Decision Decision!!

[raysmith]

weeks 1-3 prop @ 150mg ed
weeks 1-3 npp @ 100mg ed

2 weeks off

weeks 1-3 prop @ 150mg ed
weeks 1-3 tren @ 75mg ed

2 weeks off then repeat

OR

weeks 1-6 prop @ 150mg ed
weeks 1-6 npp @ 100mg ed

4 weeks off

weeks 1-6 prop @ 150mg ed
weeks 1-6 tren @ 75mg ed

4 weeks off then repeat

OR

weeks 1-6 prop @ 150mg ed
weeks 1-3 npp @ 100mg ed
weeks 4-6 tren @ 75mg ed

4 weeks off then repeat using alternating turns.

Or any of the cycles above use a combo of tren and npp @ half a ml each ed... But I prefer the other methods.

Ray

[strength777]

any particular reason you only want to do a 6 week cycle?

[Troy_Trinity]

i'd stick with the 6 weekers... gives the hormones a chance to get going strong than 4 weeks to give the body a break.

makes the most sense to me.. especially with npp- i feel it kick in full blast at week 3 so it would make no sense to stop it then.

[Troy_Trinity]

I believe ray is trt meaning he'd be cruising.

blast and cruise strength

[sixguns]

npp scares me.........

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by strength_77

any particular reason you only want to do a 6 week cycle?

I prefer shorter short estered cycles personally.

Originally Posted by Troy_Trinity

i'd stick with the 6 weekers... gives the hormones a chance to get going strong than 4 weeks to give the body a break.

makes the most sense to me.. especially with npp- i feel it kick in full blast at week 3 so it would make no sense to stop it then.

When 100mg prop 75mg tren ed I felt end of week 1. I may give 6 weeks a go this time around. I was doing 50mg prop ed 37.5mg tren ed for 6 weeks so upped the dose and cut the duration.

Originally Posted by Troy_Trinity

I believe ray is trt meaning he'd be cruising.

blast and cruise strength

yep

Originally Posted by sixguns

npp scares me.........

Boo!!

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On another forum it was suggested that I run both npp and tren together with prop.. But I dont think I can afford to do so..

[whitegato1488]

im with ray, im about to stop the long esters and long cycles. im tiered of not gaining anything after the 6 or 7th week. im going to start 4 weeks on 4 weeks off with 125mg of test cyp a week in between.

[whitegato1488]

Originally Posted by sixguns

npp scares me.........

why? npp is less suppressive the deca since it doesn't reestery.

[Moose46]

option #2 sounds like a good time

[drolfreak]

Option 2, 3 weeks is a really short amount of time, and besides, 6 weeks on tren is fun!

[Street_Dog]

Originally Posted by whitegato1488

im with ray, im about to stop the long esters and long cycles. im tiered of not gaining anything after the 6 or 7th week. im going to start 4 weeks on 4 weeks off with 125mg of test cyp a week in between.

It would be great if you could log this or just post back after a few blasts with your results.

[glycomann]

I gave short cycles a try last year. The first two worked great but then they didn't work well anymore. After the first 2 I took 10 weeks off completely with PCT for 4 weeks in the front end. Then I did two more shorties and they did ****-all. I was on a rollar coaster. It sucked. This year I'm doing things old school. Worked well in the past so I'm going back to it.

[spowers1]

Be careful with that NPP bro, I am still not fully recovered fron that sh*t, and you know I did it right.
A ML a day, keeps erections away!! ( I just thought of that for you!)

[Drumkid20]

boooo nandrolone...whats wrong with just tren?

[sixguns]

Originally Posted by whitegato1488

why? npp is less suppressive the deca since it doesn't reestery.

oops, my bad i was thinking DNP..... that **** scares me!! lol

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by glycomann

I gave short cycles a try last year. The first two worked great but then they didn't work well anymore. After the first 2 I took 10 weeks off completely with PCT for 4 weeks in the front end. Then I did two more shorties and they did ****-all. I was on a rollar coaster. It sucked. This year I'm doing things old school. Worked well in the past so I'm going back to it.

I used the same compounds religiously prop/tren throughout.. The first few was great then they slowed down, that's why I am going to swap tren with npp.. I'll probably do a 4 on 3 off this time around.

Originally Posted by spowers1

Be careful with that NPP bro, I am still not fully recovered fron that sh*t, and you know I did it right.
A ML a day, keeps erections away!! ( I just thought of that for you!)

Meh, high doses of tren were also ment to shut down libido but it didn't.. Infact nandrolone I feel gives me a little boost.

Originally Posted by Drumkid20

boooo nandrolone...whats wrong with just tren?

I was becoming too used to it me thinks..

[Drumkid20]

Read up on bigcats new nandrolone research hes compiled. The old stuff is really really old. Some interesting theorys about estrogenic effects dealing with nandrolone. Seems plausible to me, especially how people sometimes say their fine totally without caber. Plus...prolactin never gets THAT out of wack really...I've seen lboodwork from people that are on...I'm thinking bigcat might have something when he says nandrolone ITSELF can exert estrogenic effects by binding to ER's.

[AlmostNatural]

ray you're on trt?

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by AlmostNatural

ray you're on trt?

Im on pct at the moment after a 3 month tapper from 300mg test to 150mg with hcg, I am running 50mg clomid ed and 20mg nolva ed. I feel fine and no acne what so ever to report this time around, I am running 20mg accutane ed but I started it the same day as pct so was expecting to come out in some acne while the tane got working. Libido is also nice.

I cut my training temporarly into a short full body workout 3x per week, lost some strength but hey...

Whilst I was at gym I was thinking of other ways to experiment..

I was thinking of running prop @ 100-150mg ed for 16 weeks and 3-4 weeks on of tren then 3-4 weeks on of npp and rotate it around like that throughout.

My main problem I think is I get used to gear to fast, by week 4 I stop seeing gains on short esters, sucks I know but I guess everyone is different.. I'd like to see what N4cer has to say about the constant rotation of gear as I've heard him and Adam before discusing it I think.

[whitegato1488]

yeh im trying to figure this out too. ive read a couple of articles that say the androgen receptor doesn't down regulate but if thats the case then what the hell is going on. i though with prolonged use androgen receptors were suppose to multiply.