sugar

[sp303]

is there anything good in sugar or should i just really not eat anything that contains sugar?ive heard that no sugar =better looking skin and less pimples right?

[Phosphate bond]

Think nutritional differences instead. Otherwise this kind of simple classification leads to people avoiding "carrots" and other healthy foods.

(Seriously as if oats were better than carrots for cutting because one has complex carbs and the other has "sugars" in it)

[sp303]

im just asking if theres anyway i can justify eating a donut every now and then?is sugar made by the devil i mean does anything useful come out of it or should i just avoid all candy im going to start taking my appearance very seriously now, i want a normal looking muscular body with great skin instead of being a skinny dude who looks like he aint got enough sleep

carrots are great n i dont mean sugar from berries n veggies i understand that they are healthy im talkin about that **** n!ggas be puttin in cakes n sh!t

[Holyspokes]

im just asking if theres anyway i can justify eating a donut every now and then?is sugar made by the devil i mean does anything useful come out of it or should i just avoid all candy im going to start taking my appearance very seriously now, i want a normal looking muscular body with great skin instead of being a skinny dude who looks like he aint got enough sleep

carrots are great n i dont mean sugar from berries n veggies i understand that they are healthy im talkin about that **** n!ggas be puttin in cakes n sh!t

Having a some sugar every now and then will definitely not deter your goals.

[Revaise]

im just asking if theres anyway i can justify eating a donut every now and then?is sugar made by the devil i mean does anything useful come out of it or should i just avoid all candy im going to start taking my appearance very seriously now, i want a normal looking muscular body with great skin instead of being a skinny dude who looks like he aint got enough sleep

carrots are great n i dont mean sugar from berries n veggies i understand that they are healthy im talkin about that **** n!ggas be puttin in cakes n sh!t

Sugar doesn't make you gain weight, excess calories and lack of exercise do. While there's not much nutrition in a donut, it's perfectly fine to incorporate donuts into a healthy diet. Simply eat enough nutritious foods throughout the day, and watch your calories so you don't overdo it.

[username3]

sugar is a carb. carbs are used for bulking.

[bp16]

Sugar is not good, no, and neither is it good for your skin. Refined sugars and refined carbs are among the worst things for skin.

[-Aaron-]

Sugar is not good, no, and neither is it good for your skin. Refined sugars and refined carbs are among the worst things for skin.

lol!

Wow, do some research please.

[Phosphate bond]

Sugar doesn't make you gain weight, excess calories and lack of exercise do.

And deficient diets that make you feel sick don't help with exercise. So basically it is a circular argument that always ends with nutrition unless someone can figure out how "mind over matter" can be applied to this machine we call the human body? (Then we could just burn calories without need for nutritional requirments affecting other bodily processes)

[bp16]

lol!

Wow, do some research please.

What, about the skin? I have done plenty, and I am sure I have done more than you. What I said stands.

[-Aaron-]

What, about the skin? I have done plenty, and I am sure I have done more than you. What I said stands.

lol!

You are making claims without knowing nothing about me.

[Revaise]

And deficient diets that make you feel sick don't help with exercise. So basically it is a circular argument that always ends with nutrition unless someone can figure out how "mind over matter" can be applied to this machine we call the human body? (Then we could just burn calories without need for nutritional requirments affecting other bodily processes)

Firstly, Sugar does not equal deficient diet, so it's not a circular argument; you're missing the point. If you ate nothing but tuna, we could apply your same logic, couldn't we? It would still be a deficient diet.

Secondly, you're making a grave error if you believe all sources of sugar aren't nutritious. There are many sources of sugar, and there are many sources that are nutritious. Sugar has received a bad rap over the years, and most of it is bull****.

It's about caloric consumption, and for an athletic individual (that doesn't train fasted or more than once a day), again, as noted in various other threads, the glycemic index is less relevant.

[bp16]

lol!

You are making claims without knowing nothing about me.

So what exactly about what I said about skin is wrong?... go.

Oh and yeah, you claimed I needed to do research when I have read multiple papers and studies. Nice. Making claims without knowing me... sounds familiar.

[Phosphate bond]

Firstly, Sugar does not equal deficient diet, so it's not a circular argument; you're missing the point. If you ate nothing but tuna, we could apply your same logic, couldn't we? It could still be a deficient diet.

Secondly, you're making a grave error if you believe all sources of sugar aren't nutritious. There are many sources of sugar, and there are many sources that are nutritious.

Yep I agree that carrots and their sugar are not bad for a person.

I just brought up deficient diet because stating laws involving Calories In and Calories Out really doesn't help anyone? Okay but to be fair I really think more nutritional (<---when I say this I mean micronutrients beyond macros) research with regard to exercise needs to be done in order to help understand what helps "Calories Out". Seriously making 3000 calories out (with muscle loss) can be done on any mediocre diet. No suprises there.

[bp16]

So what exactly about what I said about skin is wrong?

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[Uk Lifter]

If you're talking your average plain white sugar then that is possibly one of the most unhealthy things you can put in your body along with man made fats, natural sugars in fruits and vegetables on the other hand are healthier yes.

[Rucker12]

you can eat **** for your **** meal, your cheat meal. once a week eat some donuts. otherwise stay away from the refined sugars. if you're craving something sweet, eat a peach. sugars are carbs, and carbs are used for bulking, but thats a good way to add fat during a bulk. you can do a much leaner bulk than eating peanut butter M&M's all day.

[bp16]

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[-Aaron-]

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I'm intentionally not responding to you for a few reasons:

A) You insulted my knowledge base without knowing my credentials or background.

B) Carbohydrates don't make you fat, that's a fact.

C) I don't need to prove that sugar does or doesn't make your skin colors, or whatever you said it did.

D) Ultimately ALL carbohydrates are turned into sugar, so in essence you're saying every carbohydrate source gives you skin problems.

E) You're a gone.

F) That is all.

[PhobosWebDev]

Look up dextrose and it's benefits post workout

[-Aaron-]

Look up dextrose and it's benefits post workout

Look up broscience and it's part in the bodybuilding community.

[141455675]

Look up dextrose and it's benefits post workout

[bp16]

I'm intentionally not responding to you for a few reasons:

A) You insulted my knowledge base without knowing my credentials or background.

B) Carbohydrates don't make you fat, that's a fact.

C) I don't need to prove that sugar does or doesn't make your skin colors, or whatever you said it did.

D) Ultimately ALL carbohydrates are turned into sugar, so in essence you're saying every carbohydrate source gives you skin problems.

E) You're a gone.

F) That is all.

a) In reference to acne, yes I did, after you insulted my knowledge base in your first post. Going to med school or whatever won't teach you about pimples, at least not nearly enough about nutrition's role in it.
b) Wtf? When did I say or imply this? Oh, right, I didn't.
c) I said refined sugars and carbs are the worst for your skin/pimples. Because they are. If you really want to dispute this, I have plenty of evidence.
d) Yes, I know all carbs are ultimately converted into sugars... and yes, carbs (especially refined and high GI) (perhaps dairy as well), are the worst things you can eat for your skin if you have zits... you know, what he is asking about.
e) lol...
f) lol

[Revaise]

I'd love to see the evidence regarding this acne.

[Elfie.]

I'd love to see the evidence regarding this acne.

"MELBOURNE, Australia, Aug. 23 -- Adolescent boys deprived of a high glycemic index junk-food diet had better clearing of acne vulgaris in 12 weeks than a medicine chest full of pimple medications can provide.
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Young men with mild-to-moderate facial acne who were randomly assigned to eat an experimental low glycemic load diet had significantly fewer lesions after three months than their peers who followed a more typical teen diet, reported Robyn Smith, Ph.D., of the RMIT University School of Applied Sciences here, and colleagues.


The low glycemic load diet was also associated with weight loss, a reduction in circulating free androgen, and an increase in insulin-like growth factor binding protein-1 compared with the high glycemic load diet, the investigators reported in the August issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology.


"The acne of the boys on the higher protein, low glycemic index diet improved dramatically, by more than 50%, which is more than what you see with topical acne solutions," said senior author Neil Mann, Ph.D.


"A diet high in processed foods pushes glucose and insulin levels higher, exacerbating the problem, but low glycemic foods do the opposite. The mechanism and the results are as clear as day," he said."
http://www.medpagetoday.com/Dermatol...rmatology/6490

[Revaise]

"MELBOURNE, Australia, Aug. 23 -- Adolescent boys deprived of a high glycemic index junk-food diet had better clearing of acne vulgaris in 12 weeks than a medicine chest full of pimple medications can provide.
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Young men with mild-to-moderate facial acne who were randomly assigned to eat an experimental low glycemic load diet had significantly fewer lesions after three months than their peers who followed a more typical teen diet, reported Robyn Smith, Ph.D., of the RMIT University School of Applied Sciences here, and colleagues.


The low glycemic load diet was also associated with weight loss, a reduction in circulating free androgen, and an increase in insulin-like growth factor binding protein-1 compared with the high glycemic load diet, the investigators reported in the August issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology.


"The acne of the boys on the higher protein, low glycemic index diet improved dramatically, by more than 50%, which is more than what you see with topical acne solutions," said senior author Neil Mann, Ph.D.


"A diet high in processed foods pushes glucose and insulin levels higher, exacerbating the problem, but low glycemic foods do the opposite. The mechanism and the results are as clear as day," he said."
http://www.medpagetoday.com/Dermatol...rmatology/6490

Thanks, looks interesting.

And for anyone that is going to immediately dismiss this on account of the involvement of the glycemic index, don't. Remember, while the glycemic index may not have much application to normal bodybuilders, high-GI carbs may still have some bearing on other medical issues.

[bp16]

Alright I'll drop most of it now:

Brief explanation: insulin increases/spikes promote the production (?) of free IGF-1, a hormone that interacts with the androgen receptors, ultimately ending in their production of oil (sebum). Overproduction of sebum = a perfect storm for someone vulnerable to acne. Too much sebum caught in a collapsed/dead skin cell with the p. acne bacteria is an environment that promotes rapid growth of those bacteria. Insulin --> IGF-1 --> androgens --> sebum.

Low Glycemic load diet increased IGF-1 binding proteins (thus decreasing free IGF-1 levels) and decreased androgens: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18496812

Low Glycemic Load diet clears up skin better than High GL: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17448569

IGF1/insulin signaling activates androgen signaling through direct interactions of FOXO1 with androgen receptor: http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/M610447200v1

Milk, which has been positively associated to acne (by Harvard School of Public Health), is quite insulinogenic... it will increase insulin without as much of an effect on blood sugar.

Various observed cultures who eat/ate traditional, non-westernized diets, like the Eskimos, did not really experience acne, vs. our reported 85% in the U.S. who do, but as the newer Eskimo generations have adopted the Western diet (higher in refined foods, especially refined carbs), they developed acne.

In a recent observational report, Cordain et al. attributed that the absence of acne in two non-Westernised societies (the Kitavan Islanders of Papua New Guinea and the Ache' hunter-gatherers of Paraguay) to environmental factors, mainly local diets, which are devoid of high-GI (glycaemic-index) carbohydrates.15 This concept is an extension of an earlier hypothesis put forward by Schaefer,16 who reported the emergence of acne in the Eskimos of North America following the adoption of a Western lifestyle. Schaefer proposed that the increase in acne prevalence in Eskimo groups was the result of the 'shift to refined, ... rapidly absorbable carbohydrates'. This is in stark contrast to their earlier diet, which was composed primarily of meat and fish.17

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/c...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

Some anecdotal evidence:
Clearing of the skin is a commonly reported side effect of the Atkins diet (ketogenic, thus inherently low carb).
Males have more androgens (which produce oil) than females, and males also have acne more commonly.
Teenagers, those who get acne at a much higher rate than any other age group, naturally become more insulin resistant during puberty (meaning they will produce more insulin than they normally would).

This paper explains it better than I would: http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles...%20Article.pdf

[Revaise]

Thanks guys, it'll be something good to read when people wake up and begin popping their pimples.

[username3]

you can eat **** for your **** meal, your cheat meal. once a week eat some donuts. otherwise stay away from the refined sugars. if you're craving something sweet, eat a peach. sugars are carbs, and carbs are used for bulking, but thats a good way to add fat during a bulk. you can do a much leaner bulk than eating peanut butter M&M's all day.

NO IT DOESNT! Sugar wont make u gain any more fat than any other carb!

[Phosphate bond]

high glycemic index junk-food diet

Its the junk food part here that makes a lot more sense than Glycemic index.