i was just wonder does any ever look at the pictures and try to guess what bodytype that pros has i would like to know what you guy think these are my guesses and reasons
ronnie coleman: 85% meso+15%endo. bescause ronnie can gain a massive amount of weight as much as 320 in the offseason he has to aleast be alittle bit of an endo
victor martinez: 100% meso. reason even in the offseason this guy looks decent and never carries to much fat. good muscle bellies and meso like frame
jay cutler: 70%meso+30%endo. this guy carries alot of muscle just like meso, but if you catch him in the off season he is definitely a doe-boy. you can see it in his face, he has endo characteristics, and hold alot of pure mass like an endo and has a hard like getting really lean which is a trait endomorphs suffer from. but can gain muscle with the best of them
Phil heath: 80%meso+20%endo: this is a great combo, he doesnt have the best structure like a pure meso would demonstrait like width and a natural v-taper, but he does have small joints and round muscle bellies, this is a shared characteristic of endomorphs, because heath doest have a very small waist like a dex or a wheeler, but he makes up for it with his abilities to gain muscle and mass better then the two i just mentioned, while almost being able to obtain the same conditioning. because of his small bones and joint he looks 5 to 20 pounds bigger then what he actually is which is plus.
i was just wonder does any ever look at the pictures and try to guess what bodytype that pros has i would like to know what you guy think these are my guesses and reasons
ronnie coleman: 85% meso+15%endo. bescause ronnie can gain a massive amount of weight as much as 320 in the offseason he has to aleast be alittle bit of an endo
victor martinez: 100% meso. reason even in the offseason this guy looks decent and never carries to much fat. good muscle bellies and meso like frame
jay cutler: 70%meso+30%endo. this guy carries alot of muscle just like meso, but if you catch him in the off season he is definitely a doe-boy. you can see it in his face, he has endo characteristics, and hold alot of pure mass like an endo and has a hard like getting really lean which is a trait endomorphs suffer from. but can gain muscle with the best of them
Phil heath: 80%meso+20%endo: this is a great combo, he doesnt have the best structure like a pure meso would demonstrait like width and a natural v-taper, but he does have small joints and round muscle bellies, this is a shared characteristic of endomorphs, because heath doest have a very small waist like a dex or a wheeler, but he makes up for it with his abilities to gain muscle and mass better then the two i just mentioned, while almost being able to obtain the same conditioning. because of his small bones and joint he looks 5 to 20 pounds bigger then what he actually is which is plus.
Ronnie has a small amount of Ecto in him. 15% Eco, 85 Meso
I would say Phil heath is 95% + meso, he has short joints and fuller muscle bellies than anyone but Lee Priest.
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Originally Posted by FullROM
I dont know where I got the figures from but they sounded good when i was typing them....lol
haha...good on ya bro
anyhow people like dexter, david henry, and prob heath are blessed with those natrally lean and muscular bodies.im nt too sure what grouping they come into..i think its ecto or meso
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i was just wonder does any ever look at the pictures and try to guess what bodytype that pros has i would like to know what you guy think these are my guesses and reasons
ronnie coleman: 85% meso+15%endo. bescause ronnie can gain a massive amount of weight as much as 320 in the offseason he has to aleast be alittle bit of an endo
victor martinez: 100% meso. reason even in the offseason this guy looks decent and never carries to much fat. good muscle bellies and meso like frame
jay cutler: 70%meso+30%endo. this guy carries alot of muscle just like meso, but if you catch him in the off season he is definitely a doe-boy. you can see it in his face, he has endo characteristics, and hold alot of pure mass like an endo and has a hard like getting really lean which is a trait endomorphs suffer from. but can gain muscle with the best of them
Phil heath: 80%meso+20%endo: this is a great combo, he doesnt have the best structure like a pure meso would demonstrait like width and a natural v-taper, but he does have small joints and round muscle bellies, this is a shared characteristic of endomorphs, because heath doest have a very small waist like a dex or a wheeler, but he makes up for it with his abilities to gain muscle and mass better then the two i just mentioned, while almost being able to obtain the same conditioning. because of his small bones and joint he looks 5 to 20 pounds bigger then what he actually is which is plus.
Ronnie has a lot of ecto in him. Look at his early childhood pics all the way up to the years before he turned pro. Small joints, always lean, fairly narrow.
i was just wonder does any ever look at the pictures and try to guess what bodytype that pros has i would like to know what you guy think these are my guesses and reasons
ronnie coleman: 85% meso+15%endo. bescause ronnie can gain a massive amount of weight as much as 320 in the offseason he has to aleast be alittle bit of an endo
victor martinez: 100% meso. reason even in the offseason this guy looks decent and never carries to much fat. good muscle bellies and meso like frame
jay cutler: 70%meso+30%endo. this guy carries alot of muscle just like meso, but if you catch him in the off season he is definitely a doe-boy. you can see it in his face, he has endo characteristics, and hold alot of pure mass like an endo and has a hard like getting really lean which is a trait endomorphs suffer from. but can gain muscle with the best of them
Phil heath: 80%meso+20%endo: this is a great combo, he doesnt have the best structure like a pure meso would demonstrait like width and a natural v-taper, but he does have small joints and round muscle bellies, this is a shared characteristic of endomorphs, because heath doest have a very small waist like a dex or a wheeler, but he makes up for it with his abilities to gain muscle and mass better then the two i just mentioned, while almost being able to obtain the same conditioning. because of his small bones and joint he looks 5 to 20 pounds bigger then what he actually is which is plus.
Ronnie has a lot of ecto in him. Look at his early childhood pics all the way up to the years before he turned pro. Small joints, always lean, fairly narrow.
You mean he DID have alot of ecto in him. Its not like it never goes away, the whole point of BB is to change your body type. If youre an ecto and gain 100lbs of muscle youre no longer any bit ecto, even if you were pure ecto when you started.
You mean he DID have alot of ecto in him. Its not like it never goes away, the whole point of BB is to change your body type. If youre an ecto and gain 100lbs of muscle youre no longer any bit ecto, even if you were pure ecto when you started.
your still an an ecto. Gaining 100lbs of muscle didn't exactly slow your metabolism or do wonders for your cns. Anyway, most bodytyping is BS and bro-science when speaking outside of very general terms.
For example the OP says ronnie is an endo since he can get up to 320 in the offseason. Ronnie weighs 280 in contest shape 320 is only like 15% bodyfat, tops, since he will hold ALOT more water than the average guy too. He also loved barbacue sauce and had a naturally narrow frame with small joints, if anything he's ectomorphically inclined.
your still an an ecto. Gaining 100lbs of muscle didn't exactly slow your metabolism or do wonders for your cns. Anyway, most bodytyping is BS and bro-science when speaking outside of very general terms.
For example the OP says ronnie is an endo since he can get up to 320 in the offseason. Ronnie weighs 280 in contest shape 320 is only like 15% bodyfat, tops, since he will hold ALOT more water than the average guy too. He also loved barbacue sauce and had a naturally narrow frame with small joints, if anything he's ectomorphically inclined.
Not according to arnolds encyclopedia, thats not how it works.
But according to the ghuru's dinnis wolf is gonna come in the 15% better than last year, so dexter needs to be atleast 9.7% better...although we all know bodybuilders are 10% drugs, 70% diet, 15% training, and 15%genetics so were probably 100% correct 10% of the time he'll win the olympia in 2009...
if he comes in anywhere close to 100% of course.....
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Originally Posted by chan_ho_nam
Ronnie has a lot of ecto in him. Look at his early childhood pics all the way up to the years before he turned pro. Small joints, always lean, fairly narrow.
Where you start is NOT indicative of your bodytype. Your GAINS and general structure and muscle bellies are evidence of it.
Ronnie is pure meso. joints that are small compared to his full muscle bellies and though he gets heavy he also came in ripped and in the offseason would still be crazy vascular. Endos also tend to be a bit blocky (ectos can be blocky but narrow). Ronnie was big but not blocky, had good proportions (minus the gut in his later career) and generally came into contests shredded.
Pure meso as far as I'm concerned.
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Where you start is NOT indicative of your bodytype. Your GAINS and general structure and muscle bellies are evidence of it.
Ronnie is pure meso. joints that are small compared to his full muscle bellies and though he gets heavy he also came in ripped and in the offseason would still be crazy vascular. Endos also tend to be a bit blocky (ectos can be blocky but narrow). Ronnie was big but not blocky, had good proportions (minus the gut in his later career) and generally came into contests shredded.
Where you start is NOT indicative of your bodytype. Your GAINS and general structure and muscle bellies are evidence of it.
Ronnie is pure meso. joints that are small compared to his full muscle bellies and though he gets heavy he also came in ripped and in the offseason would still be crazy vascular. Endos also tend to be a bit blocky (ectos can be blocky but narrow). Ronnie was big but not blocky, had good proportions (minus the gut in his later career) and generally came into contests shredded.
Pure meso as far as I'm concerned.
Uh, its definitely a good place to start. Looking at how they looked naturally before the drugs and excersise is a great way to tell their natural structure. No his joints are small period, look at his wrists compared to a Dorian, or a Nasser or Jay.
The fact that Ronnie was able to come in conditioned, and in extreme condition later in his career is a good sign that he's naturally a lean person, ie. ecto.
Look at him in his high school pictures, lookes more ecto than meso to me. IMO the best representation of a meso is Mentzer, and Ronnie is definitely not like a Mentzer.
Uh, its definitely a good place to start. Looking at how they looked naturally before the drugs and excersise is a great way to tell their natural structure. No his joints are small period, look at his wrists compared to a Dorian, or a Nasser or Jay.
The fact that Ronnie was able to come in conditioned, and in extreme condition later in his career is a good sign that he's naturally a lean person, ie. ecto.
Look at him in his high school pictures, lookes more ecto than meso to me. IMO the best representation of a meso is Mentzer, and Ronnie is definitely not like a Mentzer.
Agreed. I said it before. The reason Ronnie looks bigger than your average meso ecto is because he was typically 20-30lbs heavier than the nearest Meso.
Ronnie 280
Vic 250
IF Vic and ronnie were the same perenctage size/weight Vic' would dwarf him.
Futhermore I believe bodtypes are more structural types versus "shape"
Bones
large
meduim
small
limb length in comparsion to body
long
average
short
ribcage
wide
meduim
narrow
torso length
long
meduim
short
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Originally Posted by chan_ho_nam
Uh, its definitely a good place to start. Looking at how they looked naturally before the drugs and excersise is a great way to tell their natural structure. No his joints are small period, look at his wrists compared to a Dorian, or a Nasser or Jay.
The fact that Ronnie was able to come in conditioned, and in extreme condition later in his career is a good sign that he's naturally a lean person, ie. ecto.
Look at him in his high school pictures, lookes more ecto than meso to me. IMO the best representation of a meso is Mentzer, and Ronnie is definitely not like a Mentzer.
Maybe before drugs, but NOT before proper diet and exercise. Your bodytype determines how well you respond to training and diet as well.
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Maybe before drugs, but NOT before proper diet and exercise. Your bodytype determines how well you respond to training and diet as well.
So you don't train or diet which one? <serious>
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