I've been asked to compete !!!..... - (part2) - pics posted

OZBB · 12-01-2008, 08:42 PM

Hi guys,

Me again, have posted some pics on MyBodyspace, here are the links - looking at these pics, I dunno - I look ok but honestly I'd need to really cut and pack on some more lean mass.... a pretty tall order IMHO..I dont know what my trainer was thinking..... I might take some more pics at the gym when I'm fully pumped, for comparison purposes of course

OZBB

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

plmb1 · 12-01-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OZBB

Hi guys,

Me again, have posted some pics on MyBodyspace, here are the links - looking at these pics, I dunno - I look ok but honestly I'd need to really cut and pack on some more lean mass.... a pretty tall order IMHO..I dont know what my trainer was thinking..... I might take some more pics at the gym when I'm fully pumped, for comparison purposes of course

OZBB

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

not bad.......your coming along just fine. I have seen alot worse step on stage. If you want to compete just make sure you are on stage with other first timers and you should do fine.....It really depends on the show you go to....Just remember the first show is not really about winning to me. Its about getting used to the stage and to see if you really like it or not because I have known people that just thought they wanted to compete until they actually stepped on stage. Thats alot of work for someone that is not sure. Who knows, try it you may darn well fall in love with it. If not then you had a learning experience anyway........just my opinion......good luck.

oldsuperman · 12-01-2008, 09:06 PM

You have an athletic build. It will work just fine as a bbing body. The next and most important question is ......

When?

That will determine a lot weather you should compete or not.

stayfit2008 · 12-01-2008, 09:26 PM

Whats your trainer say as far as time frame,..to me you look about 24 weeks out.

Old-Time-Lifter · 12-01-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oldsuperman

You have an athletic build. It will work just fine as a bbing body. The next and most important question is ......

When?

That will determine a lot weather you should compete or not.

That's the man to listen to...........

OZBB · 12-01-2008, 09:29 PM

thanks everyone for the encouraging words, I've come along way in the last 4 years, but I think I've still got a way to go before I step on a stage..... my trainer really thinks he can get me in condition in the next 3-4 months - yeah well good luck with that I say LOL ...... anyway we'll see what 2009 brings - he may get me fired up to do it after all....but even if I dont I'm still doing the Bodyhard challenge, and as you can see my back needs the extra attention... I've always wanted a rippling muscular back...ya think maybe by March 1st I'll have one..

OZBB

one more pic I missed posting from before:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...589843&cat=500

oldsuperman · 12-01-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OZBB

thanks everyone for the encouraging words, I've come along way in the last 4 years, but I think I've still got a way to go before I step on a stage..... my trainer really thinks he can get me in condition in the next 3-4 months - yeah well good luck with that I say LOL ...... anyway we'll see what 2009 brings - he may get me fired up to do it after all....but even if I dont I'm still doing the Bodyhard challenge, and as you can see my back needs the extra attention... I've always wanted a rippling muscular back...ya think maybe by March 1st I'll have one..

OZBB

OOOOoooo boiii.... I would say a year plus. You have the makings, yet I guess it depends how competitive you want to be? IMO. I do think you should do it tho if you really want to. If you do it right, it will be one of the toughest things you will ever do.

OZBB · 12-01-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by oldsuperman

OOOOoooo boiii.... I would say a year plus.

and I totally agree with you..... you know I'm not going to set myself up for failure - so another year it is..... I'm happy with what I've achieved so far....but I have a lot to learn.... think I'll just be happy being happy

OZBB

kimm4 · 12-01-2008, 10:55 PM

You have a nice base to work with. If it were me I would focus on adding a little more overall size for the next year. Then maybe shoot for the stage in spring/summer of 2010. I think that would give you a good amount of time to play with. Meanwhile, hit a couple local shows and check out the competition...gives you an idea of what you would be up against. I know the natty shows have bantam weight classes and they're some pretty solid physiques on the stage. Natty shows are all about conditioning...so work on bringing your A game for sure!!

Good luck!!

The_Warhammer · 12-01-2008, 11:17 PM

Go for it!!! Bare minimum, set that goal for 12 months away and work towards it. If things don't pan out, at least you will have had a good solid 12 months of training under your belt. But the proper mental picture should be that in 12 months, you will be competitive.

Got for it! Can I have an autograph now? ;-)

oldsuperman · 12-02-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Warhammer

Go for it!!! Bare minimum, set that goal for 12 months away and work towards it. If things don't pan out, at least you will have had a good solid 12 months of training under your belt.

Well not quite accurate here. You accuately will only have about 8 months of training in one year to gain muscle. You need the last 16 to 18 wks for conditioning! This will be the most important part of your plan.

CONDITIONING IS WHERE THE MEN ARE SEPERATED FROM THE BOYS!

Many a competitor will waste his time and all his work because of poor, or bad conditioning.

I still think you shoud do it.

gbg · 12-02-2008, 12:32 AM

I agree with OS, you have an athletic build and look good, with time put in you could rock the stage, I have seen people with less than you have to start out with compete.
Great work!

OZBB · 12-02-2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by oldsuperman

I still think you shoud do it.

thanks for the vote of confidence......... I think I'll target March 2010.... my trainer is doing a comp in March 2009 so I think I'll train along side him and follow his lead (up to a point) it'll give me a sense of what it takes... then toward the end of 2009 start conditioning and concentrating on the big day for myself....

OZBB

oldsuperman · 12-02-2008, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OZBB

thanks for the vote of confidence......... I think I'll target March 2010.... my trainer is doing a comp in March 2009 so I think I'll train along side him and follow his lead (up to a point) it'll give me a sense of what it takes... then toward the end of 2009 start conditioning and concentrating on the big day for myself....

OZBB

That sounds like a good plan! Now put in the time and train like a mad man.

jimmoore · 12-02-2008, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OZBB

thanks everyone for the encouraging words, I've come along way in the last 4 years, but I think I've still got a way to go before I step on a stage..... my trainer really thinks he can get me in condition in the next 3-4 months - yeah well good luck with that I say LOL ...... anyway we'll see what 2009 brings - he may get me fired up to do it after all....but even if I dont I'm still doing the Bodyhard challenge, and as you can see my back needs the extra attention... I've always wanted a rippling muscular back...ya think maybe by March 1st I'll have one..

OZBB

one more pic I missed posting from before:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...589843&cat=500

Bro the only person who decides if you compete is you, its you who'll be doing the intensive workouts and cardio on limited carbs, it you who will be physically and mentally depleted.but saying that use this as your launch pad, amke a plan, your plan and go for it! we need more competitors, its the same old faces stepping up there and anyone who gets to the stage in their best condition is a winner in my eyes!

BuckSpin · 12-02-2008, 05:37 AM

I agree with the others. You definitely have the "raw canvas" to paint your own personal masterpiece. My initial comment would be that you will definitely need to be RIPPED, and that is gonna take a while. A good, slow cut could take 4-6 months depending on metabolism, starting BF, etc.

I think your 12 month plan is EXCELLENT! Go for it!!

BuckSpin · 12-02-2008, 05:41 AM

OZBB, you inspired me to make public knowledge the worst keep secret on the O35:

*deep breath*

I too have plans to compete.....

My target date is late Autumn 2011.

There....now I HAVE to bust my @$$!!!!

*staring at the "Submit Reply" button like its gonna launch nukes*............................................ ............................... click

someday · 12-02-2008, 05:55 AM

ozzb...think u have the right idea in eating & training another year before even thinking about stepping on stage. i'm 5'6" & in my avi i weighed in @ 136#. a 5'6" guy should weigh in more than that imo.

buckspin....with that said....u need 2 eat & train longer unless u want to go on stage looking like a runner. 6' & 188# to start....not even close to what a 6' guy should weigh up on stage. u'd end up in the lgt. heavies & won't stand a chance against the short stalky guys. why bother?!

JOHN GARGANI · 12-02-2008, 05:57 AM

are you guys kidding? why the caution?

OZB: you have tremendous balance already and a fantastic foundation....

you take a mere 10 pounds off this guy, shave him and tan him up and he would be able to get onstage in a local novice natural event.....

yes, he would need even more conditioning to win and yes, he will lose some of that size when he trains down for the event, but I agree wholeheartedly with the trainer: GO FOR IT!!!!

BuckSpin · 12-02-2008, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by someday

buckspin....with that said....u need 2 eat & train longer unless u want to go on stage looking like a runner. 6' & 188# to start....not even close to what a 6' guy should weigh up on stage. u'd end up in the lgt. heavies & won't stand a chance against the short stalky guys. why bother?!

So you think I can't add enough lean mass over the next 3 years to even make it worth while???

Baldiewonkanobi · 12-02-2008, 07:19 AM

Oz and Buck you are both comming from opposite directions. Oz you need another 8 months/year to solidify your mass then condition for your show. You will do well. Buck, you need to feed the beast and force on some mass. You too will do well. Pick your show now a year out and attend, taking it all in. Talk to the contestants and after the show visit with the judges letting them know you will see them next year from stage level. Hey, wait a minute....that's my plan.

DeathtoToasters · 12-02-2008, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by oldsuperman

Well not quite accurate here. You accuately will only have about 8 months of training in one year to gain muscle. You need the last 16 to 18 wks for conditioning! This will be the most important part of your plan.

CONDITIONING IS WHERE THE MEN ARE SEPERATED FROM THE BOYS!

Many a competitor will waste his time and all his work because of poor, or bad conditioning.

I still think you shoud do it.

Just curious, can you define exactly what you mean by 'conditioning'

Thanks

Old-Time-Lifter · 12-02-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckSpin

So you think I can't add enough lean mass over the next 3 years to even make it worth while???

I think you can. I think what she's trying to say is you really need to bust your butt and gain some mass.

She's right, if you come up against a 5'8" guy who's the same weight you're going to look skinny. Short guys clearly have an advantage in this regard.

That said, absolutely you can do it. SO...........Just do it............

Yeah that would make a great ad promotion.......

ironwill2008 · 12-02-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathtoToasters

Just curious, can you define exactly what you mean by 'conditioning'

Thanks

Cutting bodyfat down to competition level-6% or less. Very difficult. Very.

JOHN GARGANI · 12-02-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ironwill2008

Cutting bodyfat down to competition level-6% or less. Very difficult. Very.

ditto......painful......and necessary in order to compete for the win.....

you could get on stage with a higher percentage, and certainly look good, by any normal standards and say you did it, but probably won't be able to win....

definition is a top priority in these natural contests.....

all things being equal, the guy with similar definition and more size will beat you, but you have to have the definition to be in the running.....

anyone who hasn't brought themselves down to those levels before are in for a shock! HHHAHHAHHAH.......

mavrick77 · 12-02-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OZBB

Hi guys,

Me again, have posted some pics on MyBodyspace, here are the links - looking at these pics, I dunno - I look ok but honestly I'd need to really cut and pack on some more lean mass.... a pretty tall order IMHO..I dont know what my trainer was thinking..... I might take some more pics at the gym when I'm fully pumped, for comparison purposes of course

OZBB

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

I think your trainer might be tight and need more sessions ..so he can make more money getting you ready for a show.

its not the question of weather you can compete or not...anyone can compete. The question is where do you wanna compete.... do you wanna be one of the bigger guys on stage, or do you wanna be the guy who is 150lbs on stage..cut , but no mass behind it.... you need to decide what your goals are.

crap, i had to edit this...saw your 156 now...means you would be getting on stage at about 125ish....that would be tiny for any class. sorry man.

bodyhard · 12-02-2008, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OZBB

Hi guys,

Me again, have posted some pics on MyBodyspace, here are the links - looking at these pics, I dunno - I look ok but honestly I'd need to really cut and pack on some more lean mass.... a pretty tall order IMHO..I dont know what my trainer was thinking..... I might take some more pics at the gym when I'm fully pumped, for comparison purposes of course

OZBB

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/...&ppuser=314115

Anyone can go on stage, what you would look like under the lights is another monster.

IMO you have a good foundation to work with. Are you ready now? Of course not but that is not what we are saying now are we? Will you be ready in 8 months, a year, a year an a half? Only you will know that. If you know what it takes and you put in the time and dedication it takes, to not only get on stage but to come in at a competitive shape against all the other people who will show up, once again that is entirely up to you

As we can see from the pics we can clearly see that you have the physique for it, the question lies on, do you as a person have the mental drive and dedication to put in the constant hours (diet,training and contest prep) that people like Old Supe, Baldie, Mr.S , etc etc have? If you do, and only you know that, then I say you definitely have a chance.

namtrag · 12-02-2008, 08:33 AM

Go for it, but take a lot of time, listen to the guys on here that have competed, and schedule out your goals in writing so you can hold yourself to them. I want to do a show too someday, but losing the necessary 40lbs is proving to be a daunting task, but I haven't given up!

Live the dream, what do you have to lose?

Baldiewonkanobi · 12-02-2008, 08:57 AM

Me too...I want to hear Ol Supe's definition of "conditioning". I can tell you mine.

Once you have dieted off your body fat and are near your contest weight goal it is time to work on isometric posing for one. That is hold each mandantory pose as hard as you feaking can for as long as you can with a relaxed smile on your face and zero shaking. This can take weeks if not months. It is also a period where you hold your "look" for weeks on end with the exception of the tricky art of filling the muscles with glycogen the week of your show. I try a test run of the later about 3 weeks out. During this conditioning period you need to stretch, extreem cardio (I like car pushing), purify your diet, nail your posing routine, massage, skin and skin color prep, burn off/remove unwanted skin tags/moles/lipomas, experiment with water retention/depletion, and up like crazy reps on all exercises. At this point I polish the nuances such as lower back, intercostals, serratus, and leg separation with sissy squats and medicine ball lifts and other isolation movements. All of this will differ with each athlete.

Sounds like a lot of fun....still want to compete?

BuckSpin · 12-02-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Old-Time-Lifter

I think you can. I think what she's trying to say is you really need to bust your butt and gain some mass.

She's right, if you come up against a 5'8" guy who's the same weight you're going to look skinny. Short guys clearly have an advantage in this regard.

I'm all ears, or would all mouth be better?

I posted this a while ago:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=112162741

If its just an issue of a few extra hundred cals/day I can do that NO problem. I have absolutely no interest in any dirty bulking whatsoever, but would be very open to any help/suggestions as to some culking as far as %s of macros and overall cals. "Just eat more" ain't gonna cut it.....sorry. I would appreciate knowing what & when.