Dr. Hamid Dabshi on Israel

[GoateMass]

"What they call "Israel" is no mere military state. A subsumed militarism, a systemic mendacity with an ingrained violence constitutional to the very fusion of its fabric, has penetrated the deepest corners of what these people have to call their "soul." What the Israelis are doing to Palestinians has a mirror reflection on their own soul -- sullied, vacated, exiled, now occupied by a military machinery no longer plugged to any electrical outlet. It is not just the Palestinian land that they have occupied; their own soul is an occupied territory, occupied by a mechanical force geared on self-destruction. They are on automatic piloting. This is they. No one is controlling anything. Half a century of systematic maiming and murdering of another people has left its deep marks on the faces of these people, the way they talk, the way they walk, the way they handle objects, the way they greet each other, the way they look at the world. There is an endemic prevarication to this machinery, a vulgarity of character that is bone-deep and structural to the skeletal vertebrae of its culture. No people can perpetrate what these people and their parents and grandparents have perpetrated on Palestinians and remain immune to the cruelty of their own deeds."

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2004/709/cu12.htm

[Steak_n_Taters]

We get it man. You think Israel is ****, and will defend any Muslim they attack to the last breath, regardless of what has happened.

[GoateMass]

You percive not anything.

[1devil]

Originally Posted by GoateMass

You percive not anything.

The Hamas philosophy us the same as the US neocon philosophy. It's narrow minded, short sighted, promotes violence as the solution to everything, and is driven by fundamentalist religious beliefs. If you support Hamas , then you by default are a supporter of GW and his cronies.

[Dirk Diggler]

Originally Posted by 1devil

The Hamas philosophy us the same as the US neocon philosophy. It's narrow minded, short sighted, promotes violence as the solution to everything, and is driven by fundamentalist religious beliefs. If you support Hamas , then you by default are a supporter of GW and his cronies.

I thought Neoconservatism was founded by a Jewish person.

[Dunhill]

Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler

I thought Neoconservatism was founded by a Jewish person.

Irving Kristol (born January 22, 1920) is an American political philosopher considered the founder of American neoconservatism...Kristol was born in Brooklyn, New York of Jewish immigrants from the Ukraine. He received his B.A. from the City

[1devil]

Originally Posted by Dunhill

Irving Kristol (born January 22, 1920) is an American political philosopher considered the founder of American neoconservatism...Kristol was born in Brooklyn, New York of Jewish immigrants from the Ukraine. He received his B.A. from the City

There are plenty of Jewish and Christian neocons. They are all idiots.

[Fanatik]

I'm sure Dr. Hamid Dabshi is giving non biased perspective

[Dunhill]

Originally Posted by 1devil

There are plenty of Jewish and Christian neocons. They are all idiots.

Just because someone doesn't share your views, does not make them an idiot. You remind me of a child calling his parents "poo poo head" because they deprive him of candy.

[Steak_n_Taters]

Originally Posted by GoateMass

You percive not anything.

Ah yes, while you are all knowing

[1devil]

Originally Posted by Dunhill

Just because someone doesn't share your views, does not make them an idiot. You remind me of a child calling his parents "poo poo head" because they deprive him of candy.

The neocons, Christian Zionists, Muslim fundamentalists (Hamas, Hezbollah etc), Jewish extremists (settler movement) are all idiots. They have brought a **** storm to the region that could have been prevented. Meanwhile people take up sides like this is a sporting event.

I could really care less what you think of me. The facts speak for themselves.

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by 1devil

There are plenty of Jewish and Christian neocons. They are all idiots.

Hell, you've already got the idiot part down so why not join up?

[1devil]

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

Hell, you've already got the idiot part down so why not join up?

Feel free to dispute my point. It's actually amusing that all you have to resort to is a personal attack.

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by 1devil

Feel free to dispute my point. It's actually amusing that all you have to resort to is a personal attack.

Try paying attention genius. You start by claiming "all neocons are idiots", and then claim all I have to resort to is a personal attack. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Apparently they can't be idiots if they're the ones running things, and you're the one on here bitching about them, but are ineffectual in getting anything accomplished yourself. Good job. Not only are you intellectually on par with a brick, but you have the same competence in action as one.

[1devil]

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

Try paying attention genius. You start by claiming "all neocons are idiots", and then claim all I have to resort to is a personal attack. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Apparently they can't be idiots if they're the ones running things, and you're the one on here bitching about them, but are ineffectual in getting anything accomplished yourself. Good job. Not only are you intellectually on par with a brick, but you have the same competence in action as one.

Oh more insults, how insightful of you. Yeah the neocons are a pack of incompetent idiots. They along with the various Muslim extremists, Jewish extremists etc have done a bang up job in the ME region. It's laughable to me that people support neocons on the one hand and demonize what essentially amount to their muslim counterparts. I also laugh at the new left in this country that supports groups like hamas while demonizing the neocons.

News flash people they are all essentially the same .

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by 1devil

Oh more insults, how insightful of you. Yeah the neocons are a pack of incompetent idiots. They along with the various Muslim extremists, Jewish extremists etc have done a bang up job in the ME region. It's laughable to me that people support neocons on the one hand and demonize what essentially amount to their muslim counterparts. I also laugh at the new left in this country that supports groups like hamas while demonizing the neocons.

News flash people they are all essentially the same .

It's nice how all of the presumably enlightened, competent people are the ones never getting anything done. They'd rather just sit there, and do nothing while resting on their laurels. I guess you can't realize that to seize the moment one can't be an idiot, and to be running things at all you can't be incompetent.

Good job, you are from here onward known as Brick in honor of your intellectual superiority and excellence in competence.

[1devil]

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

It's nice how all of the presumably enlightened, competent people are the ones never getting anything done. They'd rather just sit there, and do nothing while resting on their laurels. I guess you can't realize that to seize the moment one can't be an idiot, and to be running things at all you can't be incompetent.

Good job, you are from here onward known as Brick in honor of your intellectual superiority and excellence in competence.

I'm still waiting for you to actually counter my points. I realize it's easier to simply recycle tired insults, but that does not provide a response to my points.

[Dunhill]

Just want to help visualize.

[1devil]

Originally Posted by Dunhill

Just want to help visualize.

Yawn

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by 1devil

I'm still waiting for you to actually counter my points. I realize it's easier to simply recycle tired insults, but that does not provide a response to my points.

Bricks can't read either, so here you go, again. Pull someone over to the computer to explain it to you in case the complexity of a single sentence is overbearing:

I guess you can't realize that to seize the moment one can't be an idiot, and to be running things at all you can't be incompetent.

Let's not even mention the absurdity of absolutes in the first place (all <group of people> are <adjective>).

Oh yeah, and claiming they're idiots because their attempts haven't worked in the M.E. falls short as well, because a workable solution is unknown. Now, to claim a solution is known would be idiocy only Brick could produce.

[1devil]

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

Bricks can't read either, so here you go, again. Pull someone over to the computer to explain it to you in case the complexity of a single sentence is overbearing:



Let's not even mention the absurdity of absolutes in the first place (all <group of people> are <adjective>).

Oh yeah, and claiming they're idiots because their attempts haven't worked in the M.E. falls short as well, because a workable solution is unknown. Now, to claim a solution is known would be idiocy only Brick could produce.

I was speaking of the neocons in terms of the ME policy. The end. Adress my points or stfu.

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by 1devil

I was speaking of the neocons in terms of the ME policy. The end. Adress my points or stfu.

Brick's reading skills are unimpressive, or more accurately brick-like:

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

Oh yeah, and claiming they're idiots because their attempts haven't worked in the M.E. falls short as well, because a workable solution is unknown. Now, to claim a solution is known would be idiocy only Brick could produce.

[1devil]

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

Brick's reading is unimpressive:

Don't need to claim a solution to point out the complete failure of another solution.

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by 1devil

Don't need to claim a solution to point out the complete failure of another solution.

If there's no solution than one attempt is no more idiotic than another, Brick.

[1devil]

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

If there's no solution than one attempt is no more idiotic than another, Brick.

Oh boy. You are sitting on the deck of a sinking ship acting indignant because I dare to question a failed policy. This is comedy of the absurd at it's very best. The Us has new leadership wjhich i voted for. If their solutions fail I will be the first one to express my opinion on the matter.

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by 1devil

Oh boy. You are sitting on the deck of a sinking ship acting indignant because I dare to question a failed policy. This is comedy of the absurd at it's very best. The Us has new leadership wjhich i voted for. If their solutions fail I will be the first one to express my opinion on the matter.

LOL

If all possible policies are failures, then one can't be more idiotic than the other. They'd all be of neutral value in intelligence/idiocy.

If a solution does exist (and you're not claiming one), then it'd be different.

I think the picture of a brick found above would have done better in presenting an argument than you, Brick.

[1devil]

Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen

LOL

If all possible policies are failures, then one can't be more idiotic than the other. They'd all be of neutral value in intelligence/idiocy.

If a solution does exist (and you're not claiming one), then it'd be different.

I think the picture of a brick found above would have done better in presenting an argument than you, Brick.

Yawn. I'm growing tired of your frantic little rants. For the last time I correctly pegged the neocon Me policy as a complete failure. You shouting looks it's a green camel makes you appear to be little more than a low budget moron

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by 1devil

Yawn. I'm growing tired of your frantic little rants. For the last time I correctly pegged the neocon Me policy as a complete failure. You shouting looks it's a green camel makes you appear to be little more than a low budget moron

Wow, a Brick can hit water if it falls out of a boat.

When all possible policies are failures, and you peg one as a failure, that makes you redundant. However, a failed policy when all possible solutions fail is not idiotic, because the intelligence/idiocy of it is neutral to all other possibilities.

You need to do a better job presenting your arguments, because they're ridiculously soft. See the above picture of a brick for help constructing a more solid argument.

[Quest.]

[KhanPaulsen]

Originally Posted by Quest.

LMAO