do i need to add carbs to my Post workout shake?

[Haris14]

i have been taking whey+oats. i am a hardgainer and i am bulking, is it the right thing to do? should i add dextrose? whats the difference between dextrose and waxymaize?

[Source2006]

Dextro malto in 4:1 ratio i think

[Haris14]

Originally Posted by Source2006

Dextro malto in 4:1 ratio i think

does that mean i should stop addign oats and change to dextrose?

[Widge]

PWO id soona have dex than oats, better to keep it liquid imo

[Haris14]

Originally Posted by Widge

PWO id soona have dex than oats, better to keep it liquid imo

erm doesnt matter if its liquid or not, but the thing is, if i keep on adding oats, will it hurt my gains? because oats will slow down the digestion right? is dextrose same as waxymaize??

[Haris14]

anyone?

[youngbuck88]

Originally Posted by Haris14

i have been taking whey+oats. i am a hardgainer and i am bulking, is it the right thing to do? should i add dextrose? whats the difference between dextrose and waxymaize?

if you are trying to add size,most def. Get yourself some %100 grape or cranberry juice and mix it up with your protein. Drink it immediaetly after your workout. Ideal P-W shake is 60-70g carbs n 50-70gprotein. Ive been doing this for a year straight after every workout and it has def helped me with getting those extra cals. Your body really needs carbs after an intense workout,so reward it.

[Haris14]

Originally Posted by youngbuck88

if you are trying to add size,most def. Get yourself some %100 grape or cranberry juice and mix it up with your protein. Drink it immediaetly after your workout. Ideal P-W shake is 60-70g carbs n 50-70gprotein. Ive been doing this for a year straight after every workout and it has def helped me with getting those extra cals. Your body really needs carbs after an intense workout,so reward it.

other than grape, what else? should i get waxy maize or dextrose?

[Loctus]

Originally Posted by Haris14

other than grape, what else? should i get waxy maize or dextrose?

Waxy maize is better then dextrose but much more expensive.. Up do you.

[ot_singapore]

i would suggest bread with peanut butter seriously. there's no need to get dextrose or waxy.. they only provide carbs but no nutrients? natural its still the best. rmb supplements are still supplements after all!

[Full_Blown]

oats definitely, u dont need simple sugars after lifting at all.

[Dominc]

Originally Posted by _lightsout_

oats definitely, u dont need simple sugars after lifting at all.

?! WHATTT?! Not at all.

The dextrose sugar in simple carbs spikes insulin levels by raising blood sugar levels which speed up the process of restoring glycogen to muscles to avoid any post-workout muscle catabolism.

[Full_Blown]

Originally Posted by Dominc

?! WHATTT?! Not at all.

The dextrose sugar in simple carbs spikes insulin levels by raising blood sugar levels which speed up the process of restoring glycogen to muscles to avoid any post-workout muscle hypertrophy.

lifting weights does not deplete glycogen that much at all. sprinting and intense **** like that would. also protein+carbs in general will elicit an insulin response.

and i think u mean avoid muscle atrophy.......

[Dominc]

I meant catabolism, talking with my Dad while typing crossed lines; now edited.

Furthermore, there is evidence that muscle glycogen can be reduced by up to 40% when completing 5/6 sets of 70% 1RM. That's considerable enough when a decrease in glycogen can limit intensity and decrease time to exhaustion.

[Haris14]

Originally Posted by _lightsout_

oats definitely, u dont need simple sugars after lifting at all.

i am confused. i read somewhere and said that you need simple sugars right after workout and thats the only time you need simple sugars. correct me if i am wrong.

[icebreakeribs]

people will argue forever over oats/banana vs. maltodextrin/dextrose vs. waxy-maize. they're all good and everyone has their favorite. I switched from malto/dextrose to oats/banana cause I wanted more real food. either one is good. the only thing that everyone can agree on is DON'T have fat (that means no peanut butter, because that will slow down the whey absorption much more than oats or any other carb).

[megaman77]

oats = low GI, low insulin spike, slow digesting carb
dextrose= high GI, high insulin spike, fast digesting carb
waxy maize= low GI, high insulin spike, fast digesting carb


I take waxy maize after a workout becuase they are fast digesting and cause a good insulin spike, but dont make meel feel the same sugar crash that taking a bunch of dextrose does. Waxy Miaze is a unique, large molecule that is absorbed/digested very quickly.

I would go with waxy maize, but sugar is a lot cheaper.

[LukeN.Good]

Originally Posted by Haris14

i am confused. i read somewhere and said that you need simple sugars right after workout and thats the only time you need simple sugars. correct me if i am wrong.

Correct. You want something to 1) spike your insulin levels so your body is more receptive to the protein/other nutrients you ingest after your workout and 2) give your body something to feed off of for energy to prevent catabolism (feeding off iteslf).

A simple, fast digesting carbohydrate!

Waxy maize is great (and faster digesting than dextrose with a greater insulin level spike). ON Glycomaize is what I use personally, not THAT expensive. I think it was around $20+ if I remember correctly.

[wheylover]

i switch from malto/dex to ON WMS for 1 month, gain 4 pds, mostly muscle i think, most importantly no bloating in stomach at all

[Loctus]

Originally Posted by ot_singapore

i would suggest bread with peanut butter seriously. there's no need to get dextrose or waxy.. they only provide carbs but no nutrients? natural its still the best. rmb supplements are still supplements after all!

I agree, those NUTRIENT-PACKED pb wheatbread sandwhiches are soo good pwo

Seriously, wtf?

[ilbkyl]

Originally Posted by Loctus

I agree, those NUTRIENT-PACKED pb wheatbread sandwhiches are soo good pwo

Seriously, wtf?

ftw lawl

[Bignik92]

man up, stop buyin whey **** and get a weight gainer. i advise mammoth 2500 for fast results but if you don't work hard enough some fat ther too. Or if you know what your doing and want a top quality product get Phd pharmagain

[Haris14]

Originally Posted by Bignik92

man up, stop buyin whey **** and get a weight gainer. i advise mammoth 2500 for fast results but if you don't work hard enough some fat ther too. Or if you know what your doing and want a top quality product get Phd pharmagain

wtf?

Anyway, thanks guys for responding to my replies. For now i should quit adding oats to my PWO and buy a waxymaize! Really appreciate it Thanks!

[Full_Blown]

Originally Posted by LukeN.Good

Correct. You want something to 1) spike your insulin levels so your body is more receptive to the protein/other nutrients you ingest after your workout and 2) give your body something to feed off of for energy to prevent catabolism (feeding off iteslf).

A simple, fast digesting carbohydrate!

Waxy maize is great (and faster digesting than dextrose with a greater insulin level spike). ON Glycomaize is what I use personally, not THAT expensive. I think it was around $20+ if I remember correctly.

1) food spikes insulin, whey especially. 2) chances are if u ate a meal/shake preworkout, that ur still digesting that when u drink ur shake, the idea that u need a quick carb/protein source is wrong. food will work just as well.


but either way, waxy maize is good if u dont mind buying it, but oats would suffice

[Bignik92]

Originally Posted by Haris14

wtf?

Anyway, thanks guys for responding to my replies. For now i should quit adding oats to my PWO and buy a waxymaize! Really appreciate it Thanks!

wtf yourself................bitch :P:P:P

[Berserker_Titan]

Yes, go for an insulin spike.

[LukeN.Good]

Originally Posted by _lightsout_

1) food spikes insulin, whey especially. 2) chances are if u ate a meal/shake preworkout, that ur still digesting that when u drink ur shake, the idea that u need a quick carb/protein source is wrong. food will work just as well.


but either way, waxy maize is good if u dont mind buying it, but oats would suffice

"food spikes insulin, whey especially" = my favorite part of your massive uneducated fail (of course "food" does, what macro-nutrient do you think is MOST responsible for it smartass? Hint: NOT PROTEIN.). Oats are a complex carbohydrate, they take too long to digest and inherently are going to be virtually useless around a workout when your body is in IMMEDIATE need of carbs. Look up GLYCEMIC INDEX someday please.

I honestly don't see how ANYONE (unless they've never researched basic nutrition in their lives) could argue with my previous post...just wow. Poor advice, how you've managed to stay alive this long is astounding...

[Full_Blown]

Originally Posted by LukeN.Good

"food spikes insulin, whey especially" = my favorite part of your massive uneducated fail (of course "food" does, what macro-nutrient do you think is MOST responsible for it smartass? Hint: NOT PROTEIN.). Oats are a complex carbohydrate, they take too long to digest and inherently are going to be virtually useless around a workout when your body is in IMMEDIATE need of carbs. Look up GLYCEMIC INDEX someday please.

I honestly don't see how ANYONE (unless they've never researched basic nutrition in their lives) could argue with my previous post...just wow. Poor advice, how you've managed to stay alive this long is astounding...

wow, i almost feel embarassed for u.

protein alone does not spike insulin, but whey does, its absorbed rapidly into the blood stream, why do u think that is? but that doesnt matter

maybe u should look up glycemic index and see that it is irrelevant and only theoretical. glycemic index is 50g of the food eaten on an empty stomach with nothing else..........protein+carbohydrates, no matter what the GI, will elicit some insulin response and will definitely be enough postworkout.


as far as digestion goes, protein is absorbed slowly, if u have eaten within a couple hours of training, u will still be digesting the food from that meal when u r done training, so rapidly getting carbs+protein isnt that important.

even if u were right(which u r not) there is no need to take such a strong view on something and attempt to insult someone who disagrees with u especially when u r just repeating things thatu have heard rather than actually looking into it.

edit-i suggest that u do some reading in the nutrition section

[danv027]

just continue to have ur post WO shake WITH OATS and just add an apple or banana for quick digesting carbs....(BTW, carbs are underrated post WO, they are just as important as protein)

[Holyspokes]

You don't need to spike your insulin PWO unless you are training to glycogen depletion (no one here is) and you have another workout later in the day. Eating a meal with just about any composition macronutrient wise and glycemic index wise will elevate insulin enough.

That being said using waxy maize or dextrose will not hurt you, and probably won't fill you up as much as oats if you are a hardgainer. Then again, those carb sources are completely nutrient void, and are more expensive.

I like potatoes PWO, either white or sweet.