personal training sessision with the guys at westside

[ThatArmyKid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t156u5VuBTw

awesome

[nickmanzoni]

I'm not into this kind of thing so it was kind of a question on WHAT exactly I was looking at. I mean I know what a box squat is, and I know the mechanics of it, and I don't mean to offend you, but what exactly was so awesome about it?

[tinyman5000]

Originally Posted by nickmanzoni

I'm not into this kind of thing so it was kind of a question on WHAT exactly I was looking at. I mean I know what a box squat is, and I know the mechanics of it, and I don't mean to offend you, but what exactly was so awesome about it?

lol typical trainer response

[nickmanzoni]

Originally Posted by tinyman5000

lol typical trainer response

I see a statement, but I don't see elaboration.

[dave134]

I just hope that guy has different methods for the general population!

[Govithoy]

Originally Posted by dave134

I just hope that guy has different methods for the general population!

PLing style bench vastly reduces shoulder injuries -- you don't need to arch like McD's to get a short ROM and it is a much better alternative to normal benching form for building strength and preventing injury. Box squats also help teach the "sitting back" motion (essential for effective sumo pulls) and how to hit depth in a squat.

The general population can learn a lot from PLers .

[nickmanzoni]

Originally Posted by Govithoy

PLing style bench vastly reduces shoulder injuries -- you don't need to arch like McD's to get a short ROM and it is a much better alternative to normal benching form for building strength and preventing injury. Box squats also help teach the "sitting back" motion (essential for effective sumo pulls) and how to hit depth in a squat.

The general population can learn a lot from PLers .

This is where I could not disagree more.

THE PROBLEM with "standard" bodybuilding is that if the form is even slightly off, then the results could cause injury in the long run. If done properly, more muscles are recruited in synergy to reduce chances of injury.

I just can't stress how much injury one occurs in a box squat, no one, not a single person, can disagree with the fundamental notion that being in a seated position over time reduces hip mobility and causes lower back pain.

That being said: WHY ON EARTH would one want to add an additional 400 lbs to their spine and hips in that same seated position?

PL'ers can learn alot from a simple anatomy book.

[Simmo0508]

Originally Posted by nickmanzoni

This is where I could not disagree more.

THE PROBLEM with "standard" bodybuilding is that if the form is even slightly off, then the results could cause injury in the long run. If done properly, more muscles are recruited in synergy to reduce chances of injury.

I just can't stress how much injury one occurs in a box squat, no one, not a single person, can disagree with the fundamental notion that being in a seated position over time reduces hip mobility and causes lower back pain.

That being said: WHY ON EARTH would one want to add an additional 400 lbs to their spine and hips in that same seated position?

PL'ers can learn alot from a simple anatomy book.

Took the words right outta my mouth.

[bigfrog]

Originally Posted by nickmanzoni

This is where I could not disagree more.

THE PROBLEM with "standard" bodybuilding is that if the form is even slightly off, then the results could cause injury in the long run. If done properly, more muscles are recruited in synergy to reduce chances of injury.

I just can't stress how much injury one occurs in a box squat, no one, not a single person, can disagree with the fundamental notion that being in a seated position over time reduces hip mobility and causes lower back pain.

That being said: WHY ON EARTH would one want to add an additional 400 lbs to their spine and hips in that same seated position?

PL'ers can learn alot from a simple anatomy book.

This^^^.......

[Govithoy]

Originally Posted by nickmanzoni

This is where I could not disagree more.

THE PROBLEM with "standard" bodybuilding is that if the form is even slightly off, then the results could cause injury in the long run. If done properly, more muscles are recruited in synergy to reduce chances of injury.

I just can't stress how much injury one occurs in a box squat, no one, not a single person, can disagree with the fundamental notion that being in a seated position over time reduces hip mobility and causes lower back pain.

It's a squat, you're down for a fraction of a second. "Over time"? What do you think I'm suggesting, box squats 3 times a day for years at a time? I'd do 'em about as much as I do rack pulls or hitting a new split jerk max...not exactly often. If you're using them in any sort of teaching capacity, you don't need more than the bar and can leave 'em behind entirely after a couple of sessions.

That being said: WHY ON EARTH would one want to add an additional 400 lbs to their spine and hips in that same seated position?

Who ever said 400lbs? Who even said 200lbs? Taking ideas from powerlifting and training as a powerlifter are two very different things. Doing box squats with hundreds of pounds is something specific to developing the PLing style squat (which I wouldn't recommend due to the stress on the hips and IT band) and not at all what I'm talking about. Taking the ideas -- like the JM Press, reverse hyper, or glute ham raise -- can add invaluable tools to one's arsenal.

[subieshane]

:-/

[nickmanzoni]

Originally Posted by Govithoy

It's a squat, you're down for a fraction of a second. "Over time"? What do you think I'm suggesting, box squats 3 times a day for years at a time? I'd do 'em about as much as I do rack pulls or hitting a new split jerk max...not exactly often. If you're using them in any sort of teaching capacity, you don't need more than the bar and can leave 'em behind entirely after a couple of sessions.

Who ever said 400lbs? Who even said 200lbs? Taking ideas from powerlifting and training as a powerlifter are two very different things. Doing box squats with hundreds of pounds is something specific to developing the PLing style squat (which I wouldn't recommend due to the stress on the hips and IT band) and not at all what I'm talking about. Taking the ideas -- like the JM Press, reverse hyper, or glute ham raise -- can add invaluable tools to one's arsenal.

Let's agree to disagree.


But it only takes 1 time to go and tie your shoe for you to slip a disc....

[Chokenpuke]

I sure hope you don't have any of your general population clients tying there own shoes. Sounds dangerous.

Can you provide some peer-reviewed evidence to support your claim regarding the dangers of box-squatting?

[burningNun]

I agree that box squatting is quite dangerous but it should be pretty obvious why they do it.

[jdmalm123]

Originally Posted by Chokenpuke

I sure hope you don't have any of your general population clients tying there own shoes. Sounds dangerous.

Can you provide some peer-reviewed evidence to support your claim regarding the dangers of box-squatting?

Stuart McGill, PhD has some compelling research data on the severity of spinal loading's potentially crippling effects.

That said, Mcgill is a proponent of properly trained and executed moves (like squatting and olympic lifts).

Personally, bad squatting and deadlifting earned me a spine surgery.
Now I use good squatting an deadlifting to keep my spine healthy.

When I actually herniated two discs, I was throwing a softball.

[nickmanzoni]

Originally Posted by jdmalm123

Stuart McGill, PhD has some compelling research data on the severity of spinal loading's potentially crippling effects.

That said, Mcgill is a proponent of properly trained and executed moves (like squatting and olympic lifts).

Personally, bad squatting and deadlifting earned me a spine surgery.
Now I use good squatting an deadlifting to keep my spine healthy.

When I actually herniated two discs, I was throwing a softball.

Perfecto.

[ThatArmyKid]

Originally Posted by nickmanzoni

This is where I could not disagree more.

THE PROBLEM with "standard" bodybuilding is that if the form is even slightly off, then the results could cause injury in the long run. If done properly, more muscles are recruited in synergy to reduce chances of injury.

I just can't stress how much injury one occurs in a box squat, no one, not a single person, can disagree with the fundamental notion that being in a seated position over time reduces hip mobility and causes lower back pain.

That being said: WHY ON EARTH would one want to add an additional 400 lbs to their spine and hips in that same seated position?

PL'ers can learn alot from a simple anatomy book.

I guess I should stop doing box squats

[Govithoy]

Originally Posted by ThatArmyKid

I guess I should stop doing box squats

Yeah you might get weak glutes and hams from sitting down so much.

[nickmanzoni]

Originally Posted by ThatArmyKid

I guess I should stop doing box squats

You're in the wrong forum my friend.

[Halothane]

The major problem with most powerlifters is a sacral apex, purpura...etc.

[BEhave]

Originally Posted by Halothane

The major problem with most powerlifters is a sacral apex, purpura...etc.

Que?

Powerlifters do what they need to to improve their lifts. I personally have never done box squats, but I'm pretty sure coaches for teams like football have their players do them.

[bigfrog]

Originally Posted by BEhave

Que?

LOL......

[BEhave]

Originally Posted by bigfrog

LOL......

Is he saying that powerlifters have weak hips?

[ProteinGram48]

Originally Posted by nickmanzoni

You're in the wrong forum my friend.

I see a statement, but I don't see elaboration.

[nickmanzoni]

Originally Posted by ProteinGram48

I see a statement, but I don't see elaboration.

If he's going to preach about PL'ing, then go to the powerlifter's thread. If on the otherhand he's asking HOW to train a powerlifter, then that's fine.

[Halothane]

Originally Posted by BEhave

Powerlifters do what they need to to improve their lifts.

I doubt your knowledge on Bulgarian's training methodology and types of training. Also, I never used Box squat and I probably never will...its against the first law of Newton's and all the biomechanics I've learned.

[BEhave]

Originally Posted by Halothane

I doubt your knowledge on Bulgarian's training methodology and types of training. Also, I never used Box squat and I probably never will...its against the first law of Newton's and all the biomechanics I've learned.

I doubt my knowledge in that area too. So why do you think they do box squats then?

Are you a powerlifter? And just how strong are you?

[nickmanzoni]

Wrong Thread!!!!!!

[Halothane]

Originally Posted by BEhave

So why do you think they do box squats then?

And just how strong are you?

Many well-built athletes, even pro bodybuilders, have no idea how they got where they are. With few exceptions, elite bodybuilders are the last people in the world you want to turn to for bodybuilding advice if you're genetically average like 98% of us.

[ProteinGram48]

Originally Posted by Halothane

Many well-built athletes, even pro bodybuilders, have no idea how they got where they are. With few exceptions, elite bodybuilders are the last people in the world you want to turn to for bodybuilding advice if you're genetically average like 98% of us.

soooo what you are saying is ... if i want to get into bodybuilding, i shouldnt ask an elite, pro bodybuilder how to go about doing it??????? and i should ask a personal trainer and his bosu ball?