A Article By Rabbi Meir Kahane From The 1980s about Israel/Palestine Conflict

[balls2wall]

Dear World

I understand that you are upset by us, about Israel. Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry. (Outraged?) Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset by us. Today, it is the "brutal repression of the Palestinians"; yesterday it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War and the Sinai Campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily.

Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we - the Jewish People - upset you. We upset a German people who elected Hitler and upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians and Romanians. And we go back a long, long way in the history of world upset. We Upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us.

For centuries, we upset a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through inquisitions, and we upset the arch-enemy of the Church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews Within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

And it is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish State. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you and disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you (and thus love you) - and have you love us and so, we decided to come home - home to the same land we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman World that, apparently, we also upset.

Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left you and your pogroms and inquisitions and crusades and holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state, we continue to upset you. You are upset that we repress the poor Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East.

Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The "radical" Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset. Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920 and 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered tens of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron in 1929.

Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one Day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots between 1936-39? Was it because Arabs were upset over 1967? And when you, dear world, proposed a UN Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a "Palestinian State" alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried "no" and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that "upset" caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of "upset" then?

The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given to them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish state into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "itbach-al-yahud" (Massacre the Jew!) that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel.

What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today, but we should not "repress" them. Dear world, you stood by during the holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians dream daily of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land.

If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in the past you bothered us. In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew who could not care less.

[Jay Rawd]

Originally Posted by balls2wall

Dear World

"We're so special, everyone hates us because we're better than them" - unimportant dead guy

Yes, I'm sure, Mr. Cohen.

[Frozen_By_You]

The problem is this:

home to the same land we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman World that, apparently, we also upset.

You can't just come into a territory, raze down houses of people who have been living there for generations on the basis of "but guys, we were here TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO". People don't give a **** about what happened in the past because the past is that: the past.

What do you think would happen if natives in united states started to destroy houses and re-establish themselves on the basis that "their people" were there 500 years ago, before colonization?

People that got their houses destroyed by jewish colonies don't give a **** about the UN or international politics. They live their life peacefully and all of the sudden, you guys come in their backyard, destroy their homes, evict them and pack them behind a wall, what do you expect? Of course their going to defend themselves with their best abilities.

For the record, i think the holocaust is an abomination and i'm fiercely against anti-semitism, but i don't believe in the legitimacy of Israel. It's true that jews have been blamed for a lot of things and have been persecuted on the basis that they're jewish alone but jews are not martyrs either. There's a reason why jewish people are disliked by so many people and that has to do with their isolationist attitudes.

They don't include themselves in the society but would rather live in their own little world inside said society (eat jewish, buy jewish, sell jewish, marry jewish). If they would open up their communities a little instead of excluding non-jews, maybe people could start to learn about hebraic culture and would accept them more.

There's a reason why canadians and australians are viewed as the friendliest people on earth, it's because we are a diverse and open societies, something that the majority of jewish communities are not, which creates an "us vs them" mentality that's not very profitable for your own people.

Also, quit bitching each time someone makes a jew joke. Yes you've been persecuted, yes it was horrible, but stop crying anti-semitism and call the b'nai brith each time somone is not agreeing with you, it makes you look like stuck-up cry babies. There's a difference between a joke or caricature and putting millions of people to death in camps.

Sincerely, the rest of the world.

[Jay Rawd]

Originally Posted by Frozen_By_You

The problem is this:



You can't just come into a territory, raze down houses of people who have been living there for generations on the basis of "but guys, we were here TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO". People don't give a **** about what happened in the past because the past is that: the past.

What do you think would happen if natives in united states started to destroy houses and re-establish themselves on the basis that "their people" were there 500 years ago, before colonization?

People that got their houses destroyed by jewish colonies don't give a **** about the UN or international politics. They live their life peacefully and all of the sudden, you guys come in their backyard, destroy their homes, evict them and pack them behind a wall, what do you expect? Of course their going to defend themselves with their best abilities.

For the record, i think the holocaust is an abomination and i'm fiercely against anti-semitism, but i don't believe in the legitimacy of Israel. It's true that jews have been blamed for a lot of things and have been persecuted on the basis that they're jewish alone but jews are not martyrs either. There's a reason why jewish people are disliked by so many people and that has to do with their isolationist attitudes.

They don't include themselves in the society but would rather live in their own little world inside said society (eat jewish, buy jewish, sell jewish, marry jewish). If they would open up their communities a little instead of excluding non-jews, maybe people could start to learn about hebraic culture and would accept them more.

There's a reason why canadians and australians are viewed as the friendliest people on earth, it's because we are a diverse and open societies, something that the majority of jewish communities are not, which creates an "us vs them" mentality that's not very profitable for your own people.

Also, quit bitching each time someone makes a jew joke. Yes you've been persecuted, yes it was horrible, but stop crying anti-semitism and call the b'nai brith each time somone is not agreeing with you, it makes you look like stuck-up cry babies. There's a difference between a joke or caricature and putting millions of people to death in camps.

Sincerely, the rest of the world.

Here's what Jews don't seem to understand: they're not the only persecuted people in the world. Many of them would have you believe that the Jew and only the Jew has suffered terribly throughout his whole existence. The problem with Judaism (and this includes Jewish culture) is that self-love is overly emphasized. The Jew is at the center of the universe in Judaism and this translates to their behavior. All of a sudden it's ME, ME, ME, with Jews and anyone who disagrees does so only because of hate, and if you don't LOVE Jews, you MUST hate them.

[Frozen_By_You]

Originally Posted by Jay Rawd

Here's what Jews don't seem to understand: they're not the only persecuted people in the world. Many of them would have you believe that the Jew and only the Jew has suffered terribly throughout his whole existence. The problem with Judaism (and this includes Jewish culture) is that self-love is overly emphasized. The Jew is at the center of the universe in Judaism and this translates to their behavior. All of a sudden it's ME, ME, ME, with Jews and anyone who disagrees does so only because of hate, and if you don't LOVE Jews, you MUST hate them.

Yes exactly.

And may i point out that this way of thinking creates much more harm than good? Simply look at George W after the 9/11/2001 when he said "if you're not with us, you're against us."

The perception of USA in the world went down the drain after that. Ultimatums are not a good way to get accepted.

[1devil]

Originally Posted by Jay Rawd

Here's what Jews don't seem to understand: they're not the only persecuted people in the world. Many of them would have you believe that the Jew and only the Jew has suffered terribly throughout his whole existence. The problem with Judaism (and this includes Jewish culture) is that self-love is overly emphasized. The Jew is at the center of the universe in Judaism and this translates to their behavior. All of a sudden it's ME, ME, ME, with Jews and anyone who disagrees does so only because of hate, and if you don't LOVE Jews, you MUST hate them.

This guy does not represent most Jews. Please don't make sweeping generalizations about Jews based upon his statements. As a Jew I feel myself disgusted by Kahane. He promotes violence in the name of a pity party. it's the same disgust I feel for all those in this conflict who use the pity party tactic to justify violence.

[Blindead]

Originally Posted by 1devil

This guy does not represent most Jews. Please don't make sweeping generalizations about Jews based upon his statements. As a Jew I feel myself disgusted by Kahane. He promotes violence in the name of a pity party. it's the same disgust I feel for all those in this conflict who use the pity party tactic to justify violence.

k sweet, for a second I thought people were actually gonna talk about how awesome this article is. oh, wait, nuggz hasn't posted yet. nevermind lol!

[Jay Rawd]

Originally Posted by 1devil

This guy does not represent most Jews. Please don't make sweeping generalizations about Jews based upon his statements. As a Jew I feel myself disgusted by Kahane. He promotes violence in the name of a pity party. it's the same disgust I feel for all those in this conflict who use the pity party tactic to justify violence.

It's not based on cohen, it's based on the self-love that is taught to Jews from birth. Cohen's thoughts are fully in line with Judaism, and none of what he preaches is unorthodox.

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by Jay Rawd

It's not based on cohen, it's based on the self-love that is taught to Jews from birth. Cohen's thoughts are fully in line with Judaism, and none of what he preaches is unorthodox.

His name is Kahane, not Cohen, and his group, Kahane Kach is considered a terrorist organization in Israel.

[Jay Rawd]

Originally Posted by NuggzTheNinja

His name is Kahane, not Cohen, and his group, Kahane Kach is considered a terrorist organization in Israel.

Kahane and Cohen are spelled the exact same way in Hebrew. Kawf-Heth-Nun

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by Jay Rawd

Kahane and Cohen are spelled the exact same way in Hebrew. Kawf-Heth-Nun

It's the same root, but a different name.

So do the words for "vagina" and "cup".