can anyone actually say this?
I've done blood work for 3 diff otc cycles. 1 of which used nolva, and 2 of which used OTC. after each PCT my test was inbetween 525-550 while i normally rest right around 575.
so can anyone give me blood work to back up the "FACT" that serms are more effective for OTC cycles than OTC pct? Cause as far as my blood work has shown, that is nowhere near the truth.
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View Poll Results: have you gotten blood work for both otc pct's and serm pcts?
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yes i have done both. my test was higher when using a serm for pct than otc pct
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yes i have done both. my test was higher when using an otc pct than when using a serm
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No i haven't and when I say nolva > otc pct its because i'm a sheeple
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No. I just read what old members wrote and repeat it like a parrot.
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11-30-2008, 10:39 AM #1Gettin' Big Now...
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I have used both OTC pct and SERM pct and have blood work to prove SERMS are better..
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11-30-2008, 10:44 AM #2Registered User
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hhhuuumm, this'll be interesting.......I'd like to know myself
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11-30-2008, 10:46 AM #3Gettin' Big Now...
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this thread was almost made as a joke.Originally Posted by Xander
there is NO ONE who has gotten blood work on both and can sit here and show me a significant difference in total/free test.I got no strings to hold me down
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11-30-2008, 10:51 AM #4Registered User
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<<<<doesn't know what a sheeple is
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11-30-2008, 10:51 AM #5Registered User
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WRONG,WRONG,WRONG.Originally Posted by VaughnTrue
I've done it.
Perfect return to pre-cycle baseline values,only 7-10 more days rquired on OTC but I felt alot better than on clomid.
Take this as it is: a fact.
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11-30-2008, 10:53 AM #6Gettin' Big Now...
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and what was your OTC pct?Originally Posted by THEHUGE
but you ARE admitting an otc brought you back to baseline in 5 weeks as opposed to 4?I got no strings to hold me down
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11-30-2008, 10:55 AM #7Registered User
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No love for Leather Jacket as PCT ?
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11-30-2008, 10:56 AM #8Gettin' Big Now...
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sheep + people = sheepleOriginally Posted by joeodam
<<<<doesn't know what a sheeple is lolI got no strings to hold me down
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11-30-2008, 10:57 AM #9Registered User
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Yes sir.Originally Posted by VaughnTrue
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11-30-2008, 11:00 AM #10
i wonder what the results would have been with no pct? but that is an unnecessary risk to take.
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11-30-2008, 11:00 AM #11Gettin' Big Now...
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awesomeOriginally Posted by THEHUGE
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11-30-2008, 11:02 AM #12Registered User
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i never did blood work but recovered fine on both. also to note i only used otc on the weaker ph'sOriginally Posted by THEHUGE
just wanted to reiterate that clomid is hell
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11-30-2008, 11:08 AM #13Registered User
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Clomid is VERY effective and VERY fast,but some people just don't like how they feel on it.And it's NOT always necessary. Btw definitely not the evil!!!Originally Posted by iw1
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11-30-2008, 11:12 AM #14Registered User
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my experience with it was hell went through horrible depression. the boys did come back quickly but for me the mental part wasn't worth it.Originally Posted by THEHUGE
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11-30-2008, 11:13 AM #15Registered User
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chalk this up as the one thing I've learned today. a tip of the cap to you I supposeOriginally Posted by VaughnTrue
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11-30-2008, 11:13 AM #16Gettin' Big Now...
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hmmm interesting... where are all the "YOU NEED A SERM BRAH!!!" guys now?
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11-30-2008, 11:17 AM #17EAT MORE
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obviously everyone gets effected diff..one guy came back better with a SERM the other with OTC...the facts is both work..some better then the other for diff people..big whoopdy doo... the threads/arguing isnt going to stop cus one worked better just for you...
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11-30-2008, 11:18 AM #18Registered User
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Hopefully migrated somewhere else buddy.Originally Posted by VaughnTrue
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11-30-2008, 11:19 AM #19Registered User
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When I first started on this site, I was quick to fire off you should have a SERM, so yes, I admit to being a parrot at first. But after doing some of MY own research and not going off of what everyone else says, I have found OTC to be very effective. I also am talking to a few bio/med students at my school and trying to get them to do some research with the grants they can get...I dont know if its a futile effort or not, but I am trying to get them to test SERMs and some OTC products and see what the levels and effectiveness are of both. If they are interested and follow through, Ill through the results up.
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11-30-2008, 11:20 AM #20Gettin' Big Now...
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its reading comprehension like this that makes me wanna kill people.Originally Posted by DFA
am i saying serms dont work? obviously not. am i saying OTC pct DOES work? well yea...and the reason i need to say it over and over and over is every freaking ph/ds thread there are 10 people saying OMG BRAH YOU NEED A SERM!
im tired of sitting back and letting people just repeat what someone said 3 years ago like its gospel.I got no strings to hold me down
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11-30-2008, 11:21 AM #21in10city stalker
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wasn't there cases of delayed gyno after using an OTC PCT for Superdrol cycles?
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11-30-2008, 11:22 AM #22Registered User
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PA and Sldge were always very clear on this topic. SERM could be really useful in PCT but it isnt a must. Also, I dont recover the same with all AI's, there are clearly some difference.
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11-30-2008, 11:24 AM #23Gettin' Big Now...
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people claimed it was from bad superdrol raws...not the pct usedOriginally Posted by Madevilz
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11-30-2008, 11:26 AM #24M^3
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I am pleased with this thread.
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11-30-2008, 11:26 AM #25The Dark Side
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I have been a supporter of OTC pct since I joined this board that was back when you would be negged to hell for suggesting it.
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11-30-2008, 11:27 AM #26Registered User
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for each claim of delayed gyno with OTC there has been an equal or greater amount with 4 week SERM PCT in my research.Originally Posted by Madevilz
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11-30-2008, 11:32 AM #27idiot-savant
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Well, I kinda did have a bad experience with an otc, why I'm hesitant...I don't remember EXACT numbers...I could look them up, but you guys aren't that important, but here's what I remember...
6-week Max LMG/winny w/6-oxo, natty test boosters (Diesel Test) pct...pre 750 post 700ish (didn't shut down much on-cycle, no atrophy)
6-week SD/PP (bridge of a week)w/ ATD (Rebound XT), natty test boosters (Deisel Test) pct...pre 700ish post 300ish...then did PCT extension of with 6-oxo and Fenotest (where I got my love of both products) and libido came back and tested back almost to baseline.
12-week Test E/dbol w/ Nolva, Adex, 700ish pre, 625 post (shut down hard on cycle with def. atrophy...PCT worked beautifully)
8-week var/winny w/ Clomid, 6-oxo, Fenotest pct (my fave pct)..pre 700ish post 720(remember that number lol) (barely shut down tho really, actually gained strength into my PCT...best cycle ever)
these were all done over 2 years ago tho...so I'm skinny now I know...leave me alone. lolLast edited by whiplash77; 11-30-2008 at 11:35 AM.
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11-30-2008, 11:33 AM #28Registered User
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Well,not so difficult concept for sure!Originally Posted by VaughnTrue
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11-30-2008, 11:37 AM #29idiot-savant
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But I don't fall into any of your categories...because I used an OTC to fix what an OTC couldn't...and I preach non-otc's simply for the fact that they have been around/researched for decades instead of just being novel ideas (albeit very interesting/potentially useful ideas)...so can I not vote?
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11-30-2008, 11:41 AM #302011 NPC Eastern USA's
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I have no interest in serms anymore. I found them to be completely pointless other than clomid increases my load size.
I recover best from Adex+HCG. (Adex has to be dosed right, i had to be taught this)
For a 3-4 week cycle, id use an OTC pct any day. I'd actually trust it alot more unless you buy pharma grade tamox which most people dont and buy this research chemical crap.….
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