training help

[the_jks]

hey , ive been training for about 6.5 monthe now first 4 months wasting my time with universial machines , till i finally moved to barbell training ,anyway ive been doing linear weight 5x5 for the last 2.5 months with a little slow down in the middle of the 2.5 for 1 month.

my workout is ,

workout A
squat 5x5
bench 5x5
deadlift 5x5
incline bench 3x5
dips 3x10
push ups 5x10
abs abd lower back extensions 5x10

workout B
squat 5x5
standing press 5x5
cleans 5x5
pendlay rows 5x5
pull ups 3x5
abs 5x10

every once and a while i through in arms

questions is , after reading rippetoes starting strength i think im doing it all wrong ripptoes is 3x5 not to mention id guess im still a beginer traine maybe not , but im new to barbell , should i lower the tempo and drop back to a 3x5 with heavier weight , move the pendlay rows to workout A and follow this routine from now on out progressing as staring strength suggests?

"Workout 1
Squats = 3 x 5
Bench = 3 x 5
Deadlift = 1 x 5
Dips = 3 sets
Pendlay rows = 3 x 5
Abs = 3 sets

Workout 2
Squats = 3 x 5
Overhead press = 3 x 5
Power clean = 3 x 5
Pullups = 3 sets
Abs = 3 sets

This is a slightly more advanced version, and is not for "novice consumption". Tad_T is/was an experienced individual so he was able to incorporate this into his training plan successfully."

what do u guys with some years under the bar suggest?

[buffingtonr]

Ripptoe's guide is great for beginners. I actually did this for a few months after I was 6 or so months into lifting. If you're looking for a different routine, check out the Tri-phase training series on BB. I'm about to start doing this and it seems pretty cool to me.

What ever workout routine you do, the most important thing is to concentrate on PERFECT form. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect Practice makes Perfect. Get your muscles to memorize the correct form. Any routine will work if you stick with it and have the correct diet for your goals.

[fennway4414]

Seems like way too many lifts. Simplicity > over complication.

[cjdelaney]

Originally Posted by buffingtonr

Ripptoe's guide is great for beginners. I actually did this for a few months after I was 6 or so months into lifting. If you're looking for a different routine, check out the Tri-phase training series on BB. I'm about to start doing this and it seems pretty cool to me.

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ignore this.^




run SS to the letter.

[Chokenpuke]

Originally Posted by cjdelaney

run SS to the letter.

Do this.

Originally Posted by the_jks

questions is , after reading rippetoes starting strengthI'm guessing you didn't really read it i think im doing it all wrong ripptoes is 3x5 not to mention id guess im still a beginer traine maybe not , but im new to barbell , should i lower the tempo and drop back to a 3x5 with heavier weight , move the pendlay rows to workout A and follow this routine from now on out progressing as staring strength suggests?

"Workout 1
Squats = 3 x 5
Bench = 3 x 5
Deadlift = 1 x 5
Dips = 3 sets
Pendlay rows = 3 x 5
Abs = 3 sets

Workout 2
Squats = 3 x 5
Overhead press = 3 x 5
Power clean = 3 x 5
Pullups = 3 sets
Abs = 3 sets

This is a slightly more advanced version, and is not for "novice consumption". Tad_T is/was an experienced individual so he was able to incorporate this into his training plan successfully."

what do u guys with some years under the bar suggest?

This^^^ is not SS to the letter.

[the_jks]

Originally Posted by Chokenpuke

Do this.




This^^^ is not SS to the letter.

i know my first work out was dirrived from random threads , i realized it was too much after reading starting strength, but since ive been over doing it and have been straining my body for over 6 months should i not follow a more intermediate routine?

or just drop what im doing and start from scratch with rippetoes ss word for word ? untill progression stops? then go from there?

oh and i have actually droped weight in all my lifts to work on forum , which all still need work

edit: ive decided to train strength/power with hopes of competive pl one day, we'll see? just so you guys know where im at im not bodybuilding for asthetics.

[Chokenpuke]

Originally Posted by the_jks

or just drop what im doing and start from scratch with rippetoes ss word for word ? untill progression stops? then go from there

oh and i have actually droped weight in all my lifts to work on forum , which all still need work

Tadaaa!

[the_jks]

Originally Posted by cjdelaney

ignore this.^




run SS to the letter.

Originally Posted by Chokenpuke

Tadaaa!

thanks guys , i start tonight.

[the_jks]

what do you guys suggest for my cleans 3x5 or 5x3 ? and should i through pendlay rows in on the day i do bench and deads?

[Chokenpuke]

Originally Posted by cjdelaney

run SS to the letter.

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[the_jks]

Originally Posted by Chokenpuke

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right , fyi im reading the sticky i dont have the book , and im not buying it.
i take it you read the book, because in the sticky there is alot of bullsh*t added. making it hard to tell whats ss and whats variations that some joeblow came up with, so dont bother posting ...... its not at all usefull.

qoute from the sticky;
In Practical Programming, due out the 1st or 2nd week of December 2006, Rippetoe recommends that a set/rep scheme of 5x3 (5 sets, 3 reps, instead of 3 sets, 5 reps) can be performed on the power clean, and is possibly advantageous, especially once power clean technique improves.

so is it advantageous ? id say my clean is decient and im used to doing 5x5?

and i just notice rippetoe dosent endorse the pendlay rows mixed in the routine , my bad

[Chokenpuke]

The book is 30 bucks and will answer all of these questions in great detail with no confusing input from the internet. **** man. If you are serious about doing this program buy the f@8king book and get to work.

[the_jks]

i know theres guys on this site that can give valuable information based on my training circumstances ( stated above ) , i have no acess to a personal trainer, i train alone , teach myself and from what i understand if i take a leap back in my traing going from 5x5 with accessorys to the basic 3x5 am i not slowing progression?
it would be very simple if i hadent been traing like i have for 6 months id start ss and it would be a hard workout , but ss is gonna feel like a walk in the park.

see where im coming from?

[Chokenpuke]

Good luck then. Bye.

[the_jks]

Originally Posted by Chokenpuke

Good luck then. Bye.

peace man , anyone here with input thats been a member longer than me?, and actually has a bodyspace or some kind of source to back them up?
i need a crediable source of information

[isaku900]

Originally Posted by the_jks

peace man , anyone here with input thats been a member longer than me?, and actually has a bodyspace or some kind of source to back them up?
i need a crediable source of information

nope, not other than:

Originally Posted by cjdelaney

run SS to the letter.

[Chokenpuke]

Swolegantor? He's just down the street from you.

[the_jks]

Originally Posted by isaku900

nope, not other than:

see, no offence chokeandpuke , he just seems more crediable .
thanks for taking the time to guide my ignorant ass, i should have just shutup up and listened. gtg gym time ss word for word .

p.s. im buying the book tomorrow and starting from scratch

[isaku900]

Originally Posted by the_jks

see, no offence chokeandpuke , he just seems more crediable .
thanks for taking the time to guide my ignorant ass, i should have just shutup up and listened. gtg gym time ss word for word .

p.s. im buying the book tomorrow and starting from scratch

i see...we'll just have to work on that whole space-time continumn and get chokenpuke's join date to retrograde a few years, and we'll also have to get him mod-repped a couple times so that ignorant people such as yourself (ignorant said with no malice, you've said yourself that you don't know what you're doing); will take his word at face value instead of having to have several others repeat it.

[sickonstorm]

Originally Posted by isaku900

i see...we'll just have to work on that whole space-time continumn and get chokenpuke's join date to retrograde a few years, and we'll also have to get him mod-repped a couple times so that ignorant people such as yourself (ignorant said with no malice, you've said yourself that you don't know what you're doing); will take his word at face value instead of having to have several others repeat it.

you know whats funny theres a 6'4 300 pound mod in the workout section with 13k reps (low for a mod) when sawstea and boyscout who are small as shiet have 800k ha

[the_jks]

Originally Posted by isaku900

i see...we'll just have to work on that whole space-time continumn and get chokenpuke's join date to retrograde a few years, and we'll also have to get him mod-repped a couple times so that ignorant people such as yourself (ignorant said with no malice, you've said yourself that you don't know what you're doing); will take his word at face value instead of having to have several others repeat it.

thats the ****ty thing about the internet, now isint it?
you would think all you guys with 100s of post would understand but, if you look at my reputation its proof you dont.

isiak from you bodyspace , pictures and join date i can come to a assumption that u actually train and might have a clue what your talking about, you post alone did prove anything 4 post saying the same comfirimed me to start from scratch and give in to chokeenpuke and buy the book , as a new poster i laugh at the fact to neg rep me i have nothing to go by but bodyspace rep power and join date i dont know you , or have even read any of your previous posts so to neg me and say this " i said nothing different from chokenpuke and his advice is just as sound as mine, regardless of bodyspace, reps, or join date." is not needed , now thanks to you it will be even harded for me to get info off this site since it seems to be a trend to look down on people in the red.

peace

[isaku900]

you could also whine about getting negged for not following sound advice.

wait...


also:

why didn't you listen to CJ? three people said the same thing.

your reason for taking mine holds little water.

[Chokenpuke]

The "****ty" thing about the internet is that people try to use it to circumvent their laziness.

[the_jks]

yeah and you get *******s like you trying to act smart , none of you answered with any context , none had any reasoning to starting over , and buddy who neged me if you read my last post above yours youd see you were the icing on the cake , the fouth to same the samething , you contributed but your word was not the only one i listened to, btw i already thanked CJ chokeenpuke for there resonse then i asked based on my research and my progress another question, and got the same response?

i take posts with a grain of salt thats why i usually just read others posts and dont post myself
but if i listened to the first response id probally still be 145lbs and if i was lacking research abilitys i wouldnt be hear trying to ask for direction after researching ?

i was wrong to think this form had any knowlege other then ive already read in the stickys my bad?
hahaha

[sickonstorm]

Originally Posted by the_jks

yeah and you get *******s like you trying to act smart , none of you answered with any context , none had any reasoning to starting over , and buddy who neged me if you read my last post above yours youd see you were the icing on the cake , the fouth to same the samething , you contributed but your word was not the only one i listened to, btw i already thanked CJ chokeenpuke for there resonse then i asked based on my research and my progress , and got the same response?

i take posts with a grain of salt thats why i usually just read others posts and dont post myself
but if i listened to the first response id probally still be 145lbs and if i was lacking research abilitys i wouldnt be hear trying to ask for direction after researching ?

hahaha

iskusthe sam age as you and 120 pounds heavier bruh.

[the_jks]

whoa i just realized im defending myself on the internet, i think its time to leave this one alone

[Chokenpuke]

On the contrary, the fact that you are here after researching is a perfect example of your piss-poor ability to do research. When researching it is often a wise idea to look for things which contain accurate information about the subject you are researching. In this example you were looking for infromation on a strength training program which is known as Starting Strength. If you knew there was a book which shares this title, would it not seem logical to start there?


Oh and you're welcome.

[the_jks]

Originally Posted by sickonstorm

iskusthe sam age as you and 120 pounds heavier bruh.

also 5" taller and probally been training for a couple years too? point being?

[the_jks]

Originally Posted by Chokenpuke

On the contrary, the fact that you are here after researching is a perfect example of your piss-poor ability to do research. When researching it is often a wise idea to look for things which contain accurate information about the subject you are researching. In this example you were looking for infromation on a strength training program which is known as Starting Strength. If you knew there was a book which shares this title, would it not seem logical to start there?


Oh and you're welcome.

lol k man , good point , except i learned there was a book from the sticky and figured the sticky would not be a sticky if it was missinforming people? maybe the mod should delete that one and just have a link to buy the book it would have saved all this bull we got going on in this post

which should be locked by the way now thats its way off topic

[Chokenpuke]

I would agree.


For the record, I'm not Mark Rippetoe.