, for social issues it's better i'm off it too
everyone seems to think i'm a headcase, but I would have loved too have proved them wrong though

[nathanbailey]

No, I read the post on more carbs and fats
I couldn't stomach anymore after it anyway. The cans of tuna went too **** (n)

Also, for social issues it's better i'm off it too
everyone seems to think i'm a headcase, but I would have loved too have proved them wrong though

even my family thinks im a headcase and my diet is gonna kill me :P

[adrenergic]

lol..had 8 tacos (bout 15 gs protein per taco and maybe 15 more gs carbs plus some fat) had 2 eggs in 1 cup of pancake mix with 5 ounces of whole milk, an 8 oz glass of milk and, a foot long sub with olive oil, half lb roastbeef, hot peppers, lettuce tomatoe. also had 1/4 head of lettuce. still not full.

[angrymusic]

I need everyones opinion...

I am currently doing the stronglifts 5x5 program. Very similar to Ori's program me thinks. Heavy compound lifts. Every session weights are increased. After lifting...should I consume protein with 15-30 grams of simple carbs...or just go straight to my feed? I am shooting for weight loss here.

Thanks!

[stephendonald]

I need everyones opinion...

I am currently doing the stronglifts 5x5 program. Very similar to Ori's program me thinks. Heavy compound lifts. Every session weights are increased. After lifting...should I consume protein with 15-30 grams of simple carbs...or just go straight to my feed? I am shooting for weight loss here.

Thanks!

Well, the shake would be immediately after. Alternatively, would the feed be immediately after or would there be some time inbetween? If there's going to be a bit of time inbetween I'd say you may as well down that shake!

[KJR246]

You don't have to have a shake right after. Do it however you want. If I don't get enough protein then I'll add a shake, but I just start with my meal.

[fatdaddy67]

I need everyones opinion...

I am currently doing the stronglifts 5x5 program. Very similar to Ori's program me thinks. Heavy compound lifts. Every session weights are increased. After lifting...should I consume protein with 15-30 grams of simple carbs...or just go straight to my feed? I am shooting for weight loss here.

Thanks!

Best to have the protein, but no carbs.

[Alek]

LOL.

I guess Warrior Diet followers like us run into average people who claim that without food every x number of hours that the body will burn muscle and store fat. This thread shows the truth as quite the opposite.

Of course that is another myth that people use to try to justify the true scam of eating multiple small meals throughout the day.

We are a small warrior army here against the tyranny and lies of mainstream eating information.

Brad Pilon has done a ton of good work in dispelling the "x hours without meal will screw up your metabolism" b.s.

He has a ton of good research and studies.

I think the "eat every 2.5 hours" thing was invented by supplement companies personaly. There is absolutely no science showing that "your metabolism goes haywire unless you eat every x hours". It's pure BS.

[fatdaddy67]

Brad Pilon has done a ton of good work in dispelling the "x hours without meal will screw up your metabolism" b.s.

He has a ton of good research and studies.

I think the "eat every 2.5 hours" thing was invented by supplement companies personaly. There is absolutely no science showing that "your metabolism goes haywire unless you eat every x hours". It's pure BS.

Any links to Pilon?

[Alek]

Any links to Pilon?

Mmm, I am already on his list. I think he's friends with Ori or something. Can't remember where the original signup form was.

http://www.eatstopeat.com/blog.html

This is his blog, but really, all the best stuff, the goodies and the scientific research is on his email list, so signup for that. He's peddling something a bit different than Ori. Undereating and overeating for entire days instead of day vs. night. But their arguments are pretty similar.

[fatdaddy67]

Anyone have a recommendation for volume on the WD? I'm in a pretty deep caloric deficit I'd imagine, so I'm kinda scared of overtraining. Also, I'm in the military so I have mandatory PT.

Just keep your training no longer then one hour and you will be fine.

if you feel like you are overtraining, back off.

[KJR246]

Anyone have a recommendation for volume on the WD? I'm in a pretty deep caloric deficit I'd imagine, so I'm kinda scared of overtraining. Also, I'm in the military so I have mandatory PT.

Overtraining is harder than people think. Sleep and eat enough and you'll be fine. Try to keep it an hour or less, but that's the way it should be anyway. Don't be too deep in a deficit though.

[fatdaddy67]

Overtraining is harder than people think. Sleep and eat enough and you'll be fine. Try to keep it an hour or less, but that's the way it should be anyway. Don't be too deep in a deficit though.

Very true statement. Overtraining is harder to achieve then most think.

I am running a big caloric deficit on the WD, and my strength gains are great. Just hit deadlifts 410 x 10 and they felt light as hell.

[KJR246]

I am running a big caloric deficit on the WD, and my strength gains are great. Just hit deadlifts 410 x 10 and they felt light as hell.

That's crazy

edit: Who did you piss off to get so deep into the red. Did you get mod negged?

[fatdaddy67]

That's crazy

edit: Who did you piss off to get so deep into the red. Did you get mod negged?

I got gang raped by a bunch of Misc freaks who didn't like a post I made stating that I thought everyone should deadlift and squat. They called in reinforcements and hit me hard.

I get about 30 positive reps for every neg, but these guys had super rep power and hit me into the stone ages.

I got negged for stating my opinion in a respectful manner. But there are far too many 120 pound guys who know it all on this board...

No sweat though...I've gained back 11,000 in the last month...

[KJR246]

I got negged for stating fact in a respectful manner.

I see no reason why NOT to squat and deadlift unless you are a curl monkey.


That's why I stay out of the misc. Most don't even lift.

[fatdaddy67]

I see no reason why NOT to squat and deadlift unless you are a curl monkey.


That's why I stay out of the misc. Most don't even lift.

I learned the hard way

I spent my first year and a half on Bodyspace, never really coming on to the forums...the people were so great there that I got blindsided on some of the forums.

[Alek]

Did ya all try tomato juice yet?

Its recommended in the book and I'm finding it a swell recommendation indeed. Does wonders to curb appetite and revitilize you. Its pretty sweet.

[fatdaddy67]

Did ya all try tomato juice yet?

Its recommended in the book and I'm finding it a swell recommendation indeed. Does wonders to curb appetite and revitilize you. Its pretty sweet.

TJ is good to go. I switched to tomato, since I can't juice them at work.

[KJR246]

Did ya all try tomato juice yet?

I'm sure it's great. I just can't stand it.

[Bo DeLone]

Just keep your training no longer then one hour and you will be fine.

if you feel like you are overtraining, back off.

Good point.

I know Ori in the WD book and on his radio show recomends full body workouts that don't last long.

I think that Ori has been correct about so many things that he has another good point on the full body workouts compared to the typical gym members that only train chest and arms.

I just finished up about 6 weeks of full body workouts and I am feeling sore like a running back the day after the game so it's back off time for a few days.

Strength and size gains are better on the WD than eating 6 meals a day IMO.

[adrenergic]

TJ is good to go. I switched to tomato, since I can't juice them at work.

how do you think your results would be eating nothing and water fasting during undereating instead?

i'm not eating anything at all and wondering how it will affect me in the long run.