How much does lat pull down carry over to chin ups and vice versa?

[Kooobe]

If you can chin up bodyweight does that mean you can lat pulldown with supine grip the same weight?

[Antz1980]

So u want to know ratio of lat pulldown to BW pullups?

[buffgrk]

just do them both and don't worry about the little things, thinking like this will lessen the progress.. trust me

[Kooobe]

So u want to know ratio of lat pulldown to BW pullups?

Preferably chin ups because I do underhand lat pulldown but it doesn't really matter I guess

[Dave P]

They don't carry over at all really.

[JoeyDaFool]

i don't think it's possible to lat pulldown more than your bodyweight. how the hell would you be able to sit down

[Phil2009]

Why do people always want to know the ratios?? There are no set in stone ratios and it means nothing to know it anyway.

i don't think it's possible to lat pulldown more than your bodyweight. how the hell would you be able to sit down

The leg pads that your thighs go under?

[JoeyDaFool]

The leg pads that your thighs go under?

did you try it?

[Nick1971]

I've seen some people "seatbelt" themselves down at the lat pulldown station.

[Leyton Stone_old]

If you can chin up bodyweight does that mean you can lat pulldown with supine grip the same weight?

Roughly the same, in my case anyway. Last week I did 6 bodyweight pull ups. Today I did 7 pulldowns with the equivelent of my bodyweight. I used the same grip and used strict form for both exercises.

[Power_11]

i don't think it's possible to lat pulldown more than your bodyweight. how the hell would you be able to sit down

I'm not even strong and I close grip pulldown 10kg over my body weight for reps when I do that exercise. The leg pags definetely help or else I'd be screwed! sometimes before a set I will grab the handles and go to pull it down and pull myself up and have to readjust my legs.

[spirit3530]

it depends on how strict you do your pulldowns. If you a are a "jerker" then it doesn't . If you pull and hold briefly in the contracted position and control it then your lats will get stronger. Although no substitue for doing actually chins. BTW if you care about how may chins you can do vs getting bigger lats then don't do pulldowns.

[SquatTilYouDrop]

I don't think there is much correlation.

They seem similar on the surface but are bio-mechanically different exercises. Pulldowns require keeping your body static and pulling a weight towards it and chins require moving your body dynamically towards a fixed target.

I've never noticed one to help bring the others numbers up. For pure lat development/size lat pulldowns "may be" better. For functional strength chins are better.

[nostan]

I've seen some people "seatbelt" themselves down at the lat pulldown station.

I work out at home and my lat pulldown does not have pegs to hold you down, so I have to put a loaded EZ bar accross my upper legs. Not quite a seatbelt but it works fine IMO.

[Leyton Stone_old]

I work out at home and my lat pulldown does not have pegs to hold you down, so I have to put a loaded EZ bar accross my upper legs. Not quite a seatbelt but it works fine IMO.

I have the same problem. To work around it I attach a single-arm cable attachment and do one-arm pulldowns. Works for me.

[jblaisuri]

pulldowns=lats with some bis
chinups=bis with some lats

[APA Lifter]

I don't think there is much correlation.

Bingo. If you want to find out, do them. Than you will know.

[DJAuto]

There is significant carryover for those who cannot perform a BW pull on their own. After that, carryover diminishes.

[CaptainGorgeous]

pulldowns=lats with some bis
chinups=bis with some lats

what?

[Defiant1]

This will make a good addition to the coming "exercise strength ratio" section, which will surpass all others in popularity.


Hopefully, a chart will be created that will enable one to know any weight used for any exercise for any amount of reps, based on the input of the performance of 1 set of a single exercise.

This way, people will be able to brag about their 400lb squat based on their 600lb leg press, and their 315lb Bench press based on their 60lb pec dec flye.

[crupiea]

People ask this question so they dont have to do pullups.

Just do them.

[squat4speed]

meh, just do both

[Baadboy11]

pulldowns=lats with some bis
chinups=bis with some lats

Its true!

[jblaisuri]

what?

pulldowns (and by extension, pullups) use your lats mainly with bi's assisting
chinups use your bis with lats asissting

chinups will add thickness, but for most people will not make your lats much wider, whereas pullups will.

[CaptainGorgeous]

pulldowns (and by extension, pullups) use your lats mainly with bi's assisting
chinups use your bis with lats asissting

chinups will add thickness, but for most people will not make your lats much wider, whereas pullups will.

I disagree. When doing chins, how do you think your humerus is pulled to your side? Are you saying that elbow flexion is the prime mover here?

[jblaisuri]

your humerus is pulled to your side in the second half of the movement. the majority of stress is placed on your biceps. yeah, your humerus gets pulled down, which is why your lats are INVOLVED, but chinups are not the BW exercise of choice for back development.

[CaptainGorgeous]

your humerus is pulled to your side in the second half of the movement. the majority of stress is placed on your biceps. yeah, your humerus gets pulled down, which is why your lats are INVOLVED, but chinups are not the BW exercise of choice for back development.

What?

[jblaisuri]

...are you functionally retarded?

chinups work bis more than lats. pullups are better for lats.

/explanation

[HowLeTT]

There's variance from machine to machine & different gyms anyway. In some places you might be doing 3 sets of pulldowns @150 and at another station in the same gym on a different station you might be doing sets @190. It really doesn't matter in the long run, although I know a lot of people who can't do a BW pullup use their pulldown numbers for motivation in the quest to do some pullups.

[APA Lifter]

...are you functionally retarded?

chinups work bis more than lats. pullups are better for lats.

/explanation

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