T-BOL vs Diesel Test Hardcore vs Mass FX?

[Jacket]

Any thoughts on these 3 products?

[nni]

mass fx is good.

[UNCnate]

mass fx is good.

Yes it is.

[NO HYPE]

Any thoughts on these 3 products?

Some thoughts on T-BOL: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...31&postcount=5

What are your goals?

[sublimejeh]

I would choose mass fx out of those three... solely because i dont like the other two (but mass fx is a great product and stands out in the face of other like products anyways)

[UNCnate]

Any thoughts on these 3 products?

They're really quite different products.

MassFX is different than T-Bol, just like T-Bol is different from DTH.

[kerplunk]

First, I think if you are comparing any products that are similar in action, you copy and paste the ingredient profiles next to each other and disect the pros and cons of each. So the first I will do to aid you in your decision is post the ingredient profiles...

B-6(Pyridoxine HCL) 3mg
Zinc(as Monomethionine) 5mg
Selenium(as L-Selenomethionine) 30mcg
Copper(Chelated) 250mcg

Proprietary Blend 1667mg *
Maca Root (12:1)
Epimedium (Horny Goat Weed)(Min. 40% Icariins)
Avena Sativa (Standarized For Avenacosides A&B)
Arginine HCL
Arginine Pyroglutamate
Bulgarian Tribulus Tribulus (Min. 20% Protodioscin)
Di-Indolyl Methane (DIM)
Rhodiola Rosea
Rosemary
Panax Ginseng
Tongkat Ali (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack)
Dodder Seed
Choline Bitartrate
Cnidium Monnieri
Cordyceps
Bioperine

AX Proprietary Matrix 1005mg
Divanil? [3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran (95%)]
Anti-Estrogen Support [White Button Mushroom Extract]
11-Alpha? [11alpha,20R-Dihydroxyecdysone (20%)]
Sea Buckthorn Isolated For [Secoisolariciresinol And Matairesinol]
25R-Diol? [(3b,5a,6a,25R)-Spirostan-3,6-Diol]
Forslean?

• Alatusterone? T. Alatus (Patent Pending Proprietary Extract) 100mg
• Testveratrol? Giant Knotweed Rhizome (50% Resveratrol) 300mg
• Divanabol? Urtica Dioica (97% 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran) 200mg
• Testafolia? Eurycoma Longifolia 125mg
  (Longjack, Aqueous Extraction Standardized For Our Proprietary Blend Of: Eurycomanone, 13-A (21)-Epoxyeurycomanone, Methoxycanthin-6-One, B-Carboline-1-Propioic Acid, Eurycomalactone)
• Lectosorb? Lecithin 100mg
• Forskobolin? (Coleus Forskohlii Standardized To 20% Forskolin) 50mg
• BZATD? (Zinc Amino Acid Chelate) 10mg
• ResoProtect? Bioperine? 2.5mg

So now, with each formula next to each other, look at the Pros and Cons of each. Some have Prop blends and you really dont know how much you get in each ingredients, which personally I find irresponsible as a supplement user. I'd personally want to know how much of each I put in my body. It's also good to breakdown each ingredients to make sure they are something that will help you reach your personal goals.

Also look at results from other users. You can easily locate results of each within this forum and find that some may produce more effects than others.

If you have any more questions let me know.

[SIRT1]

T-bol > Mass-Fx > Diesel Test

[NO HYPE]

Some have Prop blends and you really dont know how much you get in each ingredients, which personally I find irresponsible as a supplement user. I'd personally want to know how much of each I put in my body.

Smart man.

T-bol > Mass-Fx > Diesel Test

See above comment.

[simpledude]

I would choose mass fx out of those three... solely because i dont like the other two (but mass fx is a great product and stands out in the face of other like products anyways)

Just curious what don't you like about T-bol

[NO HYPE]

Just curious what don't you like about T-bol

Oh boy.

[Chaosvash]

T-bol and mass FX are both good, flip a coin? lol.

[SIRT1]

Just curious what don't you like about T-bol

Oh boy.

*grabs popcorn*

[MBSowards]

Just curious what don't you like about T-bol

My guess is he won't reply saying, "Thermolife makes it." but that is what he is thinking. It's not like TL and AX are good buddies.


Anyway, for the purpose of this thread: MassFX if you're bulking, T-Bol for a recomp and Diesel Test Hardcore is one of the three products you mentioned.

[kerplunk]

MassFX if you're bulking, T-Bol for a recomp and Diesel Test Hardcore is one of the three products you mentioned.

Curious as to what makes you say this?

[NO HYPE]

My guess is he won't reply saying, "Thermolife makes it." but that is what he is thinking. It's not like TL and AX are good buddies.

lol, right.

MassFX if you're bulking, T-Bol for a recomp

Could you possibly elaborate MB? Why would T-BOL not apply to both of these situations?

[mer-der-ah]

T-bol > Mass-Fx > Diesel Test

i second that...

[NO HYPE]

MassFX if you're bulking, T-Bol for a recomp

T-Bol and Hunger! Wow, I literally cannot stop eating on this stuff...very good bulking aid for those of you that have trouble getting in enough cals!

Makes sense. NO HYPE I believe posted a study on the Trib. Alatus and its hypoglycemic effects which may be playing a role here... increased test and better workouts also can affect this appetite increase.

Indian J Exp Biol. 2007 Sep;45(9):785-90.
El-Tantawy WH, Hassanin LA.
Drug Bioavailability Center, National Organization For Drug Control & Research,
P O 29 Dokki, Cairo, Egypt.
Hypoglycemic and hypolipidemic effects of alcoholic extract of Tribulus alatus in streptozotocin-induced diabetic rats: a comparative study with T. terrestris (Caltrop).

The extracts of both T. alatus and T. terrestris significantly decrease fasting glucose level in diabetic rats. After 4 and 6 hr, T. alatus extract showed significant reduction in glucose level as compared to T. terrestris. After 3 weeks of treatment with T. alatus extract, glucose level was significantly decreased to the normal level. Both the extracts also caused a significant decrease in the levels of glycosylated hemoglobin, total cholesterol, triglycerides and LDL-cholesterol. The percent of reduction in rats treated with T. alatus extract was significantly higher than that of the rats treated with T. terrestris. The results indicate that alcoholic extract of T. alatus possesses hypoglycemic activity in type-1 model of diabetes.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...70641&posted=1

[NO HYPE]

*grabs popcorn*

It must be yawn-flavored, much like the aforementioned negative opinion on T-BOL.

[SIRT1]

It must be yawn-flavored, like the aforementioned negative opinion on T-BOL.

lulz this show sucks im about to leave

[MBSowards]

Curious as to what makes you say this?

lol, right.

Could you possibly elaborate MB? Why would T-BOL not apply to both of these situations?

I really like Mass FX for bulking and T-Bol could/should be used for bulking as well, but I like using products with coleus forskohlii on a cut/recomp so I think it's a good product to recommend in those situations.

T-Bol is definitely a potentially powerful bulking agent...I guess I just like Mass FX and felt like I needed to recommend it be used at some point.

Can't go wrong with either of the two though. I wish I had been able to use T-Bol longer because I think I could have seen much better results...

Oh and how about that Diesel Test Hardcore?

[NO HYPE]

lulz this show sucks im about to leave

x 12 sucka.

[SIRT1]

Oh and how about that Diesel Test Hardcore?

Wheres chuck when you need him

[Guardian]

Where would you guys put activate extreme in the mix?

[NO HYPE]

Thanks for the response MB.

[MBSowards]

Wheres chuck when you need him

Formulating products.

Where would you guys put activate extreme in the mix?

1. T-Bol
1. MassFX
3. Activate Xtreme
?. Diesel Test Hardcore

Thanks for the response MB.

You know I love you.

[kerplunk]

I really like Mass FX for bulking and T-Bol could/should be used for bulking as well, but I like using products with coleus forskohlii on a cut/recomp so I think it's a good product to recommend in those situations.

T-Bol is definitely a potentially powerful bulking agent...I guess I just like Mass FX and felt like I needed to recommend it be used at some point.

Can't go wrong with either of the two though. I wish I had been able to use T-Bol longer because I think I could have seen much better results...

Oh and how about that Diesel Test Hardcore?

MassFx contains coleus forskohlii as well under the name Forslean.

[UNCnate]

Guys, lets not turn this into an AX vs TL debate. Im certain thats not the intentions the person had who asked the question.

I wont be taking part in it, as Im sure no one from AX well. So if the OP has any questions, fire away. We'll all be glad to answer it.

[NO HYPE]

Where would you guys put activate extreme in the mix?

That belongs in the [non-Tribulus alatus] category with the rest of em'. Great supplement nonetheless.

[SIRT1]

Formulating more prop blends

fixed