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[seish]

Is it worth the money?

[Entkommen115]

I think you want the nutrition section champ

[db2000]

Originally Posted by Entkommen115

I think you want the nutrition section champ

I think he is asking here, because it is aimed at powerlifters.

There is nothing that they make that makes my eyes pop out of my head.

PS people support them because they "give back to the powerlifting community"

[Arlecchino]

None of their products appear to be anything special, yet nothing really appears to be wrong with them. Since I cannot sleep once again, all product info is directly from their website. Note: I have used none of their products, so all of my comments are purely theoretical.

Nitrean 4.6 lbs - $52.95

* 24g of protein per serving
* both "fast" and "slow" acting proteins for ultimate bioavailability
* only 1 gram of fat per serving


Serving Size: 30g
Servings per container: 70
Container size: 4.6 lbs
Supplement Facts
Serving size 1 scoop (30 g)
Serving Per Container 70
Amount Per Serving %DV
Calories 110
Calories from Fat 9
Total Fat 1g 1%*
Total Carbohydrate <2g <1%*
Protein 24g 48%*
Calcium 175 mg 18%*
Phosphorus 75 mg 8%*
Magnesium 10 mg 2%*
Sodium 75 mg 3%*
Potassium 99 mg 3%*
Ornithine (as L-ornithine) 670 mg **
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet
** Daily Value not established.
Other Ingredients: Nitrean Protein Matrix ? (blend of whey isolates hydrolyzed whey and whey concentrate contains ~45% lactoglobulin; ~20% lactalbumin; ~15% glycomacropeptides; ~10% immunoglobulins; ~6% bovine serum albumin; ~1% lactoperoxidase. protease-peptone, and lysozyme). Isolated casein peptides, instantized egg albumen, glutamine peptides. Natural and artificial flavors. Cocoa, guar gum. Sucralose, acesulfame potassium.

Blend. Looks pretty good. In the supp section, a lot of people agonize over 5% differences between isolate and concentrate. Never really noticed a big deal personally. I much prefer a blend, and could see myself using this product, but like the one I use currently (BSN Syntha-6)



Maximus - $54.95

* Explosive growth
* Unrivaled Recovery
* Reduced Muscle Soreness
* Superior Net Protein Retention


Serving Size: 160g
Servings per container: 20
Container size: 7.0 lbs

MAXIMUS Protein Matrix? consists of ultra-filtrated whey protein concentrate, isolated casein peptides, total milk protein isolates, whey protein isolates, glutamine peptides, and instantized egg albumin to provide an optimal source of protein to fuel massive GROWTH!

Microlactin? is a special protein which exerts powerful ergogenic effects on the human body. Microlactin? will reduce delayed onset muscular soreness, dramatically improve recovery, and help with joint pain. You can train harder and longer when using Microlactin?.

Inulin is a fructan which has been demonstrated to produce numerous health benefits to include enhanced immune function, enhanced absorption of specific minerals, the lowering of serum triglycerides, and in promoting nitrogen balance. Optimal health promotes optimal progress in the gym.

Packed with growth promoting calories and ingredients, MAXIMUS? will help you to unleash the mass-monster that dwells within!

Nothing special here. Have not seen much in the way of peer reviewed research supporting the claims of the two compounds noted above. Have heard claims from fanboys, which means less than nothing in my opinion. Until I see some solid science backing it up, I will stick to a regular protein blend

Opticen - $49.95

* Maximizes Post Workout protein synthesis
* Greater net protein retention
* 40g of protein per serving
* 26 key Vitamins and Minerals


Serving Size: 90g
Servings per container: 23
Container size: 4.6 lbs

The amino acids from the protein work synergistically with the insulin to further enhance the net positive protein state.
A study by Tarnopolsky et. al., is cited, yet that study does not support this claim. I despise broscience and false marketing claims. Yes, studies show insulin response, amino acid availability, etc., but the study cited does not show any evidence of synergy.

ETS - $35.95

* Dramatically reduced recovery time
* Improved Muscular Endurance and Strength
* Significantly improves temporary joint pain and stiffness


Serving Size: 4 Capsules
Servings Per Container: 60

ETS - $35.95

* Dramatically reduced recovery time
* Improved Muscular Endurance and Strength
* Significantly improves temporary joint pain and stiffness


Serving Size: 4 Capsules
Servings Per Container: 60

This is backed by a ton of broscience, fanboy claims, and rah-rah cheerleader crap. There is a mention of an unpublished study from the creator of a similar product that inspired the creation of this one. Do not think this will make it past peer review. Otherwise, not much info available.

Results - $49.95

* Dramatically Increased Strength
* Promotes Blistering Intensity
* Supports HUGE Increases in Training Volume
* Increased Lean Muscle Mass


Serving Size: 94.5g
Servings per container: 30
Container size: 6.25 lbs

RESULTS? consists of 4 individual ingredients: dextrose, Creapure? creatine monohydrate, β-Alanine, and HMB. As with all of our products, each ingredient is included at a scientifically proven viable dose. We never include an ingredient just for a label claim.

Creatine, β-Alanine, and HMB have been proven to work synergistically to increase strength, lean muscle mass, aid in body fat loss, increase muscular endurance, and promote greater training intensity in the gym. No other product on the market will help you to achieve your resistance training goals like RESULTS?.

Okay, 80 grams of dextrose, which is a good amount of PWO carbs. β-Alanine, 3.5 grams, 5 grams of creatine, and HMB. In addition to the sugar, creatine is good for those who respond to it, β-Alanine shows a decent amount of potential to assist with recovery, and HMB is as useless as an a$$hole on a statue. I have yet to see a strength athlete get anything out of this compound. And I have yet to see a study supporting the synergy of these compounds, particularly these four used in conjunction.

"Creatine Caps - $23.95

* Increased muscular size
* Increase muscular strength
* Antioxidant properties
* Body fat loss aid


Serving Size: 7 Capsules
Servings Per Container: ~42

Use powder, cheaper.

Creatine 500 - $14.50

* proven to build lean mass
* proven to build strength
* proven to increase performance


Serving Size: 5g
Servings per container: 100
Container size: 500g

Can get it cheaper a lot of places, including this site.

Fish Oil - $9.95

* reduce triglyceride levels
* maintains the elasticity of artery walls
* stabilize heart rhythm
* possibly reduce blood pressure


Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 90

Good stuff, everyone should supplement this for many reasons. Get it a lot cheaper at Wal-Mart.

Multi Plus - $19.95

* supports Intense training
* supports good health
* provides vitamins and minerals crucial for success


Serving Size: 3 Tablets
Servings Per Container: 30

No real breakdown on micronutrients, including method of processing minerals (oxidized vs. chelated). Can get a multi a lot cheaper.

Nitor - $44.95

* proven to increase fat loss
* get ?jacked? for your workout
* gives you the energy to power through the day
* helps to suppress appetite


Serving Size: 3 Capsules
Servings Per Container: 60

7-Keto ?: promotes thermogenesis via enhancement of 3 thermogenic enzymes (glycerol-3-phosphate dehydrongenase, malic enzyme, and fatty acyl CoA oxidase). In addition, 7-Keto ? has been shown to function like the mother of all thermogenics, thyroid hormone, via an increased production of T3.

Glucomannan: is a highly viscous dietary fiber which has been shown to induce weight loss via its ability to affect absorption thus promoting satiety (a ?full? feeling) and its affect on metabolism (1).

Green tea extract: has been shown in the lab to promote thermogenesis, increased fat oxidation, or both to a degree which cannot be accounted for merely by its caffeine content. This is theorized to be a result of the catechins found in green tea (specifically epigallocatechin gallate) which inhibit catechol O-methyltransferase thus possibly increasing or prolonging the effect of norepinephrine on thermogenesis, fat metabolism, or both (2).

Kola nut and guarana extracts: contain forms of caffeine which is well documented to promote thermogenesis and lipolysis (3). Studies indicate that caffeine exerts its thermogenic effects via indirect methods (3). It is likely that substrate cycles related to lactate and triglycerides account for the majority of the thermogenic effect (3). In other words, caffeine cranks up the bodily processes which result in increased plasma lactate and triglycerides thus causing your body to burn additional calories!

No real problem with any of the comments made here, although I dislike the way the word 'proven' is thrown around, but that makes this supplement company no different than any other, IMO. There are far more effective fat burners, IMO.

Thermocin - $29.95

* proven to increase fat loss
* increases energy and mental focus
* suppresses appetite
* inhibits formulation of new fat


Serving Size: 3 Capsules
Servings Per Container: 60

Thermogenesis ? Thermocin contains several powerful ingredients (synephrine, caffeine, and green tea extract) which increase your body?s metabolic rate thus causing you to burn more calories on a daily basis

Sorry, synephrine has never really been shown to do much. Poor man's ephedrine.

Increased Fat Oxidation ? Green tea extract, caffeine, and hydroxycitric acid have all been demonstrated to increase the burning of fat for energy (3,4,6,7). Increased or preferential burning of fat for energy promotes decreased stored body fat and the leaner body you seek!

Green tea extract, yes, to some degree, caffeine, yes to some degree, like most other methylxanthines, but HCA has not been shown to be that effective, whether in vitro or in vivo.

Appetite Suppression ? Uncontrolled appetite and cravings can derail even the most determined of individuals especially in the relatively early to middle stages of your fat loss odyssey. Thermocin addresses this conundrum with the inclusion of hydroxycitric acid which has been demonstrated to have an appetite suppression effect (5). In addition, the powerful stimulants in Thermocin also help to suppress your appetite and thus reduce the total number of calories you consume on a daily basis.

HCA again has not been shown to be a truly effective appetite suppressant.

Increased Energy ? Training and just plain living while in a caloric deficit can really sap your energy leaving you feeling drawn and listless. The stimulants in Thermocin will give you the energy you need to power through your day!

I cannot really dispute this, but coffee is cheaper. I get it at work for free.

[Arlecchino]

Notes on above:

Things I dispute or dislike or would like clarification on are noted as bold, and my comments are in italics.

[Entkommen115]

Originally Posted by db2000

I think he is asking here, because it is aimed at powerlifters.

There is nothing that they make that makes my eyes pop out of my head.

PS people support them because they "give back to the powerlifting community"

Ah I see. I was unaware.

[skinnycalves]

TRAIN HARD ™

"BIG WILLIE" J.T. HALL

yeah bitch i did trademark that expression

[UHCougar05]

I liked Nitrean when I tried it (chocolate was better than the strawberry), but I can't justify spending 52.95 plus shipping on protein powder when I can get a 5lb bag of EAS for 29.99 at Sam's Club.

[Code_B]

Originally Posted by UHCougar05

I liked Nitrean when I tried it (chocolate was better than the strawberry), but I can't justify spending 52.95 plus shipping on protein powder when I can get a 5lb bag of EAS for 29.99 at Sam's Club.

you can get a 10lb bag of scivation whey off bb.com store for 65 shipped to your door. Which I guess is 5 dollars more than you pay.

So much for my infomercial

[Entkommen115]

Originally Posted by Code_B

you can get a 10lb bag of scivation whey off bb.com store for 65 shipped to your door. Which I guess is 5 dollars more than you pay.

So much for my infomercial

BUT DOES IT HAVE THE VITAMINS AND MINERALS??!?!!?!??!!?

[Mitsuomi]

Originally Posted by skinnycalves

TRAIN HARD ?

"BIG WILLIE" J.T. HALL

yeah bitch i did trademark that expression

ROFL!

supplements are useless. most of them dont work besides a few exceptions. food > supps.

[Karl_Hungus]

I've used their protein powder for years. There is really nothing magical about any protein powder, but I like the fact that theirs is a blend and doesn't have a bunch of added crap in it (e.g. added fiber, added fats, etc.). I also like the taste better than most other protein powders....the strawberry is best.

As far as their other products .... I haven't really tried them.

[the_pupil]

Originally Posted by Mitsuomi

ROFL!

supplements are useless. most of them dont work besides a few exceptions. food > supps.

Please explain how most supplements dont work? Just because you did not get any gains from them does not make them useless, especially when there are scientific studies for many supplements to prove they work.

And yes, food is always better than supplements.

[Diana Meeque]

I've tried Nitrean, Results, and ETS.

can't really say much about nitrean...protein is protein right?

ETS worked pretty well imo, but it's not necessary. I got lazy and stopped taking it halfway through the bottle cause I don't need it.

results on the other hand is pretty awesome. After about a week and a half I felt great in the gym. always had a ton of energy to do **** I normally didn't have the energy to do, even cut down my rest periods a lot. on DE days I'd even pace around waiting for time to pass to do my next set, lol.

i guess i'm one of those fanboys, sorry arlecchino

[Arlecchino]

Originally Posted by Diana Meeque

I've tried Nitrean, Results, and ETS.

can't really say much about nitrean...protein is protein right?

ETS worked pretty well imo, but it's not necessary. I got lazy and stopped taking it halfway through the bottle cause I don't need it.

results on the other hand is pretty awesome. After about a week and a half I felt great in the gym. always had a ton of energy to do **** I normally didn't have the energy to do, even cut down my rest periods a lot. on DE days I'd even pace around waiting for time to pass to do my next set, lol.

i guess i'm one of those fanboys, sorry arlecchino

Negs for life.

[db2000]

Originally Posted by the_pupil

Please explain how most supplements dont work? Just because you did not get any gains from them does not make them useless, especially when there are scientific studies for many supplements to prove they work.

And yes, food is always better than supplements.

Ever since I started working with a nutritionist, I feel like I am juiced up to the gills. I have more consistant work outs, better strength levels, leaner, fitter...all only using real food, and a standard protein powder.

Most people cant get the basics right...and think that a powder or pill will make it right. Damn, that was me for years.

I will go back using more supplements (alanine, creatine etc) when I feel I have everything else down 100%