Jim Cordova VS Natural Mr.Olympia

**DPNZ** · 10-25-2009, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by ygbodybuilder10

You natural bro?

**NextBlGThing** · 10-25-2009, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by DPNZ

You natural bro?

Sig says he is

**debrovnik** · 10-25-2009, 03:51 AM

This thread is hilarious, the ignorance people are displaying truly stuns me.

**RC2008** · 10-25-2009, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by NextBlGThing

At 6'3 your gonna have to be atleast 200 pounds on stage to stand next to those guys and not look stupid

And even then, 6'3 200 is pushing it. 5'10 200 is good, or 5'10 190

**Captain Sagara** · 10-25-2009, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by RC2008

And even then, 6'3 200 is pushing it. 5'10 200 is good, or 5'10 190

6'3 at least 230.

**KarateChris** · 10-25-2009, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by ygbodybuilder10

What's your point? We all knew you were a freak

Lookin swole, son

**FATHER FLEX** · 10-25-2009, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by JAWS22

Lol.

Just sucks that Ive been 180-195 for 2 years and its getting really old.

Heck Im 6'3, and I could jump on stage and own the living crap outta those 3 guys in that last pic. So if I took AAS, they wouldnt have a prayer. The one on the far right looks like a woman for goodness sake. I don't see who could be proud of that.

Usually I won't go this route, but bro...That guy you think looks like a girl. That is Clement Yearwood, who is probably among the top three light weights in the world. Those guys standing next to him...Are the other top three, what happens at this level of competition is that nobody is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone. The fact that you think that you can jump in next to these guys, and wipe the floor with them is incorrect. Realistically, at your current level of development, you might be middle of the pack in a good amateur show. Don't take this as an insult, take it as me telling you that plenty of development awaits you.

I hate to be so hard on you, but Clement is one of the nicest, most humble down to earth guys. And honestly...not from this planet. His physique, and character are absurd.

Sorry about the ran guys, that just really rubbed me the wrong way.

**FATHER FLEX** · 10-25-2009, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by ygbodybuilder10

You do know you are quite the mutation yourself right?

**J_Bo** · 10-25-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by FATHER FLEX

Sorry about the ran guys, that just really rubbed me the wrong way.

Dang at those erectors, with that tiny of a waist!

**spirit3530** · 10-25-2009, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by JAWS22

Those are "top level"? I know guys their highet who are far bigger, and shredded who do not compete at all. I just don't see whats so amazing about their physiques.

If that is top level I dont have far to go.

I wanna meet that girl.

Ok let me make this plain for you... You MIGHT place 4th at a mid level amatuer show. There is a difference between taking 1000 photos of yourself and posting the best 3 as an avatar as you adjust the lighting to show you at your best.

**Big B Bro** · 10-25-2009, 04:09 PM

He obviously isn't natural. End of the line.

**Ian_B** · 10-25-2009, 04:20 PM

lol @ Yearwood being called small. I doubt there is anybody on the planet that carries as much muscle as he does at that bodyweight.

**J_Bo** · 10-25-2009, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by BigBKillingIt

He obviously isn't natural. End of the line.

Oh and now I'm convinced because you said so, and you said that's the end of the line, so I guess the case is closed. Good thing we've got you here, mr. Detective man!

**Big Slim DaDDy** · 10-25-2009, 04:26 PM

I have participated in them but these kind of threads are wastes of time. All anyone can do is speculate and rationalize and argue. Noone can say for sure of anything except for the individuals in question themselves.

**J_Bo** · 10-25-2009, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Big Slim DaDDy

I have participated in them but these kind of threads are wastes of time. All anyone can do is speculate and rationalize and argue. Noone can say for sure of anything except for the individuals in question themselves.

You are right...but it's just frustrating because what do guys have to do to get the benefit of the doubt? Apparently passing a Urinalysis AND a Polygraph test EVERY single time they compete isn't enough to get the benefit of the doubt? I guess the only thing they can do to be given the benefit of the doubt is not be as good as they are???

AND then the part that's even more annoying is when people who give them the benefit of the doubt are insulted as being stupid and naive, when we're the ones who are actually going off the facts that have been presented rather than making assumptions, then saying we MUST be right.

**visionz1234** · 10-25-2009, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by JAWS22

Lol.

Just sucks that Ive been 180-195 for 2 years and its getting really old.

Heck Im 6'3, and I could jump on stage and own the living crap outta those 3 guys in that last pic. So if I took AAS, they wouldnt have a prayer. The one on the far right looks like a woman for goodness sake. I don't see who could be proud of that.

Say what? Own the living crap out of Shaun Clarida, Brian Whitacre, and Clement Yearwood?

I think your view of yourself in comparison might be a little distorted. These guys are top flight to say the least.

**Cheesin** · 10-25-2009, 09:14 PM

If I really thought jim cordova's size was unattainable naturally, I'd probably stop bodybuilding all together.

**Big Slim DaDDy** · 10-25-2009, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by J_Bo

You are right...but it's just frustrating because what do guys have to do to get the benefit of the doubt? Apparently passing a Urinalysis AND a Polygraph test EVERY single time they compete isn't enough to get the benefit of the doubt? I guess the only thing they can do to be given the benefit of the doubt is not be as good as they are???

AND then the part that's even more annoying is when people who give them the benefit of the doubt are insulted as being stupid and naive, when we're the ones who are actually going off the facts that have been presented rather than making assumptions, then saying we MUST be right.

Well some guys look fukking nuts. Those guys will always be questioned. I don't think anyone except for those who do so know how hard or easy it is to beat those kind of tests, maybe its really easy, I'm sure a lot of olympic athletes beat drug tests by timing their "stuff" right to be in and out of their systems. Same goes for NFL ect.

One can only make assumptions about what someone else does or does not do with their body.

Giving someone the benefit of the doubt, can be difficult, when a lot of the sport is filled with people who lie. In both professionals and recreational lifters a great deal of them do not admit to drug use because of the negative attention that derives from it.

**FATHER FLEX** · 10-25-2009, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Big Slim DaDDy

Well some guys look fukking nuts. Those guys will always be questioned. I don't think anyone except for those who do so know how hard or easy it is to beat those kind of tests, maybe its really easy, I'm sure a lot of olympic athletes beat drug tests by timing their "stuff" right to be in and out of their systems. Same goes for NFL ect.

One can only make assumptions about what someone else does or does not do with their body.

Giving someone the benefit of the doubt, can be difficult, when a lot of the sport is filled with people who lie. In both professionals and recreational lifters a great deal of them do not admit to drug use because of the negative attention that derives from it.

One day...One day I will be among the elite.

And you know what, I can assure you it will be like my other preps. Pop-tarts and hard work. I look at pictures of those guys and as impressive as they are, I don't question the means, rather I tell myself...Why not me.

**devo09** · 10-25-2009, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by father flex

i look at pictures of those guys and as impressive as they are, i don't question the means, rather i tell myself...why not me.

awesome! love that attitude

**KarateChris** · 10-25-2009, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by FATHER FLEX

One day...One day I will be among the elite.

And you know what, I can assure you it will be like my other preps. Pop-tarts and hard work. I look at pictures of those guys and as impressive as they are, I don't question the means, rather I tell myself...Why not me.

Lol, you and your poptarts. They should sponsor you! Hehe

**brwnbear** · 10-25-2009, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Tyrbolift

Elbows all too pointy.

i lol'd

**NextBlGThing** · 10-25-2009, 10:19 PM

Toaster strudels own poptarts

**FATHER FLEX** · 10-25-2009, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by devo09

awesome! love that attitude

Two kinds of people in this world. The "NO WAAAYYYYS!" and the "Yes way! Watch me!"

Originally Posted by KarateChris

Lol, you and your poptarts. They should sponsor you! Hehe

Best preworkout supplement!

Originally Posted by NextBlGThing

Toaster strudels own poptarts

Nothing comes close

**Big Slim DaDDy** · 10-25-2009, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by FATHER FLEX

Gingerbread? You're joking. I...hhhrrnrngrngrnhh....

**user7878778786** · 10-26-2009, 04:12 AM

most important thing is freezing the gingerbreads!

**fltallpaul** · 10-26-2009, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by JAWS22

If I look worse than that, give me death.

As a tall Natural bodybuilder I understand what you mean but you can't really tell how those 3 guys look in person based on stage pictures from the WNBF worlds. Those light are terrible and show conditioning more than anything...if you saw them in natural light you would not say give you death...

Perhaps you are arrogant but I think you are just misinformed...here is a picture of Brian Whitacre...the one in the middle....now perhaps you can take back what you said...

**spirit3530** · 10-26-2009, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by fltallpaul

As a tall Natural bodybuilder I understand what you mean but you can't really tell how those 3 guys look in person based on stage pictures from the WNBF worlds. Those light are terrible and show conditioning more than anything...if you saw them in natural light you would not say give you death...

Perhaps you are arrogant but I think you are just misinformed...here is a picture of Brian Whitacre...the one in the middle....now perhaps you can take back what you said...

[img]http://brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Model%20Pics/08Pic1.jpg[/im]

When a man has the EGO of that guy I doubt it.

**NextBlGThing** · 10-26-2009, 05:55 AM

Slightly bigger chest and dude would be solid

**juan072** · 10-26-2009, 07:12 AM

These guys certainly look amazing regardless of whether they use anabolic steroids or not. I know many people that do use and never reach that size or level of conditioning. These guys are certainly an inspiration to me.

Along the same lines, I'm curious for people that are more familiar with the various Natural Bodybuilding organizations and competitors...

Has there been a decrease in size/weight/development of the top naturals since various organizations banned pro-hormones (I know certain orgs. allowed their use)? How would the guys of today not using these substances (i.e. Cordova) hold up against the physiques of competitors when they could use pro-hormones? Are there any guys that used them and have been forced to stop that have lost size?

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