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    John Abraham

    The NFLs defensive end with the most sacks just got left out of the Pro Bowl...


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    Thats horse ****.

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    its the probowl who cares?
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    Well it happens. We still love you Abe lol.
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    Originally Posted by fivas15 View Post
    its the probowl who cares?
    Every Pro football fan who gets one of their teams best players left off the ballot cares.

    And the DE with the most sacks.... WTF
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    Originally Posted by NoS_oUtLaSt View Post
    Every Pro football fan who gets one of their teams best players left off the ballot cares.

    And the DE with the most sacks.... WTF
    I would be pissed if it wasn't fan voting, if it was GMs/Coaches voting then I'd be pissed/disappointed.
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    Patrick Willis is in!

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    Originally Posted by fivas15 View Post
    I would be pissed if it wasn't fan voting, if it was GMs/Coaches voting then I'd be pissed/disappointed.
    Well it's just always frustrating when a player shines all year and has a great season and people don't notice enough to vote the way they should.
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    lol thats a bull****.
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    Originally Posted by Exist 2 Inspire View Post
    Well it's just always frustrating when a player shines all year and has a great season and people don't notice enough to vote the way they should.
    try being a jazz fan
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    It's ok, the Steelers only have 3 on the Probowl despite the fact that their defense could probably match up against everyone else.

    Some people just make the ProBowl by default see:

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    I'm not saying they aren't great, its just that some people vote for "Hmm what name here do I know best thats not on my favorite team?" regardless of what they've done for their team this year.
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    That's rediculous. He doesn't play every down though, that may be why he didn't make it.
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    he doesnt lead in sacks
    he has 15.5

    Joey Porter is the leader with 17.5
    and DeMarcus Ware is behind him with 16
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    He got robbed fo sho but Falcons fans should be happy since he probably would have been injured getting off the plane anyway.
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    Originally Posted by Dennis71 View Post
    he doesnt lead in sacks
    he has 15.5

    Joey Porter is the leader with 17.5
    and DeMarcus Ware is behind him with 16
    he said DEFENSIVE END with most sacks those 2 guys are outside LB's and D ware has 19 sacks
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    Originally Posted by batman15 View Post
    That's rediculous. He doesn't play every down though, that may be why he didn't make it.
    Most fans don't know that though. Somebody sees that a guy has 15.5 sacks and they probably assume that he plays every single down.
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    DOnt worry bout it falcons fans...Peppers will rep all the NFC south d-ends well

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    Originally Posted by Exist 2 Inspire View Post
    Most fans don't know that though. Somebody sees that a guy has 15.5 sacks and they probably assume that he plays every single down.
    yeah i know lol thats why i said that. he comes in JUST FOR SACKS. he isn't an every down pass rusher/run stopper...he's a bull rush for a sack on 3rd down kinda guy
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    Originally Posted by batman15 View Post
    yeah i know lol thats why i said that. he comes in JUST FOR SACKS. he isn't an every down pass rusher/run stopper...he's a bull rush for a sack on 3rd down kinda guy
    Well he doesn't only play in passing situations. One reason he doesn't play every down is because of a lot of nagging injuries he has so they try to make sure he stays fresh. Also a lot of the time they put Jamaal Anderson at DT and move Abraham over to LE to improve the pass rush, so sometimes it might appear that he's not in on a play. I'd say Abe is in on about 70% to 80% of 1st-3rd downs.
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    Originally Posted by Exist 2 Inspire View Post
    Well he doesn't only play in passing situations. One reason he doesn't play every down is because of a lot of nagging injuries he has so they try to make sure he stays fresh. Also a lot of the time they put Jamaal Anderson at DT and move Abraham over to LE to improve the pass rush, so sometimes it might appear that he's not in on a play. I'd say Abe is in on about 70% to 80% of 1st-3rd downs.
    Beat me too it. but yeah most of it is because of how injury prone he is. Regardless if you lead your position in sacks i think you should make it.
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    Regardless if you lead your position in sacks i think you should make it.
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    I would be pissed if it wasn't fan voting, if it was GMs/Coaches voting then I'd be pissed/disappointed.
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    Originally Posted by 2stoked View Post
    It's ok, the Steelers only have 3 on the Probowl despite the fact that their defense could probably match up against everyone else.

    Some people just make the ProBowl by default see:

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    I'm not saying they aren't great, its just that some people vote for "Hmm what name here do I know best thats not on my favorite team?" regardless of what they've done for their team this year.
    I'ma disagree with you on Lewis. He's been a ****ing beast this year, and is deserving, and I HATE the Ravens.

    Also, the Steelers defense doesn't "probably match up", they outmatch any other defense.

    I see 2 possible reasons that Abraham might not have made it (in a legitimate sense, that is)

    1) He doesn't play all downs
    2) He tends to disappear against some of the better teams and is borderline irrelevant in run support.

    No hate on the dude, but Peppers plays all downs and is much better on run support, and has several more tackles, passes defensed and forced fumbles than Abraham. Tuck has almost twice as many tackles (again, all downs) and Jared Allen is the same, with the added benefit of really turning it on against top teams.

    Abraham deserves to be in the Pro Bowl, and if he performed like he has on an AFC team he'd make it easily, but he is, unfortunately, having the 4th best season in the NFC among DEs. It sucks when deserving players don't make it though.
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    Originally Posted by kethnaab View Post
    I'ma disagree with you on Lewis. He's been a ****ing beast this year, and is deserving, and I HATE the Ravens.

    Also, the Steelers defense doesn't "probably match up", they outmatch any other defense.

    I see 2 possible reasons that Abraham might not have made it (in a legitimate sense, that is)

    1) He doesn't play all downs
    2) He tends to disappear against some of the better teams and is borderline irrelevant in run support.

    No hate on the dude, but Peppers plays all downs and is much better on run support, and has several more tackles, passes defensed and forced fumbles than Abraham. Tuck has almost twice as many tackles (again, all downs) and Jared Allen is the same, with the added benefit of really turning it on against top teams.

    Abraham deserves to be in the Pro Bowl, and if he performed like he has on an AFC team he'd make it easily, but he is, unfortunately, having the 4th best season in the NFC among DEs. It sucks when deserving players don't make it though.
    Yeah he doesn't play all downs but no defense lineman ever does.

    In the last three games vs division oppents he recorded at least one sack(three againist Tampa Bay) so I don't think you can say he dissappears really.

    And in all truthfullness the only one of the three DEs in the Probowl that is great at stopping the run is tuck.

    EDIT: Not to mention Minnesota is third in sacks, New York is 5th in sacks, and Carolina is 9th and sacks. while atlanta is tied for 13th with 28 sacks. So Abraham has over half his team sacks. So who do you think is getting double teamed the most?
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    Originally Posted by NoS_oUtLaSt View Post
    Yeah he doesn't play all downs but no defense lineman ever does.

    In the last three games vs division oppents he recorded at least one sack(three againist Tampa Bay) so I don't think you can say he dissappears really.

    And in all truthfullness the only one of the three DEs in the Probowl that is great at stopping the run is tuck.
    Those statements are true. Plus if you look at Jared Allen's stats, 6.5 of his 14.5 sacks came from weeks 13, 14, and 15. He really hadn't done that well in the first half of the season, whereas Abraham has been tearin **** up all year.
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    Originally Posted by kethnaab View Post
    I see 2 possible reasons that Abraham might not have made it (in a legitimate sense, that is)

    1) He doesn't play all downs
    2) He tends to disappear against some of the better teams and is borderline irrelevant in run support.

    No hate on the dude, but Peppers plays all downs and is much better on run support, and has several more tackles, passes defensed and forced fumbles than Abraham. Tuck has almost twice as many tackles (again, all downs) and Jared Allen is the same, with the added benefit of really turning it on against top teams.

    Abraham deserves to be in the Pro Bowl, and if he performed like he has on an AFC team he'd make it easily, but he is, unfortunately, having the 4th best season in the NFC among DEs. It sucks when deserving players don't make it though.
    NYG and Carolina also have a better line. Tuck has Kiwanuka on the other side. Peppers also has help. Who's the next best player on the Falcons line in addition to Abraham? Babineaux? I like him and all, but its much easier for teams to focus on him alone. That's gonna limit his tackles more than some of the other guys. Abraham deserved to be there over Peppers. His sacks have accounted for 105 yards lost. Nearly 7 yards a sack. Peppers account for 66, around 5 a sack.

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    Originally Posted by NoS_oUtLaSt View Post
    Yeah he doesn't play all downs but no defense lineman ever does.
    DL get pulled for breathers, but Abraham is a Gastineau-like pass rusher, as opposed to the others getting in based on overall play.

    Originally Posted by NoS_oULaSt
    In the last three games vs division oppents he recorded at least one sack(three againist Tampa Bay) so I don't think you can say he dissappears really.
    he's been a monster against Tampa, no doubt.

    Originally Posted by NoS_oUtLaSt
    And in all truthfullness the only one of the three DEs in the Probowl that is great at stopping the run is tuck.
    agreed, but Abraham simply doesn't play on obvious running downs much at all, that's the main thing. He is almost like a DH or something.

    Originally Posted by NoS_oUtLaSt
    EDIT: Not to mention Minnesota is third in sacks, New York is 5th in sacks, and Carolina is 9th and sacks. while atlanta is tied for 13th with 28 sacks. So Abraham has over half his team sacks. So who do you think is getting double teamed the most?
    Atlanta doesn't blitz much at all, as opposed to NYG, Minnesota and Carolina. Although I get where you're going with that, also keep in mind on obvious passing downs, frequently that double-team involves a TE or a RB kept behind.

    Playing devil's advocate mainly here, I think Abraham kicked ass this year.
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