Last week of Phera/M-drol bridge, update

[boggs67ss]

So I'm in the middle of my last week of a Phera/M-drol bridge. I ran like this:
Phera: 45/60/60/45
M-drol: 0/ 0/ 0/ 20/20/30/30

My supports were cycle support, at times extra hawthorn berry and milk thistle, policosonal, p5p, vitex, joint support, and of course multi, fishoil, and some extra vitamin c and e.

I start PCT on mon. it looks like this:

Nolva: 20/20/20/20 (was thinking about first 2 days at 40mg, needed?)
Novedex XT: 3 caps eod and the last 3 days taper down (3,2,1)
creatine
Lean FX

My gains were awesome. I started cycle at 187 and yesterday weighed 208, so im up about 20-21 lbs. I wouldn't say its all lean mass, even though the SD did dry me up a bit. Strength went up on all lifts, about 40-50 lbs. on bench, up 90 lbs on SL deads, before squated 315 for a few reps and now doin 2 full sets, I did one set of 1015 lbs. leg press and before I struggled with 855, db curls went up 15 lbs, db rows went up about 25 lbs, just giving you an idea on lifts. Only sides to report were lower back pumps mainly when I did deads, but not too often ( I had extra taurine and added banannas to my diet), lethargy (got bad this last week), thats about it though, my nipples at times get a little puffy, but no soreness or itchiness or any lumps so im not worried about it hopefully PCT will take care of that (any suggestions?). I have a ? about when to start the Lean FX, should I start right away or wait a week? Also same with the Novedex XT? I hear mixed thoughts about starting an AI right away vs. waiting a week or two. Any comments or suggestions?

[javin86]

ummmmm why did you post this here?

[boggs67ss]

Cuz this is the steroid section, and theres way more knowledgable people here than he dumsh*ts in the supplement section.

[javin86]

i doubt anyone here knows enough about novedex xt or lean fx to give you advice on them.

[allenkster]

Cuz this is the steroid section, and theres way more knowledgable people here than he dumsh*ts in the supplement section.

lol

[boggs67ss]

i doubt anyone here knows enough about novedex xt or lean fx to give you advice on them.

O well is just a basic AI and a cort blocker, you don't know anything about them?

[Herd]

I just saw this post on AM. The AAS section here isnt like it is over there. PH/DS talk goes in the sup section here. As for your question, I would start the Lean FX right away but I dont know anything about Novedex xt. I would just go nolva/clomid for pct.

[Drumed]

So I'm in the middle of my last week of a Phera/M-drol bridge. I ran like this:
Phera: 45/60/60/45
M-drol: 0/ 0/ 0/ 20/20/30/30

My supports were cycle support, at times extra hawthorn berry and milk thistle, policosonal, p5p, vitex, joint support, and of course multi, fishoil, and some extra vitamin c and e.

I start PCT on mon. it looks like this:

Nolva: 20/20/20/20 (was thinking about first 2 days at 40mg, needed?)
Novedex XT: 3 caps eod and the last 3 days taper down (3,2,1)
creatine
Lean FX

My gains were awesome. I started cycle at 187 and yesterday weighed 208, so im up about 20-21 lbs. I wouldn't say its all lean mass, even though the SD did dry me up a bit. Strength went up on all lifts, about 40-50 lbs. on bench, up 90 lbs on SL deads, before squated 315 for a few reps and now doin 2 full sets, I did one set of 1015 lbs. leg press and before I struggled with 855, db curls went up 15 lbs, db rows went up about 25 lbs, just giving you an idea on lifts. Only sides to report were lower back pumps mainly when I did deads, but not too often ( I had extra taurine and added banannas to my diet), lethargy (got bad this last week), thats about it though, my nipples at times get a little puffy, but no soreness or itchiness or any lumps so im not worried about it hopefully PCT will take care of that (any suggestions?). I have a ? about when to start the Lean FX, should I start right away or wait a week? Also same with the Novedex XT? I hear mixed thoughts about starting an AI right away vs. waiting a week or two. Any comments or suggestions?

O well is just a basic AI and a cort blocker, you don't know anything about them?

Most people in this section stay with the proven SERMS. If you have a question about them or side effects you were having, people could help. Most just don't follow all the otc supplements that are out.

[boggs67ss]

I just saw this post on AM. The AAS section here isnt like it is over there. PH/DS talk goes in the sup section.

Ok well they are steroids, and like I said before theres more knowledgable people here than in the supp section, the supp section is a joke. You guys have any advice on the AI and cort blocker?

[javin86]

ai's behave differently from one another. We don't know anything about novedex xt. And i think i speak for everyone here when i say we don't really care at all about a cortisol blocker

[boggs67ss]

Most people in this section stay with the proven SERMS. If you have a question about them or side effects you were having, people could help. Most just don't follow all the otc supplements that are out.

I am using a SERM, nolva, just look at my layout, Im using novedex xt as and AI, I got the bottle for cheap and it does work.

[gisnb]

I am using a SERM, nolva, just look at my layout, Im using novedex xt as and AI, I got the bottle for cheap and it does work.

AI's during PCT can cause an estrogen rebound when you stop taking them. You have the Nolva, take it. If you must do the AI, you will need a much longer taper to be safe.

[MattMatt12341]

BB.com really needs, IMO, an DS section. I don't think it belongs here or in the supplements section. I wanted to show my little brother the supp. section (hes 17), but I couldn't because I did not want him looking at stuff like havoc/sd/pp or whatnot and get confused thinking its ok to take.

[boggs67ss]

I was thinking about just using the nolva for PCT, and maybe like a week or two after PCT start the novedex xt and just run the recommended doseage, and just use it as a test booster/AI, how does that sound? Also, im not worried about it, but you think my puffy nips should clear up during PCT, I also think it could just be some body fat. thanks for any help.

[shaneharon88]

Use Nolva/clomid for standard dosages and time, An extra AI wont be beneficial

[em-dubya]

I would say Nolva at 30/20/20/10 - add in another natty booster like Testobolin V2, Activate Xtreme, CEL PCT Assist and you should be good . If you use a cortisol blocker (which i always do) start on week 2 of pct and taper at the end

[javin86]

I would say Nolva at 30/20/20/10 - add in another natty booster like Testobolin V2, Activate Xtreme, CEL PCT Assist and you should be good . If you use a cortisol blocker (which i always do) start on week 2 of pct and taper at the end

see this is why we sent you to the sup forum. they agree that spending lots of money is the best way to restore hpta function.

[Problem]

see this is why we sent you to the sup forum. they agree that spending lots of money is the best way to restore hpta function.

When using real grear, alot of people use an AI like armosin and a SERM, and i bet they do use a test booster as well.

where's the waste of money?

[javin86]

I would say Nolva at 30/20/20/10 - add in another natty booster like Testobolin V2, Activate Xtreme, CEL PCT Assist and you should be good . If you use a cortisol blocker (which i always do) start on week 2 of pct and taper at the end

well maybe I read the quote wrong, but it loked to me like the guy recommended 10 test boosters.

[javin86]

When using real grear, alot of people use an AI like armosin and a SERM, and i bet they do use a test booster as well.

where's the waste of money?

also, like i mentioned earlier, ai's behave differently. aromasin is chosen for pct because it's relatively mild, has no rebound effect, and no negative effect lipids etc. I'm not sure if novedex meets these guidelines. the wrong ai can be hamrful in a pct.

[Problem]

also, like i mentioned earlier, ai's behave differently. aromasin is chosen for pct because it's relatively mild, has no rebound effect, and no negative effect lipids etc. I'm not sure if novedex meets these guidelines. the wrong ai can be hamrful in a pct.

Novedex XT contains ATD which is the same category with Aromasin.

[boggs67ss]

Novedex XT contains ATD which is the same category with Aromasin.

Thats what im sayin, this guy just doesn't know what hes talking about and its funny how he trys and speak for everyone on the forumn, just cuz you don't know doesn't mean others don't. So back to the original ?, start novedex xt about 3rd week? Or save it for a little after PCT?

[Problem]

Thats what im sayin, this guy just doesn't know what hes talking about and its funny how he trys and speak for everyone on the forumn, just cuz you don't know doesn't mean others don't. So back to the original ?, start novedex xt about 3rd week? Or save it for a little after PCT?

I answered all your questions over there at AM

start it at the 3rd week. 2 1 1

[boggs67ss]

I answered all your questions over there at AM

start it at the 3rd week. 2 1 1

Thanks man, didn't realize they moved this thread to the supp section, what a joke