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    When we pass away are we judged then to go to heaven or hell or do we wait.

    Do we wait until judgement day?
    Do only a select view enter heaven when they pass away or not?
    Do most wait until judgement day to see where they will go for enternity?

    How is it in the catholic/Christian view?
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    catholics believe in purgatory
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    Originally Posted by Slu View Post
    catholics believe in purgatory
    But where do we go when we die are we judged or do we wait until judgement day?(maybe a select few, the great ones go to heaven?)
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    Originally Posted by aidsman2003 View Post
    But where do we go when we die are we judged or do we wait until judgement day?(maybe a select few, the great ones go to heaven?)
    Everyone, dead or alive, will receive judgement on that day.

    If you have accepted Christ as your savior and died before judgement day you will still go to be with Him. But you will still be judged on that day.

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    Originally Posted by aidsman2003 View Post
    Do we wait until judgement day?
    Do only a select view enter heaven when they pass away or not?
    Do most wait until judgement day to see where they will go for enternity?

    How is it in the catholic/Christian view?
    Well according to the Bible the body is dead and nothing happens to you until judgment day when everyone is resurrected and then you are judged according to your works.
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    We are worthless masses of cells, which rot away. There is no wonderful place waiting to reward you. There is no hell waiting to punish you for being an ******* because your existance is of no importance or value, no one cares except other worthless individuals who you've formed bonds with, nothing is looking down on your sorry insignificant ass. You are a worthless piece of nothing. Good day sir.
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    Originally Posted by FullSack View Post
    We are worthless masses of cells, which rot away. There is no wonderful place waiting to reward you. There is no hell waiting to punish you for being an ******* because your existance is of no importance or value, no one cares except other worthless individuals who you've formed bonds with, nothing is looking down on your sorry insignificant ass. You are a worthless piece of nothing. Good day sir.
    great way to look at it lol
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    Originally Posted by FullSack View Post
    We are worthless masses of cells, which rot away. There is no wonderful place waiting to reward you. There is no hell waiting to punish you for being an ******* because your existance is of no importance or value, no one cares except other worthless individuals who you've formed bonds with, nothing is looking down on your sorry insignificant ass. You are a worthless piece of nothing. Good day sir.
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    Originally Posted by FullSack View Post
    We are worthless masses of cells, which rot away. There is no wonderful place waiting to reward you. There is no hell waiting to punish you for being an ******* because your existance is of no importance or value, no one cares except other worthless individuals who you've formed bonds with, nothing is looking down on your sorry insignificant ass. You are a worthless piece of nothing. Good day sir.
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    Originally Posted by aidsman2003 View Post
    But where do we go when we die are we judged or do we wait until judgement day?(maybe a select few, the great ones go to heaven?)
    Good question. There is the belief that when you die, you go to either Heaven or Hell. But the view of the Resurrection is that you come back to this life to be judged......again? What would be the purpose of a physical resurrection? But it makes a lot of sense if you interpret the Day of Judgment and Resurrection in spiritual terms. The Day of Judgment in the Baha'i view (if you don't mind) is when the Promised One returns: He will resurrect people from their spiritual deaths with the life-giving waters of His new Message.

    Do you mind a Baha'i view? (Sorry for the long quotes below, but I hope they are helpful.) This is what happens after you die according to this view:

    "It is clear and evident that all men shall, after their physical death, estimate the worth of their deeds, and realize all that their hands have wrought. I swear by the Day Star that shineth above the horizon of Divine power! They that are the followers of the one true God shall, the moment they depart out of this life, experience such joy and gladness as would be impossible to describe, while they that live in error shall be seized with such fear and trembling, and shall be filled with such consternation, as nothing can exceed. Well is it with him that hath quaffed the choice and incorruptible wine of faith through the gracious favor and the manifold bounties of Him Who is the Lord of all Faiths...." (Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 171)

    And:

    "And now concerning thy question regarding the soul of man and its survival after death. Know thou of a truth that the soul, after its separation from the body, will continue to progress until it attaineth the presence of God, in a state and condition which neither the revolution of ages and centuries, nor the changes and chances of this world, can alter. It will endure as long as the Kingdom of God, His sovereignty, His dominion and power will endure. It will manifest the signs of God and His attributes, and will reveal His loving kindness and bounty. The movement of My Pen is stilled when it attempteth to befittingly describe the loftiness and glory of so exalted a station. The honor with which the Hand of Mercy will invest the soul is such as no tongue can adequately reveal, nor any other earthly agency describe. Blessed is the soul which, at the hour of its separation from the body, is sanctified from the vain imaginings of the peoples of the world. Such a soul liveth and moveth in accordance with the Will of its Creator, and entereth the all-highest Paradise. The Maids of Heaven, inmates of the loftiest mansions, will circle around it, and the Prophets of God and His chosen ones will seek its companionship. With them that soul will freely converse, and will recount unto them that which it hath been made to endure in the path of God, the Lord of all worlds. If any man be told that which hath been ordained for such a soul in the worlds of God, the Lord of the throne on high and of earth below, his whole being will instantly blaze out in his great longing to attain that most exalted, that sanctified and resplendent station.... The nature of the soul after death can never be described, nor is it meet and permissible to reveal its whole character to the eyes of men. The Prophets and Messengers of God have been sent down for the sole purpose of guiding mankind to the straight Path of Truth. The purpose underlying Their revelation hath been to educate all men, that they may, at the hour of death, ascend, in the utmost purity and sanctity and with absolute detachment, to the throne of the Most High. The light which these souls radiate is responsible for the progress of the world and the advancement of its peoples. They are like unto leaven which leaveneth the world of being, and constitute the animating force through which the arts and wonders of the world are made manifest. Through them the clouds rain their bounty upon men, and the earth bringeth forth its fruits. All things must needs have a cause, a motive power, an animating principle. These souls and symbols of detachment have provided, and will continue to provide, the supreme moving impulse in the world of being. The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation. Such an existence is a contingent and not an absolute existence, inasmuch as the former is preceded by a cause, whilst the latter is independent thereof. Absolute existence is strictly confined to God, exalted be His glory. Well is it with them that apprehend this truth. Wert thou to ponder in thine heart the behavior of the Prophets of God thou wouldst assuredly and readily testify that there must needs be other worlds besides this world. The majority of the truly wise and learned have, throughout the ages, as it hath been recorded by the Pen of Glory in the Tablet of Wisdom, borne witness to the truth of that which the holy Writ of God hath revealed. Even the materialists have testified in their writings to the wisdom of these divinely-appointed Messengers, and have regarded the references made by the Prophets to Paradise, to hell fire, to future reward and punishment, to have been actuated by a desire to educate and uplift the souls of men. Consider, therefore, how the generality of mankind, whatever their beliefs or theories, have recognized the excellence, and admitted the superiority, of these Prophets of God. These Gems of Detachment are acclaimed by some as the embodiments of wisdom, while others believe them to be the mouthpiece of God Himself. How could such Souls have consented to surrender themselves unto their enemies if they believed all the worlds of God to have been reduced to this earthly life? Would they have willingly suffered such afflictions and torments as no man hath ever experienced or witnessed?" (Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, pp. 151-58)

    And:

    "Thou hast, moreover, asked Me concerning the state of the soul after its separation from the body. Know thou, of a truth, that if the soul of man hath walked in the ways of God, it will, assuredly, return and be gathered to the glory of the Beloved. By the righteousness of God! It shall attain a station such as no pen can depict, or tongue describe. The soul that hath remained faithful to the Cause of God, and stood unwaveringly firm in His Path shall, after his ascension, be possessed of such power that all the worlds which the Almighty hath created can benefit through him. Such a soul provideth, at the bidding of the Ideal King and Divine Educator, the pure leaven that leaveneth the world of being, and furnisheth the power through which the arts and wonders of the world are made manifest. Consider how meal needeth leaven to be leavened with. Those souls that are the symbols of detachment are the leaven of the world. Meditate on this, and be of the thankful." (Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, pp. 161)
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    So we are judged on that day and we don't have to wait until judgement day?
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    We are worthless masses of cells, which rot away. There is no wonderful place waiting to reward you. There is no hell waiting to punish you for being an ******* because your existance is of no importance or value, no one cares except other worthless individuals who you've formed bonds with, nothing is looking down on your sorry insignificant ass. You are a worthless piece of nothing. Good day sir.
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    Originally Posted by aidsman2003 View Post
    So we are judged on that day and we don't have to wait until judgement day?
    No...when you die, you are dead and don't feel anything or think about anything until judgement day, when all the dead are resurrected and judged according to their works.
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    Originally Posted by FullSack View Post
    ..your existance is of no importance or value, no one cares except other worthless individuals who you've formed bonds with, nothing is looking down on your sorry insignificant ass. You are a worthless piece of nothing. Good day sir.
    If this is how you really view life, I feel sorry both for you and anyone who is related to you.
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    Originally Posted by SaviorSix View Post
    If this is how you really view life, I feel sorry both for you and anyone who is related to you.
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    So we are judged on that day and we don't have to wait until judgement day?
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    No...when you die, you are dead and don't feel anything or think about anything until judgement day, when all the dead are resurrected and judged according to their works.


    Thanks, I thought a select few go up there when they pass away?
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    Originally Posted by Griever View Post
    No...when you die, you are dead and don't feel anything or think about anything until judgement day, when all the dead are resurrected and judged according to their works.
    So where is your spirit then?
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    Thanks
    No prob man a lot of these guys will tell you that you are judged immediately after death and then your "soul" goes to heaven or hell, but then on judgement day your soul goes back to your body and you get resurrected and then you get judged again and then you go to heaven or hell again...

    but that doesn't make any sense, nor could they back that up with the Bible at all.
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    Originally Posted by aidsman2003 View Post
    Thanks, I thought a select few go up there when they pass away?
    Do you always thank peeps for misinformation?

    Why are you accepting what he says?
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    So where is your spirit then?
    There is no such thing as a spirit. God created man in two steps. He formed Adam's body and then breathed life into him and made him a living soul.

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    Originally Posted by Griever View Post
    No prob man a lot of these guys will tell you that you are judged immediately after death and then your "soul" goes to heaven or hell, but then on judgement day your soul goes back to your body and you get resurrected and then you get judged again and then you go to heaven or hell again...

    but that doesn't make any sense, nor could they back that up with the Bible at all.


    I see , that makes a lot of sense.
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    truth hurts
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    Oh wow some dork from Illinois knows the truth to life.
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    Originally Posted by aidsman2003 View Post
    Thanks, I thought a select few go up there when they pass away?
    Nah thats a lie they will tell you, they can't back it up with verses from the Bible if you asked them to...
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    Originally Posted by aidsman2003 View Post
    I see , that makes a lot of sense.
    Yea it does make more sense doesn't it?

    We have our bodies, and when we die...we die. And then on judgement day we are resurrected thanks to Christ's sacrifice (he abolished sin, and in doing so, abolished the wages of sin, which is death) and then we are judged according to our works in life.
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    There is no such thing as a spirit. God created man in two steps. He formed Adam's body and then breathed life into him and made him a living soul.

    We are souls, our living bodies are souls.
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    Originally Posted by ryan250 View Post
    lulz.

    u mad.
    Sure. I'm mad that some brat from bum-fuk USA such as yourself would make that arrogant statement. After burying my mother yesterday, the 300+ people who showed up to her funeral were a testament to the effect she had on everyone who she came across in life. This effect is carried with everyone she touched. Maybe you and FullSack's life are meaningless, because neither of you have contributed anything of value to anyone. And probably never will.
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    Originally Posted by powerman2000 View Post
    So our "souls" are dead according to you?
    We are no longer a living soul when we die. It kinda makes sense. When we die we go to the grave, which the Hebrews called "Sheol".

    This is because of our sin, which if you remember from Genesis, the wages of which is death.

    Once Christ died he made it possible for us to be resurrected like he was because he abolished the sin of the world.
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