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    End of Bulk...Start of Cut...Pics of Before and After!

    Before...

    (Lightest Ive been 176ish)



    180ish here...





    AFTER - End of 4 month Bulk...220-225...Added roughly 40 Pounds - Havent tanned in like 2 weeks, and I for some reason used the natural white light coming from the window, instead of more flattering yellow light







    UnFlexed pic



    So went from 180-185 to 220-225...Everything went up obviously, I max bench 230-240 (Never tried a 1 rep Max benching), I can curl with one arm 70-75lbs (5 reps), Leg press about a 1000 lb's (5 reps)

    I did the 5x5 plan for the bulk of the bulk, no cardio, ate pretty much anything I wanted to, but still stuck to Whole Grains, no Corn Syrups, Baked Chips...I had some cheaty things when they were there, for B-days and Holidays, Drank booze ~every weekend

    The Comments I've gotten are:

    "Jesus Christ your huge" - from some of my bros friends, that havent seen me in a while
    "Holy ****!" - From my brothers GF, when she first saw my arms after a year of not seeing me
    "Are you taking steroids?" - from several people
    "are you like professionally bodybuilding or something?" - my friends GF

    I only used, Creatine and Whey, as my only supplements

    Girls love me muscles...but now its time to cut back down, hopefully able to get a 6 pack this time around

    Now my strategy is, im going to go back to Keto, eating higher Keto calories, but dropping the water and Glycogen weight, adding Cardio, then dropping calories after the 1st 3 weeks or so and probably dropping the creatine then as well, then continue to drop more calories as it goes on, and adding more cardio

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    Well, the bad news is that the body can only add 2-3 pounds of muscle per month naturally. This means that you added about 8-12 pounds of muscle and 28-32 pounds of fat. Then, you'll probably lose 3-4 pounds or more of the gained muscle while you lose those 30 pounds of fat for a net gain of 5-8 pounds of muscle over 7-8 months.

    I've made this mistake a couple times thinking I was getting huge, dieting back down, and realize I gained a fraction of what I expected. I thought I'd be up to my goal of 225 pounds at 8% by now. Hah, not even close! I train my tail off and eat heartily when I bulk and diet strictly when I cut. The key is to bulk slowly so you can bulk for a longer time before you have to cut.

    I know this isn't what you wanted to hear, but diet back down to a true 10% and see if you don't lose almost all of your gains.
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    For adding 40lbs...I didnt really add to much of a gut at all, the layer of fat on my stomach is only a little thicker now, my thigh fat is a bit more as well...My chest is alot bigger as are my arms, if It doesnt seem like I added that much fat to much stomach or thighs (the only places I really store fat)...then where did the 40lbs go? If I did add ~30lbs of fat, then i dont know where it went, because the minor layer of fat that was added to my stomach and legs does not equal up to 30lbs. My Younger brother whose 6'3"-4, weighs 230 and has a huge gut, im 3-4 inches shorter, 5-10lbs lighter and dont have a gut nearly his size....What I think could have possibly happened is this

    15lbs - water and glycogen (Carb loaded Diet with Creatine)
    10-12lbs muscle
    13-15lbs - fat
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    I honest to god wish you the best. I'm just saying that you can't gain more than 2-3, possibly 4 pounds at most per month (if you're getting newbie gains) of muscle.

    I can't imagine 15lbs of water and muscle glycogen. I'd say 3-5 pounds from creatine and maybe 3-4 pounds of water and muscle glycogen from the high carbs.

    Just prepare to lose a lot more weight than you expected when you cut and don't get discouraged.

    Also, even though you hold a lot of your fat in the belly and love handles (as I do as well), it does add all over your body evenly. If you gained most of the fat in those areas, you'll still have the equivalent of a month more dieting to lose it in the "other" places as well...assuming 6-8 pounds of fat gained in the "other" parts of your body.

    The simple fact is that you shouldn't even gain 40lbs in 4 months if you do a cycle let alone bulking naturally.
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    It seems tracking body fat during a bulk would be pretty standard wouldn't it? That way you can see how much you are gaining BF wise?..
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    Did your boxers keep falling down in all your photos?

    Way to go by the way.

    Your last photo you look a bit bloated... could just be my eyes. Are you taking creatine?
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    yea im taking creatine, it was my unflexed pic.... I've had girls say that I look 180ish

    then again most girls dont know what they're talking about, do they
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    Originally Posted by Starky1177 View Post
    yea im taking creatine, it was my unflexed pic.... I've had girls say that I look 180ish

    then again most girls dont know what they're talking about, do they
    nah, most people who don't hit the gym don't know what they're talking about, not just girls.

    good luck starky, i'm rootin for you and hope to see some awesome progress in the coming months with your cut!
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    You look good, nice bulk, lots of size and its mostly muscle
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    Oh lord ...(shakes head), good luck losing all the fat ya put on, you got fat, we cant stop laughing at your b4 and after pics.
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    whats funny about my Before pics?
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    You looked best when you were 180ish and if I looked something like that I would be happy.
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    Originally Posted by Starky1177 View Post
    yea im taking creatine, it was my unflexed pic.... I've had girls say that I look 180ish

    then again most girls dont know what they're talking about, do they
    .....

    Which form or crap, I mean creatine are you taking? Mono? If so, that's the worse one.
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    From what I can tell you added some good size on your shoulders, biceps, and decent size on your back (looking from the front at how much the latimus dorsi is sticking out from the side) and chest. Unfortunately, you did add quite a bit of fat around the mid section from the pics. I would say you still made good gains. Just slowly cut to minimize as much muscle loss as possible.
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    Lookin thick bro! Good luck with the cut, you're going to be a monster!
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    Originally Posted by Starky1177 View Post
    Before...

    (Lightest Ive been 176ish)



    180ish here...





    AFTER - End of 4 month Bulk...220-225...Added roughly 40 Pounds - Havent tanned in like 2 weeks, and I for some reason used the natural white light coming from the window, instead of more flattering yellow light







    UnFlexed pic



    So went from 180-185 to 220-225...Everything went up obviously, I max bench 230-240 (Never tried a 1 rep Max benching), I can curl with one arm 70-75lbs (5 reps), Leg press about a 1000 lb's (5 reps)

    I did the 5x5 plan for the bulk of the bulk, no cardio, ate pretty much anything I wanted to, but still stuck to Whole Grains, no Corn Syrups, Baked Chips...I had some cheaty things when they were there, for B-days and Holidays, Drank booze ~every weekend

    The Comments I've gotten are:

    "Jesus Christ your huge" - from some of my bros friends, that havent seen me in a while
    "Holy ****!" - From my brothers GF, when she first saw my arms after a year of not seeing me
    "Are you taking steroids?" - from several people
    "are you like professionally bodybuilding or something?" - my friends GF

    I only used, Creatine and Whey, as my only supplements

    Girls love me muscles...but now its time to cut back down, hopefully able to get a 6 pack this time around

    Now my strategy is, im going to go back to Keto, eating higher Keto calories, but dropping the water and Glycogen weight, adding Cardio, then dropping calories after the 1st 3 weeks or so and probably dropping the creatine then as well, then continue to drop more calories as it goes on, and adding more cardio

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    dude you got fat, definately put on some muscle but not the most successful bulk ive seen, 180 weight was way better and its good your starting a cut now because it will take from now till summer to lose the fat you smashed on...what was your diet/cal totals and did you dirty bulk it up ? no hate just sayin...truth should be heard
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    To be fair heres a unflexed pic of me when when I was 180ish



    Now of course I gained some fat, but I thought that was a given when you bulk, I didnt start having the lil love handles untill I was about 210lb's...Dirtier bulk = didnt count cals....For being 40lbs heavier, you can hardly notice in clothes (cept that my chest and arms are almost about rip apart every shirt I own)....and comparatively to all the people I know who are 220-230 (my dad and younger brother)...I look a helluva alot better...Hopefully the excess fat gains should be the easiest to come off
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    Originally Posted by Starky1177 View Post
    To be fair heres a unflexed pic of me when when I was 180ish



    Now of course I gained some fat, but I thought that was a given when you bulk, I didnt start having the lil love handles untill I was about 210lb's...Dirtier bulk = didnt count cals....For being 40lbs heavier, you can hardly notice in clothes (cept that my chest and arms are almost about rip apart every shirt I own)....and comparatively to all the people I know who are 220-230 (my dad and younger brother)...I look a helluva alot better...Hopefully the excess fat gains should be the easiest to come off
    how can you not count cals on any sort of regime? not neccessary every day but did you atleast ball park it somewhat...40 lbs in 4 months is a **** tonne of fat, some muscle of course but you wouldve been better starting at 180 with a diet 200-300 over maintenance and gone up from there lifting your bag off till summer you wouldve been happier i think and couldve skipped the fat gain/tough time losing it with a solid culk plan, just sayin..and yes culk...it is something that works....and why compare yourself to your dad and younger brother? if you are the one on here and hittin the weights it should be a given your more muscular why dont you compare yourself to other lifters at your size and height and you would realize that what you did isnt overly impressive...im not tryin to hate or bag you out to bad..just wondering if you did your research before eating the crazy amount of food without the workload to match?
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    Yeah dude, you got big but you put on a lot of fat. 40 lbs in 4 months is more fat than muscle. You gained per week what most guys aim to gain per month. I also don't feel you gain any additional muscle overshooting your calories like you did. Had you have gained half that much weight I bet you would look twice as good right now. Whats done is done though. You will still look fine after you cut but you'll just have to cut much longer.
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    Originally Posted by rbmorrison View Post
    strong 4 year bump.......
    I never notice these resurrected threads until after I post... lol
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    Originally Posted by vismal View Post
    I never notice these resurrected threads until after I post... lol
    Exactly. I get trolled often.
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